Did you hear Clarke during intermission about Sanheim? "He has to earn PP time". Meanwhile York is playing on the PP.
- MJL

I did not, and it's unfortunate if that's actually what was said.

Just something to ponder though.

Giroux, Voracek, Ghost now gone. Rumors of Provorov, Sanheim, and Konecny being moved.

Good for whoever is next to get out of this mess. This front office will not be able to hide forever, and people are waking up.

Speaking of what people realize. They are way more than a few tweaks away from being a contender. I love when people post that people don't realize something showing that they don't realize the reality.

You know why they've been in some games? Carter Hart.
- MJL

Hart is part of the equation to a turnaround though.

I did not, and it's unfortunate if that's actually what was said.

Just something to ponder though.

Giroux, Voracek, Ghost now gone. Rumors of Provorov, Sanheim, and Konecny being moved.

Good for whoever is next to get out of this mess. This front office will not be able to hide forever, and people are waking up.
- FlyerFan3260

You have to take comments made by guys other the the GM or coach with a grain of salt. Clarke was speaking in generalities. Most watching this team every game fully realize Sanheim has played well enough of late to fully deserve a look on the PP…it also helps that the PP currently sucks beyond explanation. Your spot on about the current FO. The NHL is a results based business. Clock is ticking on Fletch.

Seems Panthers have their group locked up, no draft picks left but they are young and have term on most of the right players. Maybe they move Hornquist, but I don’t see it being easy if they want to resign G, if not, it makes is wide open for G after the season

That guy is a clown
- rayc16

Not so sure about that. It’s a horrible season and then an underwhelming return for a player of this caliber, I’m sure Chuckie and Bobby have a lot of things to be defensive about.

You have to take comments made by guys other the the GM or coach with a grain of salt. Clarke was speaking in generalities. Most watching this team every game fully realize Sanheim has played well enough of late to fully deserve a look on the PP…it also helps that the PP currently sucks beyond explanation. Your spot on about the current FO. The NHL is a results based business. Clock is ticking on Fletch.
- landros 2

Fletcher is largely irrelevant. That might be some hyperbole, but let's say he goes. Briere steps in. Do you believe anything really changes with the other influences still very much whispering their thoughts to the team?

This is a front office problem, that goes beyond the GM.

I'd bet money that no matter what his performance Fletcher has a job lined up here for a long time. He can slide right on up to solely being president.

Speaking of what people realize. They are way more than a few tweaks away from being a contender. I love when people post that people don't realize something showing that they don't realize the reality.

You know why they've been in some games? Carter Hart.
- MJL

Well, as far as I know Hart will still be here. He will be part of the recovery although I remain concerned about his weak glove hand. Opinions vary.....I don't think a total rebuild is necessary. Look at Vegas. Got hammered with injuries and lost 5 in a row. Injuries are a very real part of the equation whether people want to use that as an excuse or not. Hell, look at Hayes. He's a totally different player now that he is truly recovered from injury. Couturier was a shell of the player that he really is until he finally admitted that he just couldn't play anymore. If Ellis is healthy all the defenders slot into better positions. We can agree to disagree, but I don't think my opinion isn't without merit.

Well, as far as I know Hart will still be here. He will be part of the recovery although I remain concerned about his weak glove hand. Opinions vary.....I don't think a total rebuild is necessary. Look at Vegas. Got hammered with injuries and lost 5 in a row. Injuries are a very real part of the equation whether people want to use that as an excuse or not. Hell, look at Hayes. He's a totally different player now that he is truly recovered from injury. Couturier was a shell of the player that he really is until he finally admitted that he just couldn't play anymore. If Ellis is healthy all the defenders slot into better positions. We can agree to disagree, but I don't think my opinion isn't without merit.
- Phillywhiteout

I think there is a lane that allows them to rebuild on the fly but it is a very narrow lane, CF needs to really think about it, if the lane is not there, don’t go all in to go all in. If not there, keep and collect picks or get young speed, bit by bit

Only 1 team wins the cup, the ones who think they are close will be looking for good trades to get to the next level. Then you will have teams who the cap is an issue or like the flames who seem to have a good amount of their upper end talent coming up for contracts

I think there is a lane that allows them to rebuild on the fly but it is a very narrow lane, CF needs to really think about it, if the lane is not there, don’t go all in to go all in. If not there, keep and collect picks or get young speed, bit by bit

Only 1 team wins the cup, the ones who think they are close will be looking for good trades to get to the next level. Then you will have teams who the cap is an issue or like the flames who seem to have a good amount of their upper end talent coming up for contracts
- wcorvette

That's the issue for me. It will take a very shrewd GM to navigate the troubled waters that they are in and I don't think Chucky is the guy, but I really don't think it is total doom and gloom. Personally, I think the Flyers are going to attempt to replace Giroux with Johnny hockey and I'm not sure that's a good move cause Johnny hockey is well known for going soft come playoff time.

I think there is a lane that allows them to rebuild on the fly but it is a very narrow lane, CF needs to really think about it, if the lane is not there, don’t go all in to go all in. If not there, keep and collect picks or get young speed, bit by bit

Only 1 team wins the cup, the ones who think they are close will be looking for good trades to get to the next level. Then you will have teams who the cap is an issue or like the flames who seem to have a good amount of their upper end talent coming up for contracts
- wcorvette

Here is a question.

How many other NHL organizations would have kept Fletcher employed to this point, and seemingly given him the reigns to next offseason?

That's the issue for me. It will take a very shrewd GM to navigate the troubled waters that they are in and I don't think Chucky is the guy, but I really don't think it is total doom and gloom. Personally, I think the Flyers are going to attempt to replace Giroux with Johnny hockey and I'm not sure that's a good move cause Johnny hockey is well known for going soft come playoff time.
- Phillywhiteout

Which is the issue, a big payday for Johnny is not good for the Flyers, don’t get me wrong, he has speed and skill but they need that at a cheaper price.

Which is the issue, a big payday for Johnny is not good for the Flyers, don’t get me wrong, he has speed and skill but they need that at a cheaper price.
- wcorvette

Agreed. It would be a delight to see someone with that skill set in a Flyers uniform, but he is having a career year and it will most likely come at a very steep price unless he takes a hometown discount cause he just wants to play in Philly that badly.

Here is a question.

How many other NHL organizations would have kept Fletcher employed to this point, and seemingly given him the reigns to next offseason?
- FlyerFan3260

The Wild.

Here is a question.

How many other NHL organizations would have kept Fletcher employed to this point, and seemingly given him the reigns to next offseason?
- FlyerFan3260

I don’t know if anyone can answer that question, everyone has an opinion. I do take the point that CF’s moves have not worked, I don’t think Injuries can be used as an excuse. Then, most guess CF has been given a mandate from above. That would be great, if they had the team makeup and cap to justify the mandate. At the end of the day, the guy who would fire him, gave him the mandate, in that scenario, my opinion, most GM’s would still be employed and one more bad run away from being fired

Doesn’t mean I agree with it, just the business side of it as i see it

Well, as far as I know Hart will still be here. He will be part of the recovery although I remain concerned about his weak glove hand. Opinions vary.....I don't think a total rebuild is necessary. Look at Vegas. Got hammered with injuries and lost 5 in a row. Injuries are a very real part of the equation whether people want to use that as an excuse or not. Hell, look at Hayes. He's a totally different player now that he is truly recovered from injury. Couturier was a shell of the player that he really is until he finally admitted that he just couldn't play anymore. If Ellis is healthy all the defenders slot into better positions. We can agree to disagree, but I don't think my opinion isn't without merit.
- Phillywhiteout

Vegas if healthy is a legit cup contender. The Flyers if healthy are not. I think stating that the Flyers need a tweak to reach the level of the top teams in the league is misguided in my opinion.

Tippett has played 94 NHL games in the 5 seasons since he's been drafted. His role is goal scorer and he's scored 14 goals in those 94 games. The team that drafted him with the 10th overall pick in his draft year just traded him while he was playing for their AHL farm team.

There is nothing "He'll be an NHL player for awhile" about any of that.
- snake17

Sean Couturier up to age 23: GP 350 G 56. Couturier turned out to be much better than that later. Give Tippett a chance.

I don’t know if anyone can answer that question, everyone has an opinion. I do take the point that CF’s moves have not worked, I don’t think Injuries can be used as an excuse. Then, most guess CF has been given a mandate from above. That would be great, if they had the team makeup and cap to justify the mandate. At the end of the day, the guy who would fire him, gave him the mandate, in that scenario, my opinion, most GM’s would still be employed and one more bad run away from being fired

Doesn’t mean I agree with it, just the business side of it as i see it
- wcorvette

I think Flyerfan 3260 has really hit it on the head and he has put some serious thought into my head about some things. He's kind of right that Fletcher is really irrelevant. As he has said previously, Fletcher is a yes man to the establishment. He works within the parameters that they demand from their GM. As long as Scott and the rest of the country club establishment are present, does it matter who the GM is? They won't accept a GM who goes against the grain of how they want to operate. They're an organization that lacks complete self awareness. The Flyers have put themselves into the worst position a team can be in. They commit to making moves and put themselves in a constant disadvantage. Good GM's don't make moves to make moves. They seek and wait for the right moves to make. The worst place a team can be is capped out and not being good enough. Everyone complains about the injuries but it's really a blessing in disguise. It's going to give them a top draft pick that they otherwise wouldn't have. When you combine that with bad coaching and ridiculously bad player development. You get the perfect cocktail of suckiness and dysfunction. Stuck in the 80's and lagging way behind the modern day NHL. Light years behind.

Sean Couturier up to age 23: GP 350 G 56. Couturier turned out to be much better than that later. Give Tippett a chance.
- Minnyhock

I agree, no reason not to. Although Couturier was immediately established as an everyday NHL player and was a strong checking center with decent ES numbers from the get go.

Vegas if healthy is a legit cup contender. The Flyers if healthy are not. I think stating that the Flyers need a tweak to reach the level of the top teams in the league is misguided in my opinion.
- MJL

That really wasn't my point. I'm well aware that Vegas is a true contender when healthy and that the Flyers are not. My point was that injuries are a contributing factor to success. I mean, the playoffs are really about a battle of attrition. The Flyers need tweak(s) by a shrewd GM. They certainly aren't one tweak away from being a true contender. Let's say the Flyers get Johnny Hockey in the off season and Tippett turns out to be a legit top 6 forward(not likely in my opinion). Your top 6 forwards would be Couturier, JH, Tippett, Hayes, Farabee and TK. Then you could have a healthy Allison and Laughton on the third line along with Lindblom. Ooops, I forgot about Atkinson. He obviously would slot into the top 6. Bump one of those third line guys to the fourth line. Looks like a pretty good three lines to me. If Ellis is healthy your top five defenders are Ellis, Provorov, Sanheim, Risto and York. That looks like a MUCH better team on paper than this year. Hell, just getting rid of Yandle and JVR makes this a much improved team!

I think Flyerfan 3260 has really hit it on the head and he has put some serious thought into my head about some things. He's kind of right that Fletcher is really irrelevant. As he has said previously, Fletcher is a yes man to the establishment. He works within the parameters that they demand from their GM. As long as Scott and the rest of the country club establishment are present, does it matter who the GM is? They won't accept a GM who goes against the grain of how they want to operate. They're an organization that lacks complete self awareness. The Flyers have put themselves into the worst position a team can be in. They commit to making moves and put themselves in a constant disadvantage. Good GM's don't make moves to make moves. They seek and wait for the right moves to make. The worst place a team can be is capped out and not being good enough. Everyone complains about the injuries but it's really a blessing in disguise. It's going to give them a top draft pick that they otherwise wouldn't have. When you combine that with bad coaching and ridiculously bad player development. You get the perfect cocktail of suckiness and dysfunction. Stuck in the 80's and lagging way behind the modern day NHL. Light years behind.
- MJL

They definitely took steps back not forward. You know I agree with the development and coaching, just ridiculous and tone deaf. I said before this season COULD be a blessing in disguise, unless the fxck it up even more.

How long until we hit rock bottom?

That really wasn't my point. I'm well aware that Vegas is a true contender when healthy and that the Flyers are not. My point was that injuries are a contributing factor to success. I mean, the playoffs are really about a battle of attrition. The Flyers need tweak(s) by a shrewd GM. They certainly aren't one tweak away from being a true contender. Let's say the Flyers get Johnny Hockey in the off season and Tippett turns out to be a legit top 6 forward(not likely in my opinion). Your top 6 forwards would be Couturier, JH, Tippett, Hayes, Farabee and TK. Then you could have a healthy Allison and Laughton on the third line along with Lindblom. Looks like a pretty good three lines to me. If Ellis is healthy your top five defenders are Ellis, Provorov, Sanheim, Risto and York. That looks like a MUCH better team on paper than this year. Hell, just getting rid of Yandle and JVR makes this a much improved team!
- Phillywhiteout

The Flyers don't need tweaks. They need a major influx of elite talent.

I agree, no reason not to. Although Couturier was immediately established as an everyday NHL player and was a strong checking center with decent ES numbers from the get go.
- MJL

The Flyers did the same thing with Couturier that the Wild did with Erickson-Ek.Pigeonholed as super checkers until they gave them a chance up in the lineup and found out they could do much more.

The Flyers did the same thing with Couturier that the Wild did with Erickson-Ek.Pigeonholed as super checkers until they gave them a chance up in the lineup and found out they could do much more.
- Minnyhock

Agreed.

The Flyers don't need tweaks. They need a major influx of elite talent.
- MJL

Then prepare to suck for another 5 to 10 years. I don't have the patience for that personally since they've already sucked for the last 10 years.