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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 9 @ 12:25 PM ET
Anyone else keep have the page close on them for “repeated errors”? Fix your damn site Ek
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 9 @ 12:27 PM ET
He's been an elite playmaker and transition player for most of his career, all the way up to the present day.

If he's that good at something, who the (frank) cares about his defense? Are you a Flyers 200 foot Senior Advisor, lol?

- Tomahawk

Jake never possessed the consistency to be considered elite in my mind. Elite players don’t go through funks the way he always does.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Mar 9 @ 12:30 PM ET
MacEwen is the most AHL forward of any forward on the roster.

Mayhew 6 points in 21 games
Brown 6 points in 27 games

MacEwen 5 points in 54 games

- Feanor


MacEwan role is not to score points, he is a bash brother. Maybe if he didn't play with AHL players on his line for 2 months he would have more points.

How many of Mayhews points were scored while he has been on the 4th line? Mayhew has done nothing since Feb 21st, he scored 3 goals in February(2 in one Game) and scored 3 in January. Saying he is a contributing player is like saying Kubel is contributing player for Colorado.

Brown scores 1 goal and gets an assist a month, how wonderful.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 9 @ 12:45 PM ET
Was anyone else baffled that Simmonds got to 1,000 games before G? Think it might have been a difference of 1 draft but just thought G played more. Probably because G was always a Flyer but I found it interesting. Two guys that have been healthy for majority of their careers.
Robert's Plant
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.23.2021

Mar 9 @ 1:10 PM ET
Anyone else keep have the page close on them for “repeated errors”? Fix your damn site Ek
- hereticpride


Using duck duck go. Sometimes this site causes my browser to hang up. Other times, when I click on a page number or Next, it takes me to an advertisement. Seems kinda shady to me; getting advertisement clicks unethically.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Mar 9 @ 1:11 PM ET
16th out of 953 players. That's top 1.6%. Pretty (frank)ing elite lol.
- Tomahawk

But he plays with better players on CLB!!!!!
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 9 @ 1:12 PM ET
Using duck duck go. Sometimes this site causes my browser to hang up. Other times, when I click on a page number or Next, it takes me to an advertisement. Seems kinda shady to me; getting advertisement clicks unethically.
- Robert's Plant


DDG doesn't adblock?
Robert's Plant
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.23.2021

Mar 9 @ 1:15 PM ET
DDG doesn't adblock?
- Tomahawk


Let me correct myself. DDG on mobile, Chrome on laptop. Above problems on Chrome.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 9 @ 1:16 PM ET
In the cases you mention, Stone, G, etc. those players showed promise of being impact players in the NHL, has Frost? He can't even do it consistently at the AHL level, nor could be even be the best player on his line in the NHL playing with two AHL players. You're right about one thing, this is hysterical!
- jd250


Each time I reply pointing out why what you said doesn't make sense or is simply false, you then move the goal posts. I remember when Lindblom was nothing but a 4th liner. You were on the fence about Farabee. On and on. Have you ever been right about anything?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 9 @ 1:17 PM ET
Using duck duck go. Sometimes this site causes my browser to hang up. Other times, when I click on a page number or Next, it takes me to an advertisement. Seems kinda shady to me; getting advertisement clicks unethically.
- Robert's Plant


I think it's because of the ads at the bottom of the page - their sizing isn't always right and sometimes you end up nicking one instead of hitting the next page number.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Mar 9 @ 1:20 PM ET
Hate to break it to you, but this team is a lot worse than they were last season lol.
- Tomahawk

I hate the ad homonym arguments. The point is that they traded two puck skilled/ possesion players (Jake and Ghost) because they clashed with AV and his style....With the across the board improvemnet in the numbers of Sanheim and Lindblom, since AV was canned, its beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was the major issue leading to the root of managements ability to properly assess player talent and maximization of that talent.
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Mar 9 @ 1:20 PM ET
This has nothing to do with the trade, but instead has to do with where Fletcher focus your efforts to retool this roster. Cam is top 6 this year, maybe even next year, but as he gets older you have to project he will no longer be a top 6 forward, so at that point you project where he will play in the lineup and thus what you need to have to replace him. IMO the Cam trade was a good one because I see him being a useful player now and in the next 3 seasons, just not as a top 6 forward throughout. BTW, the same is true IMO with Jake also.
- jd250


Have to respond to you because I've banned the other guy. My kingdom for a block button.
So, JVR on the 3rd line in Toronto puts up 37. JVR at 7 mil is stapled to the 3rd line with pp time.
Cam leads the team in even strength points, leads in goals.
Plays PP AND PK. Could be a VERY productive 3rd line player. This of course only happens if ANYONE can bump him down. Not happening any time soon.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 9 @ 1:24 PM ET
Let me correct myself. DDG on mobile, Chrome on laptop. Above problems on Chrome.
- Robert's Plant


Try Brave browser. It's basically Chrome but respects your privacy (and murders ads).
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Mar 9 @ 1:29 PM ET
Let me correct myself. DDG on mobile, Chrome on laptop. Above problems on Chrome.
- Robert's Plant


I use Chrome w/ adblock for this site. Never have had any problems.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Mar 9 @ 1:31 PM ET
MacEwan role is not to score points, he is a bash brother. Maybe if he didn't play with AHL players on his line for 2 months he would have more points.

How many of Mayhews points were scored while he has been on the 4th line? Mayhew has done nothing since Feb 21st, he scored 3 goals in February(2 in one Game) and scored 3 in January. Saying he is a contributing player is like saying Kubel is contributing player for Colorado.

Brown scores 1 goal and gets an assist a month, how wonderful.

- WhiskeyMan


Im not getting any of this logic?

Macewan has less points playing more games because he played with AHL players yet the two players you consider AHL players are out performing Macewan. Brown and Mayhew have 6 points over 21/27 games. That half of Macewan. They are on pace to have 12 points by the time they match Macewen in Games played.

If you look at the Avalanche who are 1st place their 4th line is producing 7/14/15 points. Their pace is slightly higher than Mayhew and Brown but significantly higher than Macewen

Mayhew scored 3 goals in February? So what? Flyers played 8 games in February. Thats 2-3 games short of half his season. That means his other 3 goals were scored over the course of 13 games.

Macewen is a guy who hustles and plays hard but he has the offensive ability of an AHL player.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 9 @ 1:31 PM ET
Have to respond to you because I've banned the other guy. My kingdom for a block button.
So, JVR on the 3rd line in Toronto puts up 37. JVR at 7 mil is stapled to the 3rd line with pp time.
Cam leads the team in even strength points, leads in goals.
Plays PP AND PK. Could be a VERY productive 3rd line player. This of course only happens if ANYONE can bump him down. Not happening any time soon.

- jaws1955


The conversation wasn't about if Atkinson could be a very productive 3rd line player.
Robert's Plant
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.23.2021

Mar 9 @ 1:36 PM ET
Try Brave browser. It's basically Chrome but respects your privacy (and murders ads).
- Tomahawk


I have Brave on my mobile, but never use it. I just installed it on my laptop, so far so good. Thanks


jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 9 @ 1:37 PM ET
Each time I reply pointing out why what you said doesn't make sense or is simply false, you then move the goal posts. I remember when Lindblom was nothing but a 4th liner. You were on the fence about Farabee. On and on. Have you ever been right about anything?
- MJL

At the time I made the comment about Lindblom he was playing like nothing more than just another 4th liner. He has played better of late, but he is not now or has ever been a top 6 option for this team. That's the problem with this team, players with the limited skillset of Lindblom are currently playing much higher in the lineup than they should be. In the case of Farabee, I had seen 1/2 an NHL season from him, one where he I think went about 15 games without a goal, so I rightly wanted to see more from him before I could say definitively what I thought his ceiling was. As it is, he is a good player, but he certainly not top-end talent and not a top line player for this team.

So as you typically do because your Papa Hextall drafted them, you completely over value players. I am right about most things actually, and the facts prove that. I was the first post Patrick was a bust, and your lambasted me for it. I was the first to say what Fletcher would do this past off season and it happened almost exactly as I said it would, even nailed it on getting Ellis and trading Jake when you said no way either would happen. So LEARN FROM ME GRASSHOPPER ... LEARN!!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 9 @ 1:42 PM ET
Have to respond to you because I've banned the other guy. My kingdom for a block button.
So, JVR on the 3rd line in Toronto puts up 37. JVR at 7 mil is stapled to the 3rd line with pp time.
Cam leads the team in even strength points, leads in goals.
Plays PP AND PK. Could be a VERY productive 3rd line player. This of course only happens if ANYONE can bump him down. Not happening any time soon.

- jaws1955

Right now he is a top 6 forward no one questions that. What I had mentioned was where does he project a few seasons from now? Its important if you are Fletcher to think about this and make sure he has players in the pipeline when this happens. Not this year obviously. Maybe not even next year. But the final two years of Cam's deal he will mostly likely be a solid 3rd line player, similar to what Scott Laughton is now with better finishing capability.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 9 @ 1:42 PM ET
At the time I made the comment about Lindblom he was playing like nothing more than just another 4th liner. He has played better of late, but he is not now or has ever been a top 6 option for this team. That's the problem with this team, players with the limited skillset of Lindblom are currently playing much higher in the lineup than they should be. In the case of Farabee, I had seen 1/2 an NHL season from him, one where he I think went about 15 games without a goal, so I rightly wanted to see more from him before I could say definitively what I thought his ceiling was. As it is, he is a good player, but he certainly not top-end talent and not a top line player for this team.


- jd250


Lindblom is ideally a 3rd line winger on a top team. Doesn't change that he's better and has shown he can be better than the 4th liner you said he was. Same with Farabee. Same with your assessment of Ristolainen and numerous other players. All points to an inability to accurately assess a player.



So as you typically do because your Papa Hextall drafted them, you completely over value players. I am right about most things actually, and the facts prove that. I was the first post Patrick was a bust, and your lambasted me for it. I was the first to say what Fletcher would do this past off season and it happened almost exactly as I said it would, even nailed it on getting Ellis and trading Jake when you said no way either would happen. So LEARN FROM ME GRASSHOPPER ... LEARN!!

- jd250


Pure fantasy.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 9 @ 1:53 PM ET
Right now he is a top 6 forward no one questions that. What I had mentioned was where does he project a few seasons from now? Its important if you are Fletcher to think about this and make sure he has players in the pipeline when this happens. Not this year obviously. Maybe not even next year. But the final two years of Cam's deal he will mostly likely be a solid 3rd line player, similar to what Scott Laughton is now with better finishing capability.
- jd250

Just like Jake and Giroux got pushed down right? All this elite talent in the pipeline.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Mar 9 @ 1:54 PM ET
Im not getting any of this logic?

Macewan has less points playing more games because he played with AHL players yet the two players you consider AHL players are out performing Macewan. Brown and Mayhew have 6 points over 21/27 games. That half of Macewan. They are on pace to have 12 points by the time they match Macewen in Games played.

If you look at the Avalanche who are 1st place their 4th line is producing 7/14/15 points. Their pace is slightly higher than Mayhew and Brown but significantly higher than Macewen

Mayhew scored 3 goals in February? So what? Flyers played 8 games in February. Thats 2-3 games short of half his season. That means his other 3 goals were scored over the course of 13 games.

MacEwen is a guy who hustles and plays hard but he has the offensive ability of an AHL player.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Mayhew is a 29 year old AHL over achiever, would have never been called up except for injury. He has had some luck here and there but really should not be in the line up unless needed.

MacEwen is basically the goon of the squad, hence why he is on the fourth line player.

2 different players playing 2 different roles.

So you say sit MacEwen when Thompson is ready to play, I think you are wrong.

Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 9 @ 1:54 PM ET
I have Brave on my mobile, but never use it. I just installed it on my laptop, so far so good. Thanks
- Robert's Plant


Glad I could help good sir
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 9 @ 1:59 PM ET
At the time I made the comment about Lindblom he was playing like nothing more than just another 4th liner. He has played better of late, but he is not now or has ever been a top 6 option for this team. That's the problem with this team, players with the limited skillset of Lindblom are currently playing much higher in the lineup than they should be. In the case of Farabee, I had seen 1/2 an NHL season from him, one where he I think went about 15 games without a goal, so I rightly wanted to see more from him before I could say definitively what I thought his ceiling was. As it is, he is a good player, but he certainly not top-end talent and not a top line player for this team.

So as you typically do because your Papa Hextall drafted them, you completely over value players. I am right about most things actually, and the facts prove that. I was the first post Patrick was a bust, and your lambasted me for it. I was the first to say what Fletcher would do this past off season and it happened almost exactly as I said it would, even nailed it on getting Ellis and trading Jake when you said no way either would happen. So LEARN FROM ME GRASSHOPPER ... LEARN!!

- jd250


Lindblom wasnt a top-6 option when he was tearing it up with Coots and TK? That line was flat out dominant.

And you definitely weren't the first person here pooing on NP... because I'm pretty sure that was me. (Or maybe it could have been plind bc he poops on literally everything )
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 9 @ 2:24 PM ET
Using duck duck go. Sometimes this site causes my browser to hang up. Other times, when I click on a page number or Next, it takes me to an advertisement. Seems kinda shady to me; getting advertisement clicks unethically.
- Robert's Plant

Ek has been doing that for years unfortunately. It always magically starts happening around the trade deadline and draft.
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