He also has had more than enough chances to produce on the pp. Like him alot on d , but he is no longer a 6.75 dman and w his term they should move him.
- Joe Nardone

I agree, it would be wise for the Flyers to shop Provorov while he still can get you a nice return, maybe even a top prospect with a top-end ceiling.

Oh I see .. so according to you Carolina is one of the best teams in the league, yet the Flyers on the road play them to a 1-1 tie late into the 3rd period until Carolina scores a fluke goal, but this has NOTHING to do with the Flyers playing well! Comical to the end!
- jd250

you really do not get it. They played the avs yesterday. Great game. They see the sad sack flyers coming in, how motivated do you think they are after the avs game? Flyers didnt play well. They flyers fn stink. The plyers are average at best. The coach is just not good.

You cant polish a turd no matter how hard you try. Your felating them is sickening.

I agree, it would be wise for the Flyers to shop Provorov while he still can get you a nice return, maybe even a top prospect with a top-end ceiling.
- jd250

No, it wouldn’t be wise at all. Once Timonen couldn’t play to his expectations anymore, it took years to replace him. Is Ivan Provorov Kimmo Timonen? No, but he’s the closest thing we have to what Kimmo was and these types of players don’t come along often.

No, it wouldn’t be wise at all. Once Timonen couldn’t play to his expectations anymore, it took years to replace him. Is Ivan Provorov Kimmo Timonen? No, but he’s the closest thing we have to what Kimmo was and these types of players don’t come along often.
- SuperSchennBros

With or without ivan this team stinks. You absolutely listen to offers and ask around. Doesn't mean you move him.

https://twitter.com/NHL_W...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

yeah need more speed, skill, and size. Easy peasy. Couple players away. He is a very delusional person. Harvard grad my ass.

Also said they are close and don't have to change that much. Need to add to get better. Yes close to the bottom so please do not change much and get a high pick next year.

This management team is so out of touch it is actually comical at this point.

Maybe Fletcher promised Yandle that he’d play everyday before he signed. Sometimes you have to make concessions to get a stud dman.
- Minnyhock

how were the Minnesota State High School Hockey Finals? Probably more entertaining than the flyers.

https://twitter.com/Fried...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

the 2:45 mark...Chuck gonna get raped if CC wants out.

Also seems to be a buyers market.

He also has had more than enough chances to produce on the pp. Like him alot on d , but he is no longer a 6.75 dman and w his term they should move him.
- Joe Nardone

Unless they get a quality defenseman in return or future assets that are too good to pass up, moving Provorov would be a mistake. Your reasoning for moving Provorov is flawed in my opinion.

Oh I see .. so according to you Carolina is one of the best teams in the league, yet the Flyers on the road play them to a 1-1 tie late into the 3rd period until Carolina scores a fluke goal, but this has NOTHING to do with the Flyers playing well! Comical to the end!
- jd250

Obviously you don't watch the game and only look at the final score. I watched the game but here are some numbers for you.

At 5 on 5, shot attempts were 63-38 Carolina. Scoring chances 26-13 Carolina. High danger chances 13-4 Carolina

Carolina is not one of the best teams in the league according to me. They're one of the best teams in the league according to any informed and knowledgeable fan or analyst. Of course we know from your statements that you don't think Carolina is one of the best teams in the league so...….

Unless they get a quality defenseman in return or future assets that are too good to pass up, moving Provorov would be a mistake. Your reasoning for moving Provorov is flawed in my opinion.
- MJL

The team is years away from contending you have said repeatedly. So why not look to move him as he has 3 years left on his deal.

Rather move a guy a year early than a year late. Time to flush out all the players who were here before Chuck. All they know is losing losing losing. Keep joel and Hart unless you get offered great deals. Everyone else is on the table.

Unless they get a quality defenseman in return or future assets that are too good to pass up, moving Provorov would be a mistake. Your reasoning for moving Provorov is flawed in my opinion.
- MJL

I see we are supposed to rip it down, but the chosen one dman can not be part of that discussion.

Let’s just clarify one thing, Prov is not on the same planet as Timonen who was a legit number 1 dman.

Provorovs contract is a problem unless his play magically improves.

He is ineffective at maintaining leads with less than a minute left as he simply gives up the puck at the worst possible times.

He is ineffective at running a pp.

He can’t lead a number 1 unit. He is a passenger not a leader on that unit. Because of that we now have another bad contract in Ellis.

At 25, 26 minutes a night he is noticeably run down. I would agree that if he played 21 or 22 the old Provy would prob return, but then he would still not be worth the 6.75 cause he is only playing 21 mins a night. There are nights when he is barely their 4 best dman especially w the improved play of Braun, Risto and Sanheim. He is simply not as good as those guys on many nights and yet they get ripped and Provy has this bubble around where he can’t take criticism.

Every other player on this team gets killed, but the guy whose play has fallen off a cliff is somehow removed from criticism.

If I can get two number ones he gets moved. If I can get a stud prospect or young player and a number 1 I move him.

I see we are supposed to rip it down, but the chosen one dman can not be part of that discussion.

Let’s just clarify one thing, Prov is not on the same planet as Timonen who was a legit number 1 dman.

Provorovs contract is a problem unless his play magically improves.

He is ineffective at maintaining leads with less than a minute left as he simply gives up the puck at the worst possible times.

He is ineffective at running a pp.

He can’t lead a number 1 unit. He is a passenger not a leader on that unit. Because of that we now have another bad contract in Ellis.

At 25, 26 minutes a night he is noticeably run down. I would agree that if he played 21 or 22 the old Provy would prob return, but then he would still not be worth the 6.75 cause he is only playing 21 mins a night. There are nights when he is barely their 4th best dman especially w the improved play of Braun, Risto and Sanheim. He is simply not as good as those guys on many nights and yet they get ripped and Provy has this bubble around where he can’t take criticism.

Every other player on this team gets killed, but the guy whose play has fallen off a cliff is somehow removed from criticism.

If I can get two number ones he gets moved. If I can get a stud prospect or young player and a number 1 I move him.
- Joe Nardone

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/giroux-talks-very-quiet-flyers-not-believed-to-have-been-offered-any-big-deals.2875823/

the 2:45 mark...Chuck gonna get raped if CC wants out.

Also seems to be a buyers market.
- hello it's me 2050

Right now it appears to be a buyers market….that can change though as certain guys get signed. I’m about 50-50 on G getting moved. I think he will but I’m no longer sure. I think Braun is assuredly gone…after that who knows?

No, it wouldn’t be wise at all. Once Timonen couldn’t play to his expectations anymore, it took years to replace him. Is Ivan Provorov Kimmo Timonen? No, but he’s the closest thing we have to what Kimmo was and these types of players don’t come along often.
- SuperSchennBros

They aren’t going to get better by trading their best players. Unless someone knocks it out of the park with an offer for Provy I’m not sure it makes any sense.

They aren’t going to get better by trading their best players. Unless someone knocks it out of the park with an offer for Provy I’m not sure it makes any sense.
- landros 2

Well him being their "best" Dman, maybe that is part of the problem.

I see we are supposed to rip it down, but the chosen one dman can not be part of that discussion.

Let’s just clarify one thing, Prov is not on the same planet as Timonen who was a legit number 1 dman.

Provorovs contract is a problem unless his play magically improves.

He is ineffective at maintaining leads with less than a minute left as he simply gives up the puck at the worst possible times.

He is ineffective at running a pp.

He can’t lead a number 1 unit. He is a passenger not a leader on that unit. Because of that we now have another bad contract in Ellis.

At 25, 26 minutes a night he is noticeably run down. I would agree that if he played 21 or 22 the old Provy would prob return, but then he would still not be worth the 6.75 cause he is only playing 21 mins a night. There are nights when he is barely their 4 best dman especially w the improved play of Braun, Risto and Sanheim. He is simply not as good as those guys on many nights and yet they get ripped and Provy has this bubble around where he can’t take criticism.

Every other player on this team gets killed, but the guy whose play has fallen off a cliff is somehow removed from criticism.

If I can get two number ones he gets moved. If I can get a stud prospect or young player and a number 1 I move him.
- Joe Nardone

As soon as you mention the improved play of Ristolainen, in my opinion you disqualify yourself from any rational conversation. Again, you've invented something as you do frequently. Provorov is not removed from criticism. He gets criticized often. This is what a lot of fans do. They don't recognize what happens a lot of times to really good players in bad situations and they write them off.
Blaming Provorov for the Ellis contract is laughable.

Right now it appears to be a buyers market….that can change though as certain guys get signed. I’m about 50-50 on G getting moved. I think he will but I’m no longer sure. I think Braun is assuredly gone…after that who knows?
- landros 2

Lets say CC gives a list of 4 teams. Lets say he tells the GM his preference is team x. What does the GM do:

1. Honor his request and trades him to team x. Even if it is a lesser offer than other teams.

2. Take the best offer. Regardless of team.

I see we are supposed to rip it down, but the chosen one dman can not be part of that discussion.

Let’s just clarify one thing, Prov is not on the same planet as Timonen who was a legit number 1 dman.

Provorovs contract is a problem unless his play magically improves.

He is ineffective at maintaining leads with less than a minute left as he simply gives up the puck at the worst possible times.

He is ineffective at running a pp.

He can’t lead a number 1 unit. He is a passenger not a leader on that unit. Because of that we now have another bad contract in Ellis.

At 25, 26 minutes a night he is noticeably run down. I would agree that if he played 21 or 22 the old Provy would prob return, but then he would still not be worth the 6.75 cause he is only playing 21 mins a night. There are nights when he is barely their 4 best dman especially w the improved play of Braun, Risto and Sanheim. He is simply not as good as those guys on many nights and yet they get ripped and Provy has this bubble around where he can’t take criticism.

Every other player on this team gets killed, but the guy whose play has fallen off a cliff is somehow removed from criticism.

If I can get two number ones he gets moved. If I can get a stud prospect or young player and a number 1 I move him.
- Joe Nardone

Most of the fans agree with the synopsis that Provy has had another uneven-poor season…. But we’ve seen what he can do….we know his work ethic…we know he cares. Those are tough guys to move on from.
I agree he’s not a true # one, but he has shown to be a capable top pairing d….the only one I see in the entire organization.

Lets say CC gives a list of 4 teams. Lets say he tells the GM his preference is team x. What does the GM do:

1. Honor his request and trades him to team x. Even if it is a lesser offer than other teams.

2. Take the best offer. Regardless of team.
- hello it's me 2050

With this GM….it’s #1.

As soon as you mention the improved play of Ristolainen, in my opinion you disqualify yourself from any rational conversation. Again, you've invented something as you do frequently. Provorov is not removed from criticism. He gets criticized often. This is what a lot of fans do. They don't recognize what happens a lot of times to really good players in bad situations and they write them off.
Blaming Provorov for the Ellis contract is laughable.
- MJL

Is Saint Ronnie at all responsible for Ivans lack of progression? At least Chuck tried to address it by providing him help.

With this GM….it’s #1.
- landros 2

So at the end of the day it wont matter how many teams he says he will go to if he has a preference to one.

Well him being their "best" Dman, maybe that is part of the problem.
- hello it's me 2050

True…but I don’t think you move out your best young players….they should be trying to add other good young players to compliment them…now I will agree that he’s no longer untouchable like maybe two years ago. When a team is this bad all options need to be on the table.

So at the end of the day it wont matter how many teams he says he will go to if he has a preference to one.
- hello it's me 2050

Unfortunately …probably so. But your assuming he has a ‘one’ team preference in that scenario…maybe there are 4-5 teams he’d actually go to….maybe he says to fletch….give me a chance to win a cup? Again it wouldn’t shock me if the offers suck that Fletch doesn’t move him and tries to get a deal done to get him back for next year.

True…but I don’t think you move out your best young players….they should be trying to add other good young players to compliment them…now I will agree that he’s no longer untouchable like maybe two years ago. When a team is this bad all options need to be on the table.
- landros 2

Here is the thing imo. They are not going to contend for a long time. So why keep him? Then in 3 years he walks or you trade him for a lesser package.

Its not a matter of I don't think he isn't any good. Just looking at the timeline. I cant see guys like Sanheim and Ivan wanting to stay. Lets also say Ivan continues his inconsistent play. What do you pay him assuming he wants to stay?

What I hope happens is Chuck goes President full time and Danny takes over. They do a reset. Maybe Danny boy sees it a little diff (doubt it as seems like a company shill already). Only reason I hope this is because we all know Chuck isnt getting fired.

Unfortunately …probably so. But your assuming he has a ‘one’ team preference in that scenario…maybe there are 4-5 teams he’d actually go to….maybe he says to fletch….give me a chance to win a cup? Again it wouldn’t shock me if the offers suck that Fletch doesn’t move him and tries to get a deal done to get him back for next year.
- landros 2

yes absolutely in that scenario.