And your OPINION as well. See how that works?
- MBFlyerfan

ok big brother. . No it is a fact. No an opinion.

I have to disagree somewhat here. I feel like that has been his main issue in the playoffs the last few runs. Moving him to wing has helped in that area, but IMO he has trouble playing against bigger skilled players. Its a matter of physics. He tends to be neutralized and that stats bear that out. The problem is exacerbated because no one else steps up.
- MBFlyerfan

I don't think you can look at playoff stats and say that it points automatically that it is an issue against bigger skilled players. He's played almost a thousand games in the NHL where the majority of players are bigger and stronger than he is. I think it's a fair criticism to say that he hasn't produced well enough in the last 3 playoff seasons. It happens to even better players than Giroux. What's difficult to overcome is when you have a flawed team and are the focal point of the opposition. Having to play head to head against the best

Ummmmmmm, no. It's just the basic fact that there is more physicality on the ice and it's more contested come playoff time.
- Phillywhiteout

The level of competition and intensity increases. Did Giroux have the same physical issue earlier in his career in the playoffs?

bump.

This is like the 3rd comment along this line. It was completely expected. The organization is incompetent and this is just further proof of that. The GM knows his ass is on the line and with the injury issues with Ellis. Braun likely being gone. If Ristolainen is traded that leaves a potential grand canyon hole on the right side of the defense. That situation could cost him his job so he makes this decision. This is just more of what you get when you put the team in the position it is in. It's forced to make moves rather than being in a position to make the right moves at the right times.
- MJL

This is so on point.

I don't think you can look at playoff stats and say that it points automatically that it is an issue against bigger skilled players. He's played almost a thousand games in the NHL where the majority of players are bigger and stronger than he is. I think it's a fair criticism to say that he hasn't produced well enough in the last 3 playoff seasons. It happens to even better players than Giroux. What's difficult to overcome is when you have a flawed team and are the focal point of the opposition. Having to play head to head against the best
- MJL

But again, not all of them are as skilled. In the playoffs he is usually playing against players who are just as skilled and bigger. And as I said, not enough skill behind him to pick up the slack or take some of the pressure off of him.

The level of competition and intensity increases. Did Giroux have the same physical issue earlier in his career in the playoffs?
- MJL

Yes, once he became the #1 center he did. He excelled in 2010 as the third line center and he excelled in that one playoff series against the Pens. Since that 2012 playoff series against the Pens I'm guessing his playoff stats have been pretty paltry.

The level of competition and intensity increases. Did Giroux have the same physical issue earlier in his career in the playoffs?
- MJL

Did he have Mike Richards, Danny Briere, or Jeff Carter taking some attention away from him? I think that answers your question.

But again, not all of them are as skilled. In the playoffs he is usually playing against players who are just as skilled and bigger. And as I said, not enough skill behind him to pick up the slack or take some of the pressure off of him.
- MBFlyerfan

I would say that obviously there are differences in levels of skill but all players in the NHL are skilled. I don't believe that the issue with his most recent playoff production is because he can't match up physically.

Yes, once he became the #1 center he did. He excelled in 2010 as the third line center and he excelled in that one playoff series against the Pens. Since that 2012 playoff series against the Pens I'm guessing his playoff stats have been pretty paltry.
- Phillywhiteout

Nice try but a swing and a miss. Giroux was the #1 center in 11/12 when he had 17 points in 10 playoff games and again in 13/14 when he had 6 points in 7 games.

Did he have Mike Richards, Danny Briere, or Jeff Carter taking some attention away from him? I think that answers your question.
- MBFlyerfan

That actually makes my point.

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Nice try but a swing and a miss. Giroux was the #1 center in 11/12 when he had 17 points in 10 playoff games and again in 13/14 when he had 6 points in 7 games.
- MJL

No, not a swing and a miss. I mentioned that he did well in that Pens series cause they played no defense. How many points did he have in the 5 game series against Jersey that year? Just look at when the Flyers have had post season success. In 2010 they had Richards and Carter as their top two centers. In the mid 1990s they had Lindros/Brindy/ Joel Otto as their big centers down the middle. Kind of weird that the Flyers got away from that the past 10 years.

No, not a swing and a miss. I mentioned that he did well in that Pens series cause they played no defense. How many points did he have in the 5 game series against Jersey that year? Just look at when the Flyers have had post season success. In 2010 they had Richards and Carter as their top two centers. In the mid 1990s they had Lindros/Brindy/ Joel Otto as their big centers down the middle. kind of weird that the Flyers got away from that the past 10 years.
- Phillywhiteout

You're making an excuse and trying to minimize playoff production by placing a narrative that no defense was played. In 2010, Giroux was in his first full season in the NHL

Laine gliding around like an idiot.
- MJL

I think us at hockeybuzz.com should teach these pro hockey players how to play hockey.

Did he have Mike Richards, Danny Briere, or Jeff Carter taking some attention away from him? I think that answers your question.
- MBFlyerfan

Giroux was better than all 3 players.

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- konalover711

You’re a day late.

No, not a swing and a miss. I mentioned that he did well in that Pens series cause they played no defense. How many points did he have in the 5 game series against Jersey that year? Just look at when the Flyers have had post season success. In 2010 they had Richards and Carter as their top two centers. In the mid 1990s they had Lindros/Brindy/ Joel Otto as their big centers down the middle. Kind of weird that the Flyers got away from that the past 10 years.
- Phillywhiteout

2010 we got extremely lucky on the last day winning a carnival contest.
If we didn't make the ball in the clowns mouth, 2010 was the beginning of maybe something good or something bad.
Can't predict whether Prongers injury happens if they didn't make it into playoffs.

You’re a day late.
- SuperSchennBros

*edit preparing I know it will be a dead horse topic
well into 2025

2010 we got extremely lucky on the last day winning a carnival contest.
If we didn't make the ball in the clowns mouth, 2010 was the beginning of maybe something good or something bad.
Can't predict whether Prongers injury happens if they didn't make it into playoffs.
- konalover711

I think we got incredibly unlucky early that season with a slow start and losing Ray Emery for the remainder of the season with a career threatening injury. I think we got justice by the last game and showed how good we really were in the playoffs.

Lack of talent and coaching have been the issues. Not Giroux's leadership.




You seem to lack the understanding that a players individual play on the ice, is leadership. It is leadership and leading by example. It is far more important than any behind the scenes leadership could possibly be. As the team captain, what more could you ask for than to have a player go out for over a decade, for almost a 1000 games and be generally the teams best player or among their best players game after game after game? On generally crappy to average teams?
The issue is that many, including yourself don't know what leadership is. People hear scuttlebutt and hearsay information about Giroux's personality. About how he's not a rah-rah in your face kind of leader and place blame on him for the overall team deficiencies. Fall back on clichés, which is the best you can do to make your case. While ignoring how he has carried the team on his back in the past. The team has been dysfunctional due to lack of talent, injuries, poor coaching and poor team building. It's a shame Giroux has not had a high enough level of super powers to overcome all of that all of the time.
- MJL

But you lack the understanding that the captain sets the zone, on and OFF the ice! How can you in one breath say this team has had poor coaching and in a previous breath state Hakstol was a good coach?? Coaching IMO is completely overrated, especially at the professional level, simply because the players are not afraid of the coach. Think Herb Brooks in that famous scene in miracle where he kept his team on the ice after a game and made them do suicides again, and again! This does not and cannot happen at the professional level, that is why Herb Brooks was not successful in the NHL. When I played HS it was different, we surely were afraid of our coach who in retrospect was downright abusive, but we feared our captain more, much more. If we didn't practice hard or were not prepared we would hear it. If we didn't skate hard enough on a shift during the game, in between periods we would be called out. That is what sets the tone! The captain leads the way. That does not mean others on the team cannot pick up the mantle and carry it further, but it starts with the captain. This team has wallowed in mediocrity for the past decade, and the last two season have been well below that. We have seen all the poor starts, the lack of playing 60 minutes, the dumb penalties, the break downs at end of games, not just this year but for the past several years. This is beyond one coach or one GM in fact. The one constant: Claude Giroux. I love him as a player, but he is not a good captain and even if he stays with the team, he needs to give up the 'C'!

But you lack the understanding that the captain sets the zone, on and OFF the ice! How can you in one breath say this team has had poor coaching and in a previous breath state Hakstol was a good coach?? Coaching IMO is completely overrated, especially at the professional level, simply because the players are not afraid of the coach. Think Herb Brooks in that famous scene in miracle where he kept his team on the ice after a game and made them do suicides again, and again! This does not and cannot happen at the professional level, that is why Herb Brooks was not successful in the NHL. When I played HS it was different, we surely were afraid of our coach who in retrospect was downright abusive, but we feared our captain more, much more. If we didn't practice hard or were not prepared we would hear it. If we didn't skate hard enough on a shift during the game, in between periods we would be called out. That is what sets the tone! The captain leads the way. That does not mean others on the team cannot pick up the mantle and carry it further, but it starts with the captain. This team has wallowed in mediocrity for the past decade, and the last two season have been well below that. We have seen all the poor starts, the lack of playing 60 minutes, the dumb penalties, the break downs at end of games, not just this year but for the past several years. This is beyond one coach or one GM in fact. The one constant: Claude Giroux. I love him as a player, but he is not a good captain and even if he stays with the team, he needs to give up the 'C'!
- jd250

St Sebastion?

I think we got incredibly unlucky early that season with a slow start and losing Ray Emery for the remainder of the season with a career threatening injury. I think we got justice by the last game and showed how good we really were in the playoffs.
- SuperSchennBros

Agreed. That was actually a very talented team that was underperforming most of the year and then they felt invincible after that comeback against the Bruins. The only thing that was going to beat them at that point was faulty goalie play. If Emery would have stayed healthy the odds are very good that they would have brought home the silver chalice.

Agreed. That was actually a very talented team that was underperforming most of the year and then they felt invincible after that comeback against the Bruins. The only thing that was going to beat them at that point was faulty goalie play. If Emery would have stayed healthy the odds are very good that they would have brought home the silver chalice.
- Phillywhiteout

If emery was healthy the whole year the standings and playoff seeding's would have been totally different. Who knows who they would have end up playing.

Now if you had emery just for that cup finals yes they win it imo as well.

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- konalover711

welcome to yesterday

*YES POST #666 WOOOOOOOOOOO*

But you lack the understanding that the captain sets the zone, on and OFF the ice! How can you in one breath say this team has had poor coaching and in a previous breath state Hakstol was a good coach?? Coaching IMO is completely overrated, especially at the professional level, simply because the players are not afraid of the coach. Think Herb Brooks in that famous scene in miracle where he kept his team on the ice after a game and made them do suicides again, and again! This does not and cannot happen at the professional level, that is why Herb Brooks was not successful in the NHL. When I played HS it was different, we surely were afraid of our coach who in retrospect was downright abusive, but we feared our captain more, much more. If we didn't practice hard or were not prepared we would hear it. If we didn't skate hard enough on a shift during the game, in between periods we would be called out. That is what sets the tone! The captain leads the way. That does not mean others on the team cannot pick up the mantle and carry it further, but it starts with the captain. This team has wallowed in mediocrity for the past decade, and the last two season have been well below that. We have seen all the poor starts, the lack of playing 60 minutes, the dumb penalties, the break downs at end of games, not just this year but for the past several years. This is beyond one coach or one GM in fact. The one constant: Claude Giroux. I love him as a player, but he is not a good captain and even if he stays with the team, he needs to give up the 'C'!
- jd250