He has more value to the flyers than in a trade (now or in the summer) imo. Better off holding on even if he is a total bust unless a team makes an offer you cant turn down.

They don't need to decide soon. Right now he is a non factor and you do not count on him being in the lineup at this point imo. Let it play out and see what happens.
- hello it's me 2050

if they could just give the kid a plan and stick with it as well. Stop and the back and forth up and down.

He has more value to the flyers than in a trade (now or in the summer) imo. Better off holding on even if he is a total bust unless a team makes an offer you cant turn down.

They don't need to decide soon. Right now he is a non factor and you do not count on him being in the lineup at this point imo. Let it play out and see what happens.
- hello it's me 2050

Ok, that is a fair perspective. But the downside is if Frost does turn out to be a bust, you lost the chance to trade him for a player that is not a bust and you wasted a lot of development time and resources.

Carter Hart.

Ok, that is a fair perspective. But the downside is if Frost does turn out to be a bust, you lost the chance to trade him for a player that is not a bust and you wasted a lot of development time and resources.
- jd250

how do you know you trade him for a player that isn't a bust?

You didn't waste development. Poor way to look at it. So every drafted player that doesn't pan out, it was wasted development?

Carter Hart.
- Scoob

fcs

how do you know you trade him for a player that isn't a bust?

You didn't waste development. Poor way to look at it. So every drafted player that doesn't pan out, it was wasted development?
- hello it's me 2050

What I am saying is the GM and his staff have to decide whether to stick with a player or cut bait and once they decide they need to act immediately. I gave examples of this with Farabee and Patrick, and both so far look like the right decisions. The Flyers didn't see Patrick's development all the way through, nor did they need to see that much from Farabee to know he was worth the investment. Fletcher and his staff need to decide what Frost's value is and how to best maximize that value. This can be in further patience and development or it can be to trade him in the off season.

Jake currently is 16th in assists, 442nd in goals scored and 71st in points. This to me is not elite by any means.
- jd250

I didn't state that he was elite overall. I stated that he was an elite playmaker. Reading comprehension issue.

What I am saying is the GM and his staff have to decide whether to stick with a player or cut bait and once they decide they need to act immediately. I gave examples of this with Farabee and Patrick, and both so far look like the right decisions. The Flyers didn't see Patrick's development all the way through, nor did they need to see that much from Farabee to know he was worth the investment. Fletcher and his staff need to decide what Frost's value is and how to best maximize that value. This can be in further patience and development or it can be to trade him in the off season.
- jd250

I agree with that.

In Patricks case there is much more to it than what your saying imo.

I’ve stated my point about cam and Jake trade but I think looking at Jakes stats this year, you really need to factor in he’s playing with one of the best shooters in the game. We don’t have that here. Maybe he’s top 35 in assists here rather than top 15 there.
- ClaudeFather

When was the last time the Flyers had an elite goal scorer? Yet Voracek here put up quality assist numbers. He's top 5 in franchise history in assists.

Is Frost elite talent? It appears, by other's accounts, he has the skill set but what does it matter if he doesn't demonstrate that skill set? I actually liked Frost on the half wall on the PP, specifically his patience and puck retrievals, but those attributes alone did not create more PP goals. I didn't see Frost one timing lasers top shelf by any means, in fact I don't recall him shooting the puck at all on the PP. So yes you need players on the PP that are patient and good at puck retrieval, but you also need more than this. Look at Jack Eichel last night, he demonstrated patience and good puck retrieval on the half wall, but he can also score goals at an elite level. That is the difference. Who on the Flyers now or in the system have the skills of Jack Eichel or even Mark Stone or Max Pacioretty?
- jd250

So now you're comparing Frost to Jack Eichel. It just gets more comical with every post you make. The Flyers don't need to rush nor is there any urgency in figuring out what they have in Frost. Your statement stating that is the case is absurd.
Since the Flyers don't have that level of skill, shouldn't they remain patient with the skilled players that they have and try to develop them?

Bill Meltzer: Wrap: Flyers Hold Off Vegas, 2-1; Phantoms Blanked in Hershey
- bmeltzer

Streaking!!!

Ok, that is a fair perspective. But the downside is if Frost does turn out to be a bust, you lost the chance to trade him for a player that is not a bust and you wasted a lot of development time and resources.
- jd250

That would likely sink the franchise with the team on the cusp of a Stanley Cup.

I didn't state that he was elite overall. I stated that he was an elite playmaker. Reading comprehension issue.
- MJL

I understand what you are saying but as usual I don't agree with you that Jake is an elite play maker. 16th in the league in assists is nice, but its not elite. Jonathan Huberdeau is an elite play maker.

When was the last time the Flyers had an elite goal scorer? Yet Voracek here put up quality assist numbers. He's top 5 in franchise history in assists.
- MJL

Flyers version of Bobby Abreau.

Ended up w York and Brink for the 11 pick. York appears to have serious top 4 puck moving potential and Brink is arguably the best forward in college hockey this year who might be in orange and black next year if not this spring.

The jury is still out on if they did the right thing there, but their choices in that draft seem like the least of our worries.
- Joe Nardone

Brink will need sime time in the ahl to work on the defensive aspects of his game. Cant have players not willing to play a 200ft game

So now you're comparing Frost to Jack Eichel. It just gets more comical with every post you make. The Flyers don't need to rush nor is there any urgency in figuring out what they have in Frost. Your statement stating that is the case is absurd.
Since the Flyers don't have that level of skill, shouldn't they remain patient with the skilled players that they have and try to develop them?
- MJL

Not when you remove all the skill they have from their game.

What I am saying is the GM and his staff have to decide whether to stick with a player or cut bait and once they decide they need to act immediately. I gave examples of this with Farabee and Patrick, and both so far look like the right decisions. The Flyers didn't see Patrick's development all the way through, nor did they need to see that much from Farabee to know he was worth the investment. Fletcher and his staff need to decide what Frost's value is and how to best maximize that value. This can be in further patience and development or it can be to trade him in the off season.
- jd250

More comedy. Patrick played 197 games as a Flyer. Frost has played 52.

So now you're comparing Frost to Jack Eichel. It just gets more comical with every post you make. The Flyers don't need to rush nor is there any urgency in figuring out what they have in Frost. Your statement stating that is the case is absurd.
Since the Flyers don't have that level of skill, shouldn't they remain patient with the skilled players that they have and try to develop them?
- MJL

Why not compare the two? If Frost does not have a ceiling at least close to Eichel, why bother with him? The Flyers have a plethora of players that are not close to a Jack Eichel or even a Max Pacioretty. THAT IS THE PROBLEM! I would rather trade players like Frost, IF its determined he is not going to be a top end talent, and try to get players who are.

I understand what you are saying but as usual I don't agree with you that Jake is an elite play maker. 16th in the league in assists is nice, but its not elite. Jonathan Huberdeau is an elite play maker.
- jd250

Huberdeau is at the top of the elite. Again, over 600+ NHL players. Voracek is 16th.

Why not compare the two? If Frost does not have a ceiling at least close to Eichel, why bother with him?
- jd250

Honestly, I'm blown away by the foolishness of this statement.

So Frost is not elite or close to being elite. So lets trade him to get a player who is. Got it.

More comedy. Patrick played 197 games as a Flyer. Frost has played 52.
- MJL

Yes because Patrick, unlike Frost, played right away in the NHL whereas Frost has played most of this games in the AHL. Elite talent makes the NHL and quickly shows their impact, especially at forward. My point with Patrick was to say the Flyers cut bait with him, they didn't see his development all the way through.

Huberdeau is at the top of the elite. Again, over 600+ NHL players. Voracek is 16th.
- MJL

Yes, 16th playing with one of the best pure snipers in the game. How many assists would he have on the Flyers right now if not traded?

Yes because Patrick, unlike Frost, played right away in the NHL whereas Frost has played most of this games in the AHL. Elite talent makes the NHL and quickly shows their impact, especially at forward. My point with Patrick was to say the Flyers cut bait with him, they didn't see his development all the way through.
- jd250

Hysterical. Not every player makes the NHL right away, Claude Giroux didn't make the NHL right away. One of the players you mentioned in Mark Stone played two years in the AHL. I could go on and on and believe me, I know I'm completely wasting my time but I find it very entertaining.

Yes, 16th playing with one of the best pure snipers in the game. How many assists would he have on the Flyers right now if not traded?
- jd250

The overwhelming majority of top assist players play with really good players. How many assists he would have here is speculation.

Why not compare the two? If Frost does not have a ceiling at least close to Eichel, why bother with him? The Flyers have a plethora of players that are not close to a Jack Eichel or even a Max Pacioretty. THAT IS THE PROBLEM! I would rather trade players like Frost, IF its determined he is not going to be a top end talent, and try to get players who are.
- jd250

that is beyond laughable