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LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Mar 22 @ 9:25 AM ET
Ouch at least now you have gone from the 1800 s to 1966 with your Crackerjacks . Whilst I do like a good challenge , I would prefer an opponent that is smarter than a box of Crackerjacks .

- VANTEL

Careful now...don't wanna get labelled a racist...

LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Mar 22 @ 9:29 AM ET
Goodnight everyone . Sweet dreams . This new management stinks .
- VANTEL

Yep it does. In and outside of the thread.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Mar 22 @ 9:30 AM ET
found my new team

#Knucker101

- Nucker101

Dude...say it isn't so. I heard Pam Anderson is heading to Vegas after the Kesler deal confirm?
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Mar 22 @ 9:32 AM ET
MacKinnon is so fast and powerful, why can’t we have nice things
- LeftCoaster

Good game to watch last night. Oil got the Bettman-point....
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Mar 22 @ 10:39 AM ET
Wow! Take a break for a bit and all hell breaks lose.
Was the trade that bad?

- K-man25

Depends who you ask.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K town
Joined: 09.02.2014

Mar 22 @ 10:40 AM ET
Depends who you ask.
- Marwood

Crazy!
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Mar 22 @ 10:40 AM ET
Y'all heard the man, shut the fuck up
- NewYorkNuck

VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Mar 22 @ 10:50 AM ET
Wow! Take a break for a bit and all hell breaks lose.
Was the trade that bad?

- K-man25


No kidding! It's adult daycare in here!

The sense of entitlement of some people is hilarious!
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Mar 22 @ 10:53 AM ET
Yep it does. In and outside of the thread.
- LordHumungous


This is an odd perspective for you. The guy who says the team is so good under Boudreau, wants to give them a chance thinks the new management group not making massive changes and giving them a chance are doing a poor job. So by following your advice they are doing poorly?

Did you think they should have traded for H.Lindholm and signed him to an 8 year deal?
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 22 @ 10:53 AM ET
What we’re hearing about how new Canucks management approached their first NHL trade deadline


The NHL trade deadline is a stressful time for NHL hockey operations departments. It’s a seemingly endless cacophony of phone calls and meetings, negotiations and planning conversations.

These are hard days in the business, at every level. And it’s doubly hard when your club’s president of hockey operations is sidelined by an untimely COVID-19 infection in the days before the deadline.

Jim Rutherford was able to continue working throughout his bout with the illness. He stayed in close contact with general manager Patrik Allvin and with the rest of the Vancouver Canucks’ new-look hockey operations department over the telephone through the NHL’s traditional silly season.

Nonetheless, Rutherford has been symptomatic and under the weather since entering COVID protocol last week. Famous for his high energy levels and hard-driving work ethic, by all accounts, Rutherford powered through the deadline and was deeply involved in shaping Vancouver’s activity.

The Canucks had a lot of balls in the air as the deadline loomed but ultimately opted for a more gradual, conservative approach.

The offers simply weren’t to their liking on any of their big ticket items. And they weren’t inclined to clear cap space for the sake of clearing cap space.
By Monday morning it was apparent that oft-speculated-about players like J.T. Miller and Brock Boeser and Luke Schenn were unlikely to move by the deadline. Ultimately no teams came particularly close to matching Vancouver’s ask for those players, or for Conor Garland.

The sort of significant deals that many expected out of the Canucks in the weeks leading up to deadline day were never close to materializing on Monday.
The major reason that Vancouver’s moves were ultimately prescribed on deadline day is that the club had time in their favour. To a man, Garland, Schenn, Boeser and Miller remain under team control beyond this season.

Rutherford and Allvin felt comfortable, accordingly, sticking to asking prices that rival teams never came particularly close to matching. When those prices weren’t met — and the prices paid for high-end forwards at the deadline was relatively modest, with only Brandon Hagel netting a truly premium return — they felt zero pressure to force the issue.

Don’t misinterpret Vancouver’s relatively quiet deadline, however, with a sense of satisfaction internally.

There’s a recognition that hard decisions lie ahead, that this team requires considerable work to get back on track. The club would very much have liked to carve out more cap space and add more young hockey players, if the right offers had been there.

New Canucks leadership recognizes that there’s a lack of talent and a lack of structure within the organization at present. That applies both to the way this club actually plays on the ice, and also to the way it prepares off of it.
The run the club has gone on under Bruce Boudreau has been fun. It’s given new management an opportunity to evaluate the players they’ve inherited in a positive environment, and in meaningful games.

And while the club didn’t make significant moves at the deadline, there’s a sense internally that they put in ground work, have a better gauge on how rival teams rate their players and of the market prices for some key Canucks veterans. The feeling is that work should pay off in the offseason.

More than anything else for Allvin, Rutherford and their key lieutenants in Vancouver’s new-look hockey operations department, there’s a recognition of how far this team still has to travel to get to the level they want. Monday was a start, but the organization itself recognizes it wasn’t much more than that.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Mar 22 @ 10:55 AM ET
Wow! Take a break for a bit and all hell breaks lose.
Was the trade that bad?

- K-man25


One was good, one was the worst in the history of the NHL the other was not far behind. At least that’s how it sounds.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Mar 22 @ 10:58 AM ET
What we’re hearing about how new Canucks management approached their first NHL trade deadline


The NHL trade deadline is a stressful time for NHL hockey operations departments.
It’s a seemingly endless cacophony of phone calls and meetings, negotiations and planning conversations.
These are hard days in the business, at every level.
And it’s doubly hard when your club’s president of hockey operations is sidelined by an untimely COVID-19 infection in the days before the deadline.
Jim Rutherford was able to continue working throughout his bout with the illness. He stayed in close contact with general manager Patrik Allvin and with the rest of the Vancouver Canucks’ new-look hockey operations department over the telephone through the NHL’s traditional silly season.
Nonetheless, Rutherford has been symptomatic and under the weather since entering COVID protocol last week. Famous for his high energy levels and hard-driving work ethic, by all accounts, Rutherford powered through the deadline and was deeply involved in shaping Vancouver’s activity.
The Canucks had a lot of balls in the air as the deadline loomed but ultimately opted for a more gradual, conservative approach.
The offers simply weren’t to their liking on any of their big ticket items. And they weren’t inclined to clear cap space for the sake of clearing cap space.
By Monday morning it was apparent that oft-speculated-about players like J.T. Miller and Brock Boeser and Luke Schenn were unlikely to move by the deadline. Ultimately no teams came particularly close to matching Vancouver’s ask for those players, or for Conor Garland.
The sort of significant deals that many expected out of the Canucks in the weeks leading up to deadline day were never close to materializing on Monday.
The major reason that Vancouver’s moves were ultimately prescribed on deadline day is that the club had time in their favour. To a man, Garland, Schenn, Boeser and Miller remain under team control beyond this season.
Rutherford and Allvin felt comfortable, accordingly, sticking to asking prices that rival teams never came particularly close to matching. When those prices weren’t met — and the prices paid for high-end forwards at the deadline was relatively modest, with only Brandon Hagel netting a truly premium return — they felt zero pressure to force the issue.
Don’t misinterpret Vancouver’s relatively quiet deadline, however, with a sense of satisfaction internally.
There’s a recognition that hard decisions lie ahead, that this team requires considerable work to get back on track. The club would very much have liked to carve out more cap space and add more young hockey players, if the right offers had been there.
New Canucks leadership recognizes that there’s a lack of talent and a lack of structure within the organization at present. That applies both to the way this club actually plays on the ice, and also to the way it prepares off of it.
The run the club has gone on under Bruce Boudreau has been fun. It’s given new management an opportunity to evaluate the players they’ve inherited in a positive environment, and in meaningful games.
And while the club didn’t make significant moves at the deadline, there’s a sense internally that they put in ground work, have a better gauge on how rival teams rate their players and of the market prices for some key Canucks veterans. The feeling is that work should pay off in the offseason.
More than anything else for Allvin, Rutherford and their key lieutenants in Vancouver’s new-look hockey operations department, there’s a recognition of how far this team still has to travel to get to the level they want. Monday was a start, but the organization itself recognizes it wasn’t much more than that.

- LeftCoaster


Thanks for sharing
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Mar 22 @ 11:00 AM ET
What we’re hearing about how new Canucks management approached their first NHL trade deadline


The NHL trade deadline is a stressful time for NHL hockey operations departments. It’s a seemingly endless cacophony of phone calls and meetings, negotiations and planning conversations.

These are hard days in the business, at every level. And it’s doubly hard when your club’s president of hockey operations is sidelined by an untimely COVID-19 infection in the days before the deadline.

Jim Rutherford was able to continue working throughout his bout with the illness. He stayed in close contact with general manager Patrik Allvin and with the rest of the Vancouver Canucks’ new-look hockey operations department over the telephone through the NHL’s traditional silly season.

Nonetheless, Rutherford has been symptomatic and under the weather since entering COVID protocol last week. Famous for his high energy levels and hard-driving work ethic, by all accounts, Rutherford powered through the deadline and was deeply involved in shaping Vancouver’s activity.

The Canucks had a lot of balls in the air as the deadline loomed but ultimately opted for a more gradual, conservative approach.

The offers simply weren’t to their liking on any of their big ticket items. And they weren’t inclined to clear cap space for the sake of clearing cap space.
By Monday morning it was apparent that oft-speculated-about players like J.T. Miller and Brock Boeser and Luke Schenn were unlikely to move by the deadline. Ultimately no teams came particularly close to matching Vancouver’s ask for those players, or for Conor Garland.

The sort of significant deals that many expected out of the Canucks in the weeks leading up to deadline day were never close to materializing on Monday.
The major reason that Vancouver’s moves were ultimately prescribed on deadline day is that the club had time in their favour. To a man, Garland, Schenn, Boeser and Miller remain under team control beyond this season.

Rutherford and Allvin felt comfortable, accordingly, sticking to asking prices that rival teams never came particularly close to matching. When those prices weren’t met — and the prices paid for high-end forwards at the deadline was relatively modest, with only Brandon Hagel netting a truly premium return — they felt zero pressure to force the issue.

Don’t misinterpret Vancouver’s relatively quiet deadline, however, with a sense of satisfaction internally.

There’s a recognition that hard decisions lie ahead, that this team requires considerable work to get back on track. The club would very much have liked to carve out more cap space and add more young hockey players, if the right offers had been there.

New Canucks leadership recognizes that there’s a lack of talent and a lack of structure within the organization at present. That applies both to the way this club actually plays on the ice, and also to the way it prepares off of it.
The run the club has gone on under Bruce Boudreau has been fun. It’s given new management an opportunity to evaluate the players they’ve inherited in a positive environment, and in meaningful games.

And while the club didn’t make significant moves at the deadline, there’s a sense internally that they put in ground work, have a better gauge on how rival teams rate their players and of the market prices for some key Canucks veterans. The feeling is that work should pay off in the offseason.

More than anything else for Allvin, Rutherford and their key lieutenants in Vancouver’s new-look hockey operations department, there’s a recognition of how far this team still has to travel to get to the level they want. Monday was a start, but the organization itself recognizes it wasn’t much more than that.

- LeftCoaster

Thanks for posting that.
Jkuzzi
Joined: 12.14.2016

Mar 22 @ 11:02 AM ET
What we’re hearing about how new Canucks management approached their first NHL trade deadline


The NHL trade deadline is a stressful time for NHL hockey operations departments. It’s a seemingly endless cacophony of phone calls and meetings, negotiations and planning conversations.

These are hard days in the business, at every level. And it’s doubly hard when your club’s president of hockey operations is sidelined by an untimely COVID-19 infection in the days before the deadline.

Jim Rutherford was able to continue working throughout his bout with the illness. He stayed in close contact with general manager Patrik Allvin and with the rest of the Vancouver Canucks’ new-look hockey operations department over the telephone through the NHL’s traditional silly season.

Nonetheless, Rutherford has been symptomatic and under the weather since entering COVID protocol last week. Famous for his high energy levels and hard-driving work ethic, by all accounts, Rutherford powered through the deadline and was deeply involved in shaping Vancouver’s activity.

The Canucks had a lot of balls in the air as the deadline loomed but ultimately opted for a more gradual, conservative approach.

The offers simply weren’t to their liking on any of their big ticket items. And they weren’t inclined to clear cap space for the sake of clearing cap space.
By Monday morning it was apparent that oft-speculated-about players like J.T. Miller and Brock Boeser and Luke Schenn were unlikely to move by the deadline. Ultimately no teams came particularly close to matching Vancouver’s ask for those players, or for Conor Garland.

The sort of significant deals that many expected out of the Canucks in the weeks leading up to deadline day were never close to materializing on Monday.
The major reason that Vancouver’s moves were ultimately prescribed on deadline day is that the club had time in their favour. To a man, Garland, Schenn, Boeser and Miller remain under team control beyond this season.

Rutherford and Allvin felt comfortable, accordingly, sticking to asking prices that rival teams never came particularly close to matching. When those prices weren’t met — and the prices paid for high-end forwards at the deadline was relatively modest, with only Brandon Hagel netting a truly premium return — they felt zero pressure to force the issue.

Don’t misinterpret Vancouver’s relatively quiet deadline, however, with a sense of satisfaction internally.

There’s a recognition that hard decisions lie ahead, that this team requires considerable work to get back on track. The club would very much have liked to carve out more cap space and add more young hockey players, if the right offers had been there.

New Canucks leadership recognizes that there’s a lack of talent and a lack of structure within the organization at present. That applies both to the way this club actually plays on the ice, and also to the way it prepares off of it.
The run the club has gone on under Bruce Boudreau has been fun. It’s given new management an opportunity to evaluate the players they’ve inherited in a positive environment, and in meaningful games.

And while the club didn’t make significant moves at the deadline, there’s a sense internally that they put in ground work, have a better gauge on how rival teams rate their players and of the market prices for some key Canucks veterans. The feeling is that work should pay off in the offseason.

More than anything else for Allvin, Rutherford and their key lieutenants in Vancouver’s new-look hockey operations department, there’s a recognition of how far this team still has to travel to get to the level they want. Monday was a start, but the organization itself recognizes it wasn’t much more than that.

- LeftCoaster



Do you think they asked Vantel if they should deal JT?
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 22 @ 11:02 AM ET
Thanks for sharing
- NewYorkNuck

I expect significantly more movement during the next 12 months. Takes time to build in today’s game. Benning left the organization cap strapped, which exacerbates the difficulty of player movement.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Mar 22 @ 11:04 AM ET
Finest Call premium Bloody Mary mix is pre-seasoned, better than Clamato. I’m good. Cheers 🍺🇺🇸
- LeftCoaster

Merica 🇺🇸 🥂🇺🇸❤️❤️
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Mar 22 @ 11:05 AM ET
I expect significantly more movement during the next 12 months. Takes time to build in today’s game. Benning left the organization cap strapped, which exacerbates the difficulty of player movement.
- LeftCoaster


8 Years wasn't enough?
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 22 @ 11:06 AM ET
Do you think they asked Vantel if they should deal JT?
- Jkuzzi

I don’t think he’s given them enough time, it’s gonna take time to re-shape the roster. Rutherford and Allvin have a ton of NHL experience between them and unlike Jim Benning or Mike Gillis I believe they’re respected around the league. People just need to give it some time.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 22 @ 11:06 AM ET
8 Years wasn't enough?
- VanHockeyGuy

Apparently if you have no plans or really have no clue what you’re doing, then no
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 22 @ 11:07 AM ET
Merica 🇺🇸 🥂🇺🇸❤️❤️
- CanuckDon

96°F on Saturday…..da fuq
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Mar 22 @ 11:07 AM ET
Do you think they asked Vantel if they should deal JT?
- Jkuzzi

NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Mar 22 @ 11:08 AM ET
I expect significantly more movement during the next 12 months. Takes time to build in today’s game. Benning left the organization cap strapped, which exacerbates the difficulty of player movement.
- LeftCoaster


Allvin has been here less than 2 months, by summer he should have a better grasp on individual players worth on to the team and in the league. Hopefully a few of these teams that "should" be competing for the cup stumble and get desperate in the off-season.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Mar 22 @ 11:10 AM ET
Apparently if you have no plans or really have no clue what you’re doing, then no
- LeftCoaster


Allvin got a 4th for a player who was going to leave.

Benning over-payed in trades and let players walk into free agency instead of trading them for assets.

Allvin did well yesterday.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: K town
Joined: 09.02.2014

Mar 22 @ 11:10 AM ET
No kidding! It's adult daycare in here!

The sense of entitlement of some people is hilarious!

- VanHockeyGuy

Still in Melaque? Was heading there but just booked a boutique hotel in Guadalajara for a few nights instead?
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Mar 22 @ 11:11 AM ET
Allvin got a 4th for a player who was going to leave.

Benning over-payed in trades and let players walk into free agency instead of trading them for assets.

Allvin did well yesterday.

- VanHockeyGuy

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