But you lack the understanding that the captain sets the zone, on and OFF the ice! How can you in one breath say this team has had poor coaching and in a previous breath state Hakstol was a good coach?? Coaching IMO is completely overrated, especially at the professional level, simply because the players are not afraid of the coach. Think Herb Brooks in that famous scene in miracle where he kept his team on the ice after a game and made them do suicides again, and again! This does not and cannot happen at the professional level, that is why Herb Brooks was not successful in the NHL. When I played HS it was different, we surely were afraid of our coach who in retrospect was downright abusive, but we feared our captain more, much more. If we didn't practice hard or were not prepared we would hear it. If we didn't skate hard enough on a shift during the game, in between periods we would be called out. That is what sets the tone! The captain leads the way. That does not mean others on the team cannot pick up the mantle and carry it further, but it starts with the captain. This team has wallowed in mediocrity for the past decade, and the last two season have been well below that. We have seen all the poor starts, the lack of playing 60 minutes, the dumb penalties, the break downs at end of games, not just this year but for the past several years. This is beyond one coach or one GM in fact. The one constant: Claude Giroux. I love him as a player, but he is not a good captain and even if he stays with the team, he needs to give up the 'C'!
- jd250

Youre a fraud

So were so embarrassingly exposed on multiple topics surrounding RR and Fletcher that were addressed by Charlie O Connor that you are moving on to another topic to embarrass yourself on without any acknowledgement

But you lack the understanding that the captain sets the zone, on and OFF the ice! How can you in one breath say this team has had poor coaching and in a previous breath state Hakstol was a good coach?? Coaching IMO is completely overrated, especially at the professional level, simply because the players are not afraid of the coach. Think Herb Brooks in that famous scene in miracle where he kept his team on the ice after a game and made them do suicides again, and again! This does not and cannot happen at the professional level, that is why Herb Brooks was not successful in the NHL. When I played HS it was different, we surely were afraid of our coach who in retrospect was downright abusive, but we feared our captain more, much more. If we didn't practice hard or were not prepared we would hear it. If we didn't skate hard enough on a shift during the game, in between periods we would be called out. That is what sets the tone! The captain leads the way. That does not mean others on the team cannot pick up the mantle and carry it further, but it starts with the captain. This team has wallowed in mediocrity for the past decade, and the last two season have been well below that. We have seen all the poor starts, the lack of playing 60 minutes, the dumb penalties, the break downs at end of games, not just this year but for the past several years. This is beyond one coach or one GM in fact. The one constant: Claude Giroux. I love him as a player, but he is not a good captain and even if he stays with the team, he needs to give up the 'C'!
- jd250

You lack reading comprehension. The poster talked about recent seasons. Those are the seasons under Vigneault and Yeo. What I said was that Hakstol did a better job than both Vigneault and Yeo. Stating that coaching is overrated is just another dumb statement. We see the effects of both good and bad coaching all over hockey.
What sets the tone is play on the ice. You don't even have the logic to know that being called out AFTER a period is played, is not setting a tone. It's reacting to bad play.
You and others just can't seem to identify that there are more constants than Claude Giroux. The one constant and overall team factor that has been present for the majority of Giroux's career is that the team around him has just not been good enough. Has not been quality. When you look at Giroux's career and what he has accomplished as a player, it's pretty amazing. Despite all the road blocks. Blaming the lack of team success on Giroux as a captain is not only lacking a hockey foundation. It's lacking simple common sense.

A bunch of guys who basically only watch games on television (probably with their phone or iPad in hand distracting them) and have never once been in the presence of Giroux, let alone been in the locker room, on the bench during games, on the ice during games, or at practices, claiming to know anything about the situation.

Thanks for the laughs this morning boys.

PS: if you use the nickname CC I completely dismiss everything and anything you blather on about

A bunch of guys who basically only watch games on television (probably with their phone or iPad in hand distracting them) and have never once been in the presence of Giroux, let alone been in the locker room, on the bench during games, on the ice during games, or at practices, claiming to know anything about the situation.

Thanks for the laughs this morning boys.

PS: if you use the nickname CC I completely dismiss everything and anything you blather on about
- Scoob

It's actually funny.

A bunch of guys who basically only watch games on television (probably with their phone or iPad in hand distracting them) and have never once been in the presence of Giroux, let alone been in the locker room, on the bench during games, on the ice during games, or at practices, claiming to know anything about the situation.

Thanks for the laughs this morning boys.

PS: if you use the nickname CC I completely dismiss everything and anything you blather on about
- Scoob

A bunch of guys who basically only watch games on television (probably with their phone or iPad in hand distracting them) and have never once been in the presence of Giroux, let alone been in the locker room, on the bench during games, on the ice during games, or at practices, claiming to know anything about the situation.

Thanks for the laughs this morning boys.

PS: if you use the nickname CC I completely dismiss everything and anything you blather on about
- Scoob

Blaming the leadership of the team's captain for a team's poor performance is one of the more asinine things I've seen around here. That McDavid guy in Edmonton must be a real stiff!

The more I thought about it the more I like the RR signing. Now that he has term he could be more valuable to a team that wants his services down the road. Give it 2 or 3 years and if he is the missing piece to a contender maybe we get that 1st and more back?
In the meantime he will help us tank and suck for another year or two while we draft high in the upcoming drafts
(I'm trying to find any silver lining for this piss poor team)
That's all I got. When is this season over?

A bunch of guys who basically only watch games on television (probably with their phone or iPad in hand distracting them) and have never once been in the presence of Giroux, let alone been in the locker room, on the bench during games, on the ice during games, or at practices, claiming to know anything about the situation.

Thanks for the laughs this morning boys.

PS: if you use the nickname CC I completely dismiss everything and anything you blather on about
- Scoob

2nd this

If emery was healthy the whole year the standings and playoff seeding's would have been totally different. Who knows who they would have end up playing.

Now if you had emery just for that cup finals yes they win it imo as well.
- hello it's me 2050

Was a strange situation. Many people don't remember that the Flyers actually ended up the 7th seed that year despite getting in on the last day. They then had the fortune of having home ice and playing the 8th seeded Habs in the Conference Finals(they steamrolled them). The Habs took out the dreaded Caps and Pens for the Flyers with Halak standing on his head. So yes, if seedings were different things may very well have been different.

The more I thought about it the more I like the RR signing. Now that he has term he could be more valuable to a team that wants his services down the road. Give it 2 or 3 years and if he is the missing piece to a contender maybe we get that 1st and more back?
In the meantime he will help us tank and suck for another year or two while we draft high in the upcoming drafts
(I'm trying to find any silver lining for this piss poor team)
That's all I got. When is this season over?
- Bob Habib

I'll give you points for creativity but not so much from a hockey standpoint. He's not a missing piece now, doubt he will be in 2-3 years. The reality is that if they're healthy, make a few moves that they are undoubtedly going to make. They'll be in hockey purgatory. Which is capped out and good but nowhere near good enough. That's the worst position you can be in as a team.

Like contenders to struggle up to TDL, hope they get desperate to add the missing piece

All I want is a bidding war

Like contenders to struggle up to TDL, hope they get desperate to add the missing piece

All I want is a bidding war
- wcorvette

The way the Avs have been playing recently, Im hoping they start to get a little more urgent about adding a piece like Giroux.

You lack reading comprehension. The poster talked about recent seasons. Those are the seasons under Vigneault and Yeo. What I said was that Hakstol did a better job than both Vigneault and Yeo. Stating that coaching is overrated is just another dumb statement. We see the effects of both good and bad coaching all over hockey.
What sets the tone is play on the ice. You don't even have the logic to know that being called out AFTER a period is played, is not setting a tone. It's reacting to bad play.
You and others just can't seem to identify that there are more constants than Claude Giroux. The one constant and overall team factor that has been present for the majority of Giroux's career is that the team around him has just not been good enough. Has not been quality. When you look at Giroux's career and what he has accomplished as a player, it's pretty amazing. Despite all the road blocks. Blaming the lack of team success on Giroux as a captain is not only lacking a hockey foundation. It's lacking simple common sense.
- MJL

This is 100% true. What is also true is that you can't equate that to his leadership ability. 2 separate issues.

A bunch of guys who basically only watch games on television (probably with their phone or iPad in hand distracting them) and have never once been in the presence of Giroux, let alone been in the locker room, on the bench during games, on the ice during games, or at practices, claiming to know anything about the situation.

Thanks for the laughs this morning boys.

PS: if you use the nickname CC I completely dismiss everything and anything you blather on about
- Scoob

fcs

I'll give you points for creativity but not so much from a hockey standpoint. He's not a missing piece now, doubt he will be in 2-3 years. The reality is that if they're healthy, make a few moves that they are undoubtedly going to make. They'll be in hockey purgatory. Which is capped out and good but nowhere near good enough. That's the worst position you can be in as a team.
- MJL

I'll take the points!! I pulled that from way up in the butt
I hate this entire franchise right now. It'll be years before we are relevant again

The more I thought about it the more I like the RR signing. Now that he has term he could be more valuable to a team that wants his services down the road. Give it 2 or 3 years and if he is the missing piece to a contender maybe we get that 1st and more back?
In the meantime he will help us tank and suck for another year or two while we draft high in the upcoming drafts
(I'm trying to find any silver lining for this piss poor team)
That's all I got. When is this season over?
- Bob Habib

If RR is a missing piece to anyone's team than that would be very very very shocking.

Like contenders to struggle up to TDL, hope they get desperate to add the missing piece

All I want is a bidding war
- wcorvette

no bidding war if he wants to stay. Maybe the RR signing inspired him. Did you see what RR had to say? Why would CC want to leave now....

All kidding aside, Fletcher needs to go in the worst way. Sadly, even if they fired him today, this team is now years away from contending.

Worst of all, I don't think ownership gives a damn.

Did I read "coaching is overrated " on here?

All kidding aside, Fletcher needs to go in the worst way. Sadly, even if they fired him today, this team is now years away from contending.

Worst of all, I don't think ownership gives a damn.
- BiggE

What they need is a front office and GM who realizes that they are years away from contending and acting appropriately.

All kidding aside, Fletcher needs to go in the worst way. Sadly, even if they fired him today, this team is now years away from contending.

Worst of all, I don't think ownership gives a damn.
- BiggE

He will go straight to being the president full time is all. He aint going anywhere anytime soon.

What they need is a front office and GM who realizes that they are years away from contending and acting appropriately.
- MJL

yet you agree with the ex selke signing. That seems very odd.

bump.



This is so on point.
- ggunky

ggunk in the house

Blaming the leadership of the team's captain for a team's poor performance is one of the more asinine things I've seen around here. That McDavid guy in Edmonton must be a real stiff!
- BiggE

Totally is! He doesn't even lead the league in points anymore.