That is why he is was fired. He did some good even though some will never ever give him credit for it. He did some bad that some will never ever let anyone forget it.

At the end of 7 and a tiny bit years, he didn't do enough to keep his job. Now another GM has come in to fix the parts that are broken.

To use the "other teams" excuse. 31 out of 32 teams have holes every year if the goal is to win a championship.
- manvanfan

Slow team with crap D?

He’s not wrong, however, as you stated earlier, this is a watered-down league wide problem.

The Canucks have three AHL level defencemen in the lineup and one guy (Schenn) who should be about a #6 or #7 dman like he was in Tampa. The Canucks defence is atrocious. #notwinninganythingeverwiththatdefence
- LeftCoaster

Who are the 3 AHL dmen?

He is, which as long as he’s an upgrade on Poolman, I’d be fine with, but more has to come with him if Boeser is going the other way.
- Shuswap Wap

Boeser ain't going anywhere much to the dismay of the #whinersguild...

Who are the 3 AHL dmen?
- CanuckDon

Hunt.
Poolboy.
Burroughs.

Boeser ain't going anywhere much to the dismay of the #whinerguild...


- LordHumungous

I was reading a tweet the other day someone had posted from Pierre Lebrun.

It was from talking to an LA exec how he would like to pay less for Boeser than they did for Arvidsson. LA paid a 2nd and a 3rd for Arvidsson.

Got me thinking. Canucks pretty much paid a 2nd and a 3rd for Toffoli even though the 3rd was a prospect who was a 3rd round draft pick instead of an actual 3rd.

Toffoli on an expiring contract was a couple years older and a UFA at the time.

Arvidsson also a couple years older but has term left on a decent contract.

I think Boeser>Arvidsson in terms of hockey quality not a big difference but Boeser's contract to Arvidsson's contract would swing in the favour of Arvidsson to equal it out.

Would trading Boeser for a 2nd and 3rd round pick be good for the Canucks or would re-signing him at a realistic value long term be better?

I was reading a tweet the other day someone had posted from Pierre Lebrun.

It was from talking to an LA exec how he would like to pay less for Boeser than they did for Arvidsson. LA paid a 2nd and a 3rd for Arvidsson.

Got me thinking. Canucks pretty much paid a 2nd and a 3rd for Toffoli even though the 3rd was a prospect who was a 3rd round draft pick instead of an actual 3rd.

Toffoli on an expiring contract was a couple years older and a UFA at the time.

Arvidsson also a couple years older but has term left on a decent contract.

I think Boeser>Arvidsson in terms of hockey quality not a big difference but Boeser's contract to Arvidsson's contract would swing in the favour of Arvidsson to equal it out.

Would trading Boeser for a 2nd and 3rd round pick be good for the Canucks or would re-signing him at a realistic value long term be better?
- manvanfan

It pretty much depends on the realistic value and the term. He's not someone i want to overpay, but he should be a 30 goal scorer for the next 6 seasons and that's not easily replaced.

https://www.dailyfaceoff....om-on-trade-deadline-day/

For lack of better wording, a "fun" and somewhat "interesting" little read about TDL day

I think what you should probably go with is that your analytics friends are probably just tired of arguing with you over it and just concede to not have to listen to you talk about how right your eye test is.


Nobody but you claims that these stats are absolute facts.
- manvanfan

So you spew out some analytics, but refuse to explain them, pretty typical of the analytic community.
How dare anyone question these fantastic looking stats, don't you see how smart it makes me look?

Also, I have been told several times on here about these analytics being facts.
As someone mentioned awhile back, they used to rely heavily on corsi, but have since changed their line of thinking, as that person found far to many flaws on that stat.

Now, I am a strong believer in backing up what you say/post, with some civil discussion on what was raised, if you can't at least do that, then you probably shouldn't be posting them.

It pretty much depends on the realistic value and the term. He's not someone i want to overpay, but he should be a 30 goal scorer for the next 6 seasons and that's not easily replaced.
- golfingsince

I guess that is the question they can ask, can his scoring be replaced. A 2nd and 3rd round pick odds probably wouldn't be in your favour to replace it. Not quickly at least. Would the cap space though.

For me, I view Boeser as a 60ish point player over 82 games. What you pay a player like that I don't want to really take a stab at it honestly. I think it would either be good or bad.

Hunt.
Poolboy.
Burroughs.
- Marwood

Hughes Schenn
OEL Myers
Hunt Pooly

We have one tweener. Poolman is an nhl dman just not a good one

It pretty much depends on the realistic value and the term. He's not someone i want to overpay, but he should be a 30 goal scorer for the next 6 seasons and that's not easily replaced.
- golfingsince

Doesn’t Boeser have to score 30 first? He is the leagues only perennial 30 goal scorer that will never score 30 🤨

So you spew out some analytics, but refuse to explain them, pretty typical of the analytic community.
How dare anyone question these fantastic looking stats, don't you see how smart it makes me look?

Also, I have been told several times on here about these analytics being facts.
As someone mentioned awhile back, they used to rely heavily on corsi, but have since changed their line of thinking, as that person found far to many flaws on that stat.

Now, I am a strong believer in backing up what you say/post, with some civil discussion on what was raised, if you can't at least do that, then you probably shouldn't be posting them.
- Reubenkincade

I am always more than happy to enter a civil conversation with someone. You can see how civil Vintage and I have been today.

With you though, a strong believer against analytics. It's not really much of a conversation.

Here's the answer to your question which could have been found on a very quick google search.

WHAT is Expected Goals?

In the broadest sense, expected goals (xG) is a measure that seeks to address the concern that not all shots are created equal. xG considers a variety of factors and then mathematically assigns a value to each shot attempt that represents the probability of that shot becoming a goal. That value can come in one of two forms: it can be a percentage - which directly represents how likely a goal was to follow; or it can be a straight value which factors in probability. Terms like "expected goals" and xG can feel clunky, so I like to call this measure simply "shot quality."

https://www.nhl.com/krake...xpected-goals/c-327728890

Here is the article that goes with it.

Doesn’t Boeser have to score 30 first? He is the leagues only perennial 30 goal scorer that will never score 30 🤨
- CanuckDon

Going to split hairs over a guy who has scored 29 in 62 games and 26 in 69 games?

From last full 82 game schedule. 28 goals is top 50 in the league in goal scoring.

Allison did a fine job of explaining this stat, which was similar to my understanding of the stat.
I won't ask you any question regarding the positives or negatives of this stat, as the discussion is more suited for a different site.

Thanks for posting.

I was reading a tweet the other day someone had posted from Pierre Lebrun.

It was from talking to an LA exec how he would like to pay less for Boeser than they did for Arvidsson. LA paid a 2nd and a 3rd for Arvidsson.

Got me thinking. Canucks pretty much paid a 2nd and a 3rd for Toffoli even though the 3rd was a prospect who was a 3rd round draft pick instead of an actual 3rd.

Toffoli on an expiring contract was a couple years older and a UFA at the time.

Arvidsson also a couple years older but has term left on a decent contract.

I think Boeser>Arvidsson in terms of hockey quality not a big difference but Boeser's contract to Arvidsson's contract would swing in the favour of Arvidsson to equal it out.

Would trading Boeser for a 2nd and 3rd round pick be good for the Canucks or would re-signing him at a realistic value long term be better?
- manvanfan

If it's workable for both camps re sign for sure. Would suck to let Boeser go for a 2-3 rounder when he was a gem of a pick in the first round.

Dikie put on IR , clearing cap.

“Broadcaster calls Canucks coach Bruce Boudreau a ‘moron’ who doesn’t know rules”



I swear it’s not me

Dikie put on IR , clearing cap.
- VANTEL

And PEtan called up.

Dikie put on IR , clearing cap.
- VANTEL

Gonna take some space to re-sign our top player JT Miller.

“Broadcaster calls Canucks coach Bruce Boudreau a ‘moron’ who doesn’t know rules”



I swear it’s not me
- 1970vintage

The broadcaster is being made fun of quite a bit right now from what I've read.

Gonna take some space to re-sign our top player JT Miller.


- LordHumungous

I thought it was for the upcoming Nylander trade.

If it's workable for both camps re sign for sure. Would suck to let Boeser go for a 2-3 rounder when he was a gem of a pick in the first round.
- LordHumungous

Right now, up for debate but somewhere between the 10-15th best player in his draft year.

You would think the return should be somewhere equal to that kind of value. A 2nd and 3rd round pick seems a bit light. Maybe a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year in a stronger draft.

I am just in the gym, I will respond to this when I've got a bit more time. Check back in like an hour 😆
- manvanfan

Don’t forget to use a spotter!

The broadcaster is being made fun of quite a bit right now from what I've read.
- Retinalz

Yeah, clearly stepped over the line. I’m sure Bruce knows the rules, but he’s still going to argue with the refs.

LH has quite the reputation in here!

Clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
- Argue4U

Do I detect an alt account?