and now the hit pieces start
- THE BLACK HAND

Exactly. The propaganda machine in action.

Rumors are rumors, why I said, depending on what is next. I don’t think they move either, unless it brings back a right side D to balance the 6
- wcorvette

do you see Travis wanting to sign here long term? Do you see the flyers wanting him long term?

He is a free agent after 2023. H will be moved imo.

My question is this now... Is provy purposefully playing bad hockey?! These mistakes he makes are horrendous ECHL level mistakes and after reading how unhappy he is maybe this is purposeful on his part.
If so that's really upsetting. I remember provy getting emotional after they lost a playoff series. It was one that he played hurt through, iirc,
I truly thought provy would be the future leader of this team but WOW have things changed quickly
I feel like they already pushed sanheim away with dragging out his contract extension and paying him "what they had left"
This is just a cluster fudge from top to bottom, with the exception of Hart.
- Bob Habib

It's obvious to me. Provorov has been beaten down by having to be the guy every night with no help. On a team that is dysfunctional in it's team and systems play. It's just been too much and I wouldn't blame him if he wants out. As a player who we know takes it personally and is intense, it's worn on him.

If he would just block a shot with his face he’d have lifetime employment
- BiggE

🤭 At the Ian comparable

But does it not work because of the ineptitude of this franchise to properly develop players and put a cohesive team together or is it the player? Or in this case is it every player on the team or is it the franchise itself?!
If it was just one player not working out then sure... Pull that trigger! 100%
But when it's the entire team out on the ice it could mean that there is more going on than we know about
Either way, at this point, I'm with you on scrapping it and starting over. Not sure I keep RR as a staple on the blue line while trading sanheim and provy away but if they do that and commit to the tank we at least will have a couple of chances to grab a generational talent in the next few drafts
- Bob Habib

There is absolutely zero chance of this team tanking.

Exactly. The propaganda machine in action.
- MJL

dont you always question the source? why you accepting this one?

50/50 chance what is being reported is true Cliff.

ZERO leadership in the room. Double dogit losing steaks. Prolonged goalless droughts for players. Kids regressing. Players being cry babies. Players leaving town than performing well.

I guess it makes more sense to blame the 6 different coaches & 3 different GMs than the 1 constant lazy bumm whose created a culture of garbage.
- Fopa21

Exactly.... Team had Giroux around 4 years too long....cancer

Sounds more like the issue is that Provy is pointing the finger at everyone, but himself for his poor play. I don’t blame him for being unhappy with his situation. Management and coaching staff appear to be incompetent so it’s hard to blame the player for being unhappy, but he still needs to play better. I don’t have a problem with a player being a prima donna as long as he plays well.
- Dkos

Think about it. For the entire time Provorov has been here. When has he ever been known to point fingers and blame others? We've seen how personal Provorov has taken mistakes he has made in the past. All of a sudden that has changed? I don't think it's hard to figure out.

I like RR. But if they are talking about trading provy and sanheim but keeping RR then I have more questions than answers going forward.
If they ship both provy and sanheim out then then doesn't that make RR the top pairing guy?
- Bob Habib

Honestly, what is there to like?

Risto signed for less than many were claiming it would take. Cap hit is reasonable. I saw the other day people comparing it to And Mac. Is interesting but the cap was lower back then as well. Won't look bad if the cap starts to go up again.

Guessing if york continues he will be taking sanhiem spot in the line up once he is traded.

also weird i haven't seen and Cam Atkinson hate recently. i like what he has brought to the team so far. was a good trade for both players.

It's obvious to me. Provorov has been beaten down by having to be the guy every night with no help. On a team that is dysfunctional in it's team and systems play. It's just been too much and I wouldn't blame him if he wants out. As a player who we know takes it personally and is intense, it's worn on him.
- MJL

Been that way from day 1 when the prior GM threw him right into the fire. Gave him zero help or a good vet presence. Why dont you ever mention that?

Yay the horse beating of RR trade in full swing
End date over under/over September Jan 23

Prediction:
Fletcher now flips RR at better term for other team.
Everyone rejoices and under September wins.

Been that way from day 1 when the prior GM threw him right into the fire. Gave him zero help or a good vet presence. Why dont you ever mention that?
- hello it's me 2050

same can be said for a lot of players. only one team wins every year. and some other players in other organizations that have underperformed....they all feel it. it pro sports.

you dont pay RR 5.1 per for 5 years if looking to tank.
- hello it's me 2050

Ehhh.....

with a win now mandate they will have to figure out the left side D. You have Provy, Sanheim, York and Zamula, assuming all those players hit their potential. Quick look, yeah Sanheim seems like the one to trade. I would not trade Sanheim, he will be coming into his prime his best years ahead. He has more size than Provy and York. Trading him would be saying they think Zamula can slide in but then we have to wait for his learning curve, how is that win now? Trading Provy or Sanheim would only happen if it was a good hockey trade with something coming back that is similar. Could they package Sanheim and Zamula and get back the best player in the deal? There should be trades out there, I am starting to think Vegas will be having a blowout sale, way over cap and not looking like a contender or a playoff team right now.

either hold your players and keep building or come back with a prime player, a difference maker.

Think about it. For the entire time Provorov has been here. When has he ever been known to point fingers and blame others? We've seen how personal Provorov has taken mistakes he has made in the past. All of a sudden that has changed? I don't think it's hard to figure out.
- MJL

I don’t know what goes on outside of the games I watch on tv. I don’t disagree with you that Provorov seems like a dedicated hardworking player. Still, can’t help but be disappointed by his play. I don’t know that anything has suddenly changed. All I know is that he doesn’t look very good now.

with a win now mandate they will have to figure out the left side D. You have Provy, Sanheim, York and Zamula, assuming all those players hit their potential. Quick look, yeah Sanheim seems like the one to trade. I would not trade Sanheim, he will be coming into his prime his best years ahead. He has more size than Provy and York. Trading him would be saying they think Zamula can slide in but then we have to wait for his learning curve, how is that win now? Trading Provy or Sanheim would only happen if it was a good hockey trade with something coming back that is similar. Could they package Sanheim and Zamula and get back the best player in the deal? There should be trades out there, I am starting to think Vegas will be having a blowout sale, way over cap and not looking like a contender or a playoff team right now.

either hold your players and keep builder or come back with a prime player, a difference maker.
- wcorvette

It will be interesting, i just feel travis is the odd man out. I think york will be a better player. And with travis you can or should be able to get a return that helps with another hole or another d man. But the cap is / will be the reason as well. Yes he is taller than the other players but is a bean pole. he can move well but has not grown offensively into what i think they thought he would. Ellis being out the entire year really hurts the d as well.

I don’t know what goes on outside of the games I watch on tv. I don’t disagree with you that Provorov seems like a dedicated hardworking player. Still, can’t help but be disappointed by his play. I don’t know that anything has suddenly changed. All I know is that he doesn’t look very good now.
- Dkos

I think everyone is disappointed by his play. The real question is why it's so subpar. This is what happens when a good player falls out of favor. It was the same things with Gostisbehere and Voracek. You started reading about negative character issues being floated around. It's a symptom of a dysfunctional organization.

with a win now mandate they will have to figure out the left side D. You have Provy, Sanheim, York and Zamula, assuming all those players hit their potential. Quick look, yeah Sanheim seems like the one to trade. I would not trade Sanheim, he will be coming into his prime his best years ahead. He has more size than Provy and York. Trading him would be saying they think Zamula can slide in but then we have to wait for his learning curve, how is that win now? Trading Provy or Sanheim would only happen if it was a good hockey trade with something coming back that is similar. Could they package Sanheim and Zamula and get back the best player in the deal? There should be trades out there, I am starting to think Vegas will be having a blowout sale, way over cap and not looking like a contender or a playoff team right now.

either hold your players and keep building or come back with a prime player, a difference maker.
- wcorvette

Why is Sanheim the one to trade?

I think everyone is disappointed by his play. The real question is why it's so subpar. This is what happens when a good player falls out of favor. It was the same things with Gostisbehere and Voracek. You started reading about negative character issues being floated around. It's a symptom of a dysfunctional organization.
- MJL

& the organization has replaced numerous coaches & gms. Who hasn’t been replaced?

I think everyone is disappointed by his play. The real question is why it's so subpar. This is what happens when a good player falls out of favor. It was the same things with Gostisbehere and Voracek. You started reading about negative character issues being floated around. It's a symptom of a dysfunctional organization.
- MJL

Poor hockey IQ that’s only covered up when he plays with the matt friggin niskanens of the world 🤦‍♂️

Seeing a lot of chatter on Twitter about Provy being difficult and not a good teammate. Both team and player would be happy to part ways. Any truth to this? Can’t blame him for being unhappy with the state of things, but how you respond to adversity says a lot about a person. No denying he has not played well this year.
- Dkos

This year only. I remember discussing the minutia of his stick being short.
The guy needs a steady partner. It wont happen here though.
Maybe someplace where there is a development of players, players not on a yoyo development plan, that is not here

Bill, the story of the day is return of Wade Allison.
I am assuming you watched the game. I believe Wade scored a goal in his last 4 consecutive games for Phantoms.
He clearly has the mojo and the shot to be a 20+ goal scorer for Flyers.
My question is how do we keep this kid on the ice?
His tendency to play hard, or even recklessly at times, seems to contribute to his injury problems. Last night was another example with the sliced hand.
He seems to be strong/developed enough to handle rigors of everyday NHL physicality.
Should the coaching staff attempt to tweak his style of play for the sake of durability?

It will be interesting, i just feel travis is the odd man out. I think york will be a better player. And with travis you can or should be able to get a return that helps with another hole or another d man. But the cap is / will be the reason as well. Yes he is taller than the other players but is a bean pole. he can move well but has not grown offensively into what i think they thought he would. Ellis being out the entire year really hurts the d as well.
- Peter Richards

tough call, I really see Sanheim getting better and if the team gets better, he will really flourish

Bill, the story of the day is return of Wade Allison.
I am assuming you watched the game. I believe Wade scored a goal in his last 4 consecutive games for Phantoms.
He clearly has the mojo and the shot to be a 20+ goal scorer for Flyers.
My question is how do we keep this kid on the ice?
His tendency to play hard, or even recklessly at times, seems to contribute to his injury problems. Last night was another example with the sliced hand.
He seems to be strong/developed enough to handle rigors of everyday NHL physicality.
Should the coaching staff attempt to tweak his style of play for the sake of durability?
- biggbear77

tough one, he is all in when he plays, you slow him down, will he be as good