Here is the thing imo. They are not going to contend for a long time. So why keep him? Then in 3 years he walks or you trade him for a lesser package.

Its not a matter of I don't think he isn't any good. Just looking at the timeline. I cant see guys like Sanheim and Ivan wanting to stay. Lets also say Ivan continues his inconsistent play. What do you pay him assuming he wants to stay?

What I hope happens is Chuck goes President full time and Danny takes over. They do a reset. Maybe Danny boy sees it a little diff (doubt it as seems like a company shill already). Only reason I hope this is because we all know Chuck isnt getting fired.
- hello it's me 2050

After seeing how quickly teams can turn things around I don’t think they are necessarily a long time away from contending….now truth be told I’m not sure Fletcher has it in him to change the franchises fortunes, but it’s not like it’s impossible. They do have some good pieces still….and they have some trade chips that can be moved out….you never know who could come available in the foreseeable future. I fully realize it looks bleak today but it’s far from hopeless.

After seeing how quickly teams can turn things around I don’t think they are necessarily a long time away from contending….now truth be told I’m not sure Fletcher has it in him to change the franchises fortunes, but it’s not like it’s impossible. They do have some good pieces still….and they have some trade chips that can be moved out….you never know who could come available in the foreseeable future. I fully realize it looks bleak today but it’s far from hopeless.
- landros 2

I also do not think Chuck is the guy in any way to get it in the right direction. That in itself sets the team back further.

I also believe they are from a talent POV also a ways off. There isn't a quick fix unless everything falls into place. Do you really want to rely on everything falling into place?

I also do not think Chuck is the guy in any way to get it in the right direction. That in itself sets the team back further.

I also believe they are from a talent POV also a ways off. There isn't a quick fix unless everything falls into place. Do you really want to rely on everything falling into place?
- hello it's me 2050

It’s not that I would rely on it…lol. It’s just we’re we are.

It’s not that I would rely on it…lol. It’s just we’re we are.
- landros 2

Cant wait to see who the new coach will be for next season.....

The Flyers will be better next year for 2 reasons. JVR and Yandle WILL NOT be on this team. Just looked up the stats of my 2 favorite whipping boys. JVR is a whopping -29 with 22 hits in 58 games. Yandle has found a way to outdo JVR by being a whopping -34! WTF! I know some people don't value +/- as a viable stat, but these numbers can't be ignored. SIT EM NOW!!! Thanks!

After seeing how quickly teams can turn things around I don’t think they are necessarily a long time away from contending….now truth be told I’m not sure Fletcher has it in him to change the franchises fortunes, but it’s not like it’s impossible. They do have some good pieces still….and they have some trade chips that can be moved out….you never know who could come available in the foreseeable future. I fully realize it looks bleak today but it’s far from hopeless.
- landros 2

You don’t think they are a long time away from contending, or making the playoffs? Two totally different things and I’d say they are very far away from contending or having any consistent success. About to lose our best player, the face of the franchise, there’s no one that could even sniff his production over the last 10 years in this organization today. And the team was extremely mediocre during his time. The organization has been a dumping ground for the last 8-10 years.

The Flyers will be better next year for 2 reasons. JVR and Yandle WILL NOT be on this team. Just looked up the stats of my 2 favorite whipping boys. JVR is a whopping -29 with 22 hits in 58 games. Yandle has found a way to outdo JVR by being a whopping -34! WTF! I know some people don't value +/- as a viable stat, but these numbers can't be ignored. SIT EM NOW!!! Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

Flyers should be much better next year if they can stay healthy. However I thought the same thing for this year.

Flyers should be much better next year if they can stay healthy. However I thought the same thing for this year.
- MJL

Will the young guys ever step up? If this team is going to be good we are going to need guys like TK and Farabee night in and night out to drive the bus. The D is a wreck. Adding York for full year will be good but there’s still holes. I see a team picking around #10-12 overall when next season is over granted there aren’t big changes in the off-season.

Will the young guys ever step up? If this team is going to be good we are going to need guys like TK and Farabee night in and night out to drive the bus. The D is a wreck. Adding York for full year will be good but there’s still holes. I see a team picking around #10-12 overall when next season is over granted there aren’t big changes in the off-season.
- ClaudeFather

I've talked numerous times about the depth that this team has. Maybe Farabee and Konecny aren't "bus drivers" but sit right behind the driver. They have Couturier and Atkinson as vets. They need some elite talent. They need two top forwards and a they need a dynamic defenseman. They also need a quality coach. I think with a few moves and some health luck, they can fight for a playoff spot. However I don't want the team in that spot. Capped out and not good enough is the worst spot you can be.

You don’t think they are a long time away from contending, or making the playoffs? Two totally different things and I’d say they are very far away from contending or having any consistent success. About to lose our best player, the face of the franchise, there’s no one that could even sniff his production over the last 10 years in this organization today. And the team was extremely mediocre during his time. The organization has been a dumping ground for the last 8-10 years.
- ClaudeFather

I just don’t think it’s impossible that they can’t make a very quick turn around…now do I think it’s likely ? Probably not. There are a lot of things that would have to go right. It’s just a wait and see what they do between now and September.

I've talked numerous times about the depth that this team has. Maybe Farabee and Konecny aren't "bus drivers" but sit right behind the driver. They have Couturier and Atkinson as vets. They need some elite talent. They need two top forwards and a they need a dynamic defenseman. They also need a quality coach. I think with a few moves and some health luck, they can fight for a playoff spot. However I don't want the team in that spot. Capped out and not good enough is the worst spot you can be.
- MJL

Yea, that’s a lot to ask for. The fact that management thinks we should be pushing forward instead of taking a bit of a step back is very concerning

I've talked numerous times about the depth that this team has. Maybe Farabee and Konecny aren't "bus drivers" but sit right behind the driver. They have Couturier and Atkinson as vets. They need some elite talent. They need two top forwards and a they need a dynamic defenseman. They also need a quality coach. I think with a few moves and some health luck, they can fight for a playoff spot. However I don't want the team in that spot. Capped out and not good enough is the worst spot you can be.
- MJL

the depth the team has...good lord.
They need more than elite talent. Their depth isn't all that great as we have seen repeatedly over the years. So many tin man players on this team.

Cant wait to see who the new coach will be for next season.....
- hello it's me 2050

“If” they get a new coach.

Yea, that’s a lot to ask for. The fact that management thinks we should be pushing forward instead of taking a bit of a step back is very concerning
- ClaudeFather

Problem is they are tied to some vets long term…tough to move out these guys with the way things have gone. A retool regardless of if it right or not is probably the “only” way.

“If” they get a new coach.
- landros 2

It would make my day if they keep Yeo. Look at the $$$ savings if they do keep him. Hiring a new "name" coach to a 4 year deal may not be what Comcast wants seeing they are still paying AV.

I see we are supposed to rip it down, but the chosen one dman can not be part of that discussion.

Let’s just clarify one thing, Prov is not on the same planet as Timonen who was a legit number 1 dman.

Provorovs contract is a problem unless his play magically improves.

He is ineffective at maintaining leads with less than a minute left as he simply gives up the puck at the worst possible times.

He is ineffective at running a pp.

He can’t lead a number 1 unit. He is a passenger not a leader on that unit. Because of that we now have another bad contract in Ellis.

At 25, 26 minutes a night he is noticeably run down. I would agree that if he played 21 or 22 the old Provy would prob return, but then he would still not be worth the 6.75 cause he is only playing 21 mins a night. There are nights when he is barely their 4 best dman especially w the improved play of Braun, Risto and Sanheim. He is simply not as good as those guys on many nights and yet they get ripped and Provy has this bubble around where he can’t take criticism.

Every other player on this team gets killed, but the guy whose play has fallen off a cliff is somehow removed from criticism.

If I can get two number ones he gets moved. If I can get a stud prospect or young player and a number 1 I move him.
- Joe Nardone

And you have this great perspective from years of being a season ticket holder.....you should save your money

The Flyers will be better next year for 2 reasons. JVR and Yandle WILL NOT be on this team. Just looked up the stats of my 2 favorite whipping boys. JVR is a whopping -29 with 22 hits in 58 games. Yandle has found a way to outdo JVR by being a whopping -34! WTF! I know some people don't value +/- as a viable stat, but these numbers can't be ignored. SIT EM NOW!!! Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

Where will JVR be going? He has a year left, doesn't he?

Problem is they are tied to some vets long term…tough to move out these guys with the way things have gone. A retool regardless of if it right or not is probably the “only” way.
- landros 2

Yup, that’s just the situation we are in.

Problem is they are tied to some vets long term…tough to move out these guys with the way things have gone. A retool regardless of if it right or not is probably the “only” way.
- landros 2

Long term vets who have very little if any trade value; Hayes and Ellis. Ex selke didnt even start his shiny new 8 year deal yet.

Funny thing is I do not think Chuck would move either of the 3 even if he had the opportunity.

Long term vets who have very little if any trade value; Hayes and Ellis. Ex selke didnt even start his shiny new 8 year deal yet.

Funny thing is I do not think Chuck would move either of the 3 even if he had the opportunity.
- hello it's me 2050

He’s responsible for all three….so ya he won’t be moving them out.

Where will JVR be going? He has a year left, doesn't he?
- PT21

Betsons

Blow this thing up. Fire sale on everyone. Nobody is untouchable. I’m not looking for minor changes, just to be mediocre for another decade.

Where will JVR be going? He has a year left, doesn't he?
- PT21

If he isnt dealt in the offseason, he will be bought out

The Flyers will be better next year for 2 reasons. JVR and Yandle WILL NOT be on this team. Just looked up the stats of my 2 favorite whipping boys. JVR is a whopping -29 with 22 hits in 58 games. Yandle has found a way to outdo JVR by being a whopping -34! WTF! I know some people don't value +/- as a viable stat, but these numbers can't be ignored. SIT EM NOW!!! Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

Sure. It’s going to be difficult to be any worse.

Kind of hoping Edmonton falls apart again so they open up to the idea of shopping Draisaitl. Give them whatever they want for him and build from there.