We know, Benning or Rutherford haven't done it your way. 😆
- manvanfan

He’s not wrong, however, as you stated earlier, this is a watered-down league wide problem.

The Canucks have three AHL level defencemen in the lineup and one guy (Schenn) who should be about a #6 or #7 dman like he was in Tampa. The Canucks defence is atrocious. #notwinninganythingeverwiththatdefence

For me it’s not all just the number of minutes, but also the players they are playing with. For example, Pettersson with Höglander and Podkolzin has a certain expectation, with Pettersson being your “#1 C”… now I’m being cheeky there, but I think you know where I’m going with it.

If Podkolzin was playing with Lammikko and Motte, the expectation would be different IMO.

Also, I hate the “other teams” excuse. If your goal is to win a championship then you need to build a team where fewer rather than more of your players are playing above their current level.
- 1970vintage

I am just in the gym, I will respond to this when I've got a bit more time. Check back in like an hour 😆

I laugh every time I see that ridiculous stat thrown around.
- Marwood

Ya, it appears to be a fairly redundant stat. I have talked about it with a couple of my analytic buddies and they admit it is a stat that has more questions to it, than answers..

Here I thought all these stats were FACTS.

Lol

I laugh every time I see that ridiculous stat thrown around.
- Marwood

I don’t understand most of the x% etc, but I think it’s based on shot attempts and shooting % over time. So if player X takes 10 shots per 60 minutes and has a shooting % of 10%, then their expected goals per 69 minutes is 0.6.

He’s not wrong, however, as you stated earlier, this is a watered-down league wide problem.

The Canucks have three AHL level defencemen in the lineup and one guy (Schenn) who should be about a #6 or #7 dman like he was in Tampa. The Canucks defence is atrocious. #notwinninganythingeverwiththatdefence
- LeftCoaster

Time for a long overdue elimination of teams like the Coyotes.😁

Ya, it appears to be a fairly redundant stat. I have talked about it with a couple of my analytic buddies and they admit it is a stat that has more questions to it, than answers..

Here I thought all these stats were FACTS.

Lol
- Reubenkincade

Stats are never facts, they only help to predict the future. For example, +/- is generally regarded as “flawed”. Whatever, not important, but a player who is -42 on the season is more likely to get scored on than they are to score yes? It doesn’t mean that on their next shift they will definitely give up a goal.

Time for a long overdue elimination of teams like the Coyotes.😁
- Reubenkincade

Agree….the Jets/Coyotes organization has never been even remotely successful. We’re talking 42 years and not even a sniff at a Cup.

We know, Benning or Rutherford haven't done it your way. 😆
- manvanfan

Was just answering your question. I don't think Benning or Rutherford/Allvin have done it anyone's "way" on here, so not sure why you threw that in there?

He’s not wrong, however, as you stated earlier, this is a watered-down league wide problem.

The Canucks have three AHL level defencemen in the lineup and one guy (Schenn) who should be about a #6 or #7 dman like he was in Tampa. The Canucks defence is atrocious. #notwinninganythingeverwiththatdefence
- LeftCoaster

Every team is going to have guys playing "outside their role", it's part of the league, and finding the guys you can get to play in that larger role well is the hallmark of a good team/coach. Like you said, having that much of the D playing outside their role (not to mention outside their league) is not a recipe for Stanley Cup success.

Just STFU…your incessant stupidity is becoming an insult to Carol and her blogs! You’re dipping down into Nighthawk territory where even the stupid people think you’re stupid
- LeftCoaster

LH has quite the reputation in here!

Clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Sounds like Pettersson is still out tonight. Canucks need to catch Dallas, who are two points up with three games in hand, hopefully the Leafs can win tonight and the Canucks have a much better 60 minutes than they did against Tampa.

Sounds like Pettersson is still out tonight. Canucks need to catch Dallas, who are two points up with three games in hand, hopefully the Leafs can win tonight and the Canucks have a much better 60 minutes than they did against Tampa.
- LeftCoaster

Flagged.

Hoglander
Podkolzin at times
Richardson
Chiasson most times
Myers
Hamonic
Poolman most times
Hunt
Schenn at times
Burroughs at times
- NewYorkNuck

Guess I need a definition as too what "Playing outside their roles"

Is the definition the same for all players or just the ones you don't like or don't measure up in your mind.

But lets just start with the definition.

Flagged.
- Marwood

I know, it was painful to type that but that’s the reality of the situation.

I know, it was painful to type that but that’s the reality of the situation.
- LeftCoaster

Sometimes it's best to ignore those realities and pretend they are not happening.

Sometimes it's best to ignore those realities and pretend they are not happening.
- Marwood

We have many here who are very experienced at this.

Guess I need a definition as too what "Playing outside their roles"

Is the definition the same for all players or just the ones you don't like or don't measure up in your mind.

But lets just start with the definition.
- Makita

Just where I think they would/should be playing on a competitive team? Or where their current skill level fits "best" regardless of their contract? At least that's my understanding.

We all know my dislike for Myers, but that's mainly because he's used as a 2/3 against teams top lines, instead of something like a 4/5 against lesser competition, where he would probably excel much more and his skill would fit best.

Or Hamonic being a 6 instead of a 4. Richard being at best a 4C/W instead of the 3C he's been put as. Things like that.

Not that these players are necessarily bad, their just being played outside of their "optimal" role for extended periods... again, just my opinion, clearly everyone has their own. If people wanted to argue Petey Bo and Brock at points this year haven't played up to their roles I would understand that.

We have many here who are very experienced at this.
- NorthNuck

Can you explain Expected goals for/against, as I have a hard time with this particular stat. It appears to me like a very flawed stat.
Maybe it's just because I am stupid, or maybe it's because it is just a real bad stat.
- Reubenkincade

I think what you should probably go with is that your analytics friends are probably just tired of arguing with you over it and just concede to not have to listen to you talk about how right your eye test is.


Nobody but you claims that these stats are absolute facts.

He’s not wrong, however, as you stated earlier, this is a watered-down league wide problem.

The Canucks have three AHL level defencemen in the lineup and one guy (Schenn) who should be about a #6 or #7 dman like he was in Tampa. The Canucks defence is atrocious. #notwinninganythingeverwiththatdefence
- LeftCoaster

As I said, I agree for the most part.

Canucks defence could stand to have someone bump everyone down a spot for sure. Adding someone who can play at the highest level for 25 minutes a game would drastically change the defence. How do you get there or where does it come from is up to the GM.

For me it’s not all just the number of minutes, but also the players they are playing with. For example, Pettersson with Höglander and Podkolzin has a certain expectation, with Pettersson being your “#1 C”… now I’m being cheeky there, but I think you know where I’m going with it.

If Podkolzin was playing with Lammikko and Motte, the expectation would be different IMO.

Also, I hate the “other teams” excuse. If your goal is to win a championship then you need to build a team where fewer rather than more of your players are playing above their current level.
- 1970vintage

You are talking about players playing out of their roles. Podz plays with Lammi and Motte, are you going to bump Highmore up to play with Hogz and #1C in Petey?

Podz role in the future is probably the 3rd line Burrows, Hyman type player hopefully.

The team does need to improve. I would say right now they are playing at the current level of the roster.

As I said, I agree for the most part.

Canucks defence could stand to have someone bump everyone down a spot for sure. Adding someone who can play at the highest level for 25 minutes a game would drastically change the defence. How do you get there or where does it come from is up to the GM.
- manvanfan

Our old GM let those types walk for nothing. Hence the gaping holes. Zero succession.

Can't say I'm a fan of Marino, but at least he is a right shot defenseman

https://theprovince.com/s...fa-89a7-15318eaabe51/amp/
- Reubenkincade

He is, which as long as he’s an upgrade on Poolman, I’d be fine with, but more has to come with him if Boeser is going the other way.

Our old GM let those types walk for nothing. Hence the gaping holes. Zero succession.
- Load Management

And yet he had his fierce supporters.

Our old GM let those types walk for nothing. Hence the gaping holes. Zero succession.
- Load Management

That is why he is was fired. He did some good even though some will never ever give him credit for it. He did some bad that some will never ever let anyone forget it.

At the end of 7 and a tiny bit years, he didn't do enough to keep his job. Now another GM has come in to fix the parts that are broken.

To use the "other teams" excuse. 31 out of 32 teams have holes every year if the goal is to win a championship.

And yet he had his fierce supporters.
- Argue4U

They still miss him.