what a miserable, miserable (frank) you are
- THE BLACK HAND

Dude, why don't you go phuck yourself? Go play with your tonka trucks and jagoff to your Sixers posters! For your info I'm not miserable at all. I tell it like it is! If you can't handle it please remove yourself from these conversations. Adults are talking you ingrate turd.

Its better than having a 3rd liner with a $8M cap hit that can't score goals and is a defensive liability. Cam brings other things to the table, speed, leadership, tenacity for his size. These are important assets to a team.
- jd250

I would love to know the real reason Prorovov is a permanent fixture on the power play despite looking like a deer in headlights out there. Yeo joked about using Braun on the PP last night, but being ranked 31st in the league isn't funny. With results that bad, I don't get why the coaches are afraid to make major changes.

And that delay of game penalty from Provy would have been a bad one for a rookie to take. Luckily for him the other dmen were able to kill off his stupid mistake.
- Feanor

The puck flipped up on edge on Provorov. That happens. I do think he should take a safe option though than trying to shoot it high off the glass.

He is top 15 in the league in assists. That is elite. Voracek is highly skilled. What does Atkinson do that is elite?
- MJL

Jake is one of those players who simply isnt a winner.

Jonathan Huberdeau has 60 assists in 57 games, that is what I would consider elite. Jake is 16th in the league in assists and not even in the top 50 in scoring, so that is not elite by any definition. There is nothing that Cam does that is elite IMO also.
- jd250

There are what over 600+ players in the NHL. So top 20 in assists isn't elite?

Ok, if that is all the Flyers project Frost will be then doesn't it make sense to trade him sooner rather than later, since he's still young and other teams may think he has higher upside?
- jd250

what is your expected return should they trade Frost in the next 2 weeks?

That is very true, they are clearly not any better without Jake. Just look at the PP as an example, look at how the Flyers just pass the puck around aimlessly, assuming they can even get into the zone, and rarely shoot the puck. As an example, consider the play last night where Risto down low on the PP made a perfect pass to Hayes who instead of one timing a shot top shelf in a vacant net decided to collect the pass and look for another pass. The Flyers DO NOT have the talent in their lineup and the 31st ranked PP is the perfect indicator of this. Successful PPs come from the skill level and creativity of the players, it has vey little to do with coaching. Look at the Vegas PP last night where every pass has purpose and each sequence ended in a high danger scoring chance. That is what talent on your roster looks like, and its what the Flyers seriously lack right now.
- jd250

One of the biggest issues the Flyers have on the PP is a successful zone entry. Voracek would help with that.

So the Flyers lack talent and skill. Which is why they can't invest in or remain patient with Frost. It all makes sense now.

He is top 15 in the league in assists. That is elite. Voracek is highly skilled. What does Atkinson do that is elite?
- MJL

Voracek is also 1 of the best in the NHL at offensive entries on the PP; anyone saying our team hasn’t missed his entries are insane. It’s hilarious how many fans have simply ignored his stats

Jake is one of those players who simply isnt a winner.
- hello it's me 2050

His new team is winning more games than his old one.

Dude, why don't you go phuck yourself? Go play with your tonka trucks and jagoff to your Sixers posters! For your info I'm not miserable at all. I tell it like it is! If you can't handle it please remove yourself from these conversations. Adults are talking you ingrate turd.
- Phillywhiteout

This post screams" I'm an adult".

He is top 15 in the league in assists. That is elite. Voracek is highly skilled. What does Atkinson do that is elite?
- MJL

Other than score shorthanded, not much

Anybody else think Vegas was getting away with running the goalie? I dont know how many times Hart was bumped.
- backfire

Big team that goes hard to the net….almost all of their games it’s the same thing. Not sure that Patrick will ever fit into that.

There are what over 600+ players in the NHL. So top 20 in assists isn't elite?
- MJL

Jake currently is 16th in assists, 442nd in goals scored and 71st in points. This to me is not elite by any means.

Voracek is also 1 of the best in the NHL at offensive entries on the PP; anyone saying our team hasn’t missed his entries are insane. It’s hilarious how many fans have simply ignored his stats
- arichardson22

There is actually a stat that shows this?

Jake is one of those players who simply isnt a winner.
- hello it's me 2050

Jakes one of those guys that had the ability to be an all around 200 ft player…he showed it times here. It just wasn’t a total commitment to both ends of the ice consistently. No doubt his skill level was bordering on elite, but the warts to the other parts of his game were maddening at times. I still think in a winning environment on a winning team he would buy in.

This post screams" I'm an adult".

- MJL

One of the biggest issues the Flyers have on the PP is a successful zone entry. Voracek would help with that.

So the Flyers lack talent and skill. Which is why they can't invest in or remain patient with Frost. It all makes sense now.
- MJL

When bobby was here they still had a bad pp.

One of the biggest issues the Flyers have on the PP is a successful zone entry. Voracek would help with that.

So the Flyers lack talent and skill. Which is why they can't invest in or remain patient with Frost. It all makes sense now.
- MJL

Fletcher is going to acquire top end talent. Any day now. It's that easy.

His new team is winning more games than his old one.
- Feanor

The nerd herd over at HF boards still losing their mind over one Morgan Frost? Or how about Ghost?

what is your expected return should they trade Frost in the next 2 weeks?
- hello it's me 2050

I don't know, and I wasn't implying I would trade Frost straight up at the deadline. What I was stating is the Flyers need to decide on Frost soon, maybe they have already, which way they want to go with Frost for the reasons I outlined earlier.

I finally did a Flyers “Mid”season scoring review. Although league scoring is up, it certainly isn’t due to this team’s contributions. With all the injuries, I wondered how much of the team goal slumping was unrelated. Well, by my estimates, the largest negative impacts—about 65%—is due to not having healthy players for much of the time, particularly, Couturier, Hayes, Ellis and Allison. Sadly, JVR and TK underperforming combines for 25% of the deficit. No idea if the missing centers had any effect on them. That other 10% is small and divided in cause. Risto was probably projected to highly and has only received more PP time recently. Farabee’s total could have be influenced by injury. However, I suspect that most of the 10% is related to PP deficiencies.

Some interesting positives in the small sample that were unknown before the season: Brown scores enough for a 12F/13F in the 4C role, Mayhew scores but it’s difficult to see his defined role and where he fits going forward, and I would argue Braun is the year’s best performing defenseman by impact considering preseason expectations. He has played top 4 minutes, has 5 goals with a +2. Atkinson was definitely the biggest offseason addition to goal scoring and has achieved to the expectations.

The nerd herd over at HF boards still losing their mind over one Morgan Frost? Or how about Ghost?
- hello it's me 2050

It’s their bread and butter

I don't know, and I wasn't implying I would trade Frost straight up at the deadline. What I was stating is the Flyers need to decide on Frost soon, maybe they have already, which way they want to go with Frost for the reasons I outlined earlier.
- jd250

He has more value to the flyers than in a trade (now or in the summer) imo. Better off holding on even if he is a total bust unless a team makes an offer you cant turn down.

They don't need to decide soon. Right now he is a non factor and you do not count on him being in the lineup at this point imo. Let it play out and see what happens.

I’ve stated my point about cam and Jake trade but I think looking at Jakes stats this year, you really need to factor in he’s playing with one of the best shooters in the game. We don’t have that here. Maybe he’s top 35 in assists here rather than top 15 there.

One of the biggest issues the Flyers have on the PP is a successful zone entry. Voracek would help with that.

So the Flyers lack talent and skill. Which is why they can't invest in or remain patient with Frost. It all makes sense now.
- MJL

Is Frost elite talent? It appears, by other's accounts, he has the skill set but what does it matter if he doesn't demonstrate that skill set? I actually liked Frost on the half wall on the PP, specifically his patience and puck retrievals, but those attributes alone did not create more PP goals. I didn't see Frost one timing lasers top shelf by any means, in fact I don't recall him shooting the puck at all on the PP. So yes you need players on the PP that are patient and good at puck retrieval, but you also need more than this. Look at Jack Eichel last night, he demonstrated patience and good puck retrieval on the half wall, but he can also score goals at an elite level. That is the difference. Who on the Flyers now or in the system have the skills of Jack Eichel or even Mark Stone or Max Pacioretty?