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Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Mar 23 @ 9:22 AM ET
The issue is not whether or not the player had an NTC - that is clear. It is whether or not Ottawa disclosed the accurate NTC list to Vegas when the trade went down.

Friedman has confirmed the NTC paperwork was filed properly and on time on June 30th 2021 - I don't know how this process works, but I believe the question becomes one of miscommunication or worse, misrepresentation of fact. I believe that's why we are still waiting on this.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 9:30 AM ET
FORWARDS (16 - $26,460,750) YEARS REMAINING TERMS POS STATUS ACQUIRED AGE CAP% 2021-22 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27
Henrique, Adam 3 UFA M-NTC C, LW NHL Trade 32 7.1 $5,825,000 $5,825,000 $5,825,000
UFA
Dadonov, Evgeni 2 UFA M-NTC RW, LW NHL Trade 33 6.1 $5,000,000 $5,000,000
UFA

CapF is showing Dadonov on Anaheim roster. The M-NTC is clearly noted. I suspect the only delay in announcing the final disposition of his grievance is about who is going to pay Dadanov for the extra taxes he will need to pay in California.

- spatso


I'm told the league is losing their minds right now with this mess. The only he's on the ANA roster is because it was in the central registry queue. Until the league makes a decision, he has to remain on the roster of who his rights were dealt.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 9:31 AM ET
The issue is not whether or not the player had an NTC - that is clear. It is whether or not Ottawa disclosed the accurate NTC list to Anaheim when the trade went down.

Friedman has confirmed the NTC paperwork was filed properly and on time on June 30th 2021 - I don't know how this process works, but I believe the question becomes one of miscommunication or worse, misrepresentation of fact. I believe that's why we are still waiting on this.

- Bartacus


Yup you nailed it. I was told the PD has told everyone in the org, AHL or NHL connected to Ottawa to remain radio silent and no leaking anything to the media or their job is on the line. Going to be interesting how the league does this as it will set a hell of a precedent.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 23 @ 9:35 AM ET
The issue is not whether or not the player had an NTC - that is clear. It is whether or not Ottawa disclosed the accurate NTC list to Anaheim when the trade went down.

Friedman has confirmed the NTC paperwork was filed properly and on time on June 30th 2021 - I don't know how this process works, but I believe the question becomes one of miscommunication or worse, misrepresentation of fact. I believe that's why we are still waiting on this.

- Bartacus


Either the M-NTC is enabled in the contract or it is not. This is Vegas saying we did not know this was in the contract 9 months ago and now (9 months later) we still have not reviewed the contract.

Or, are the alleging that someone falsified documents. Or, that someone purposely lied to them. There was no pressure or urgency when they did the deal with Ottawa. Maybe Vegas just plain screwed up.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 23 @ 9:40 AM ET
Yup you nailed it. I was told the PD has told everyone in the org, AHL or NHL connected to Ottawa to remain radio silent and no leaking anything to the media or their job is on the line. Going to be interesting how the league does this as it will set a hell of a precedent.
- Kevin Francis


You know that Bettman has threatened everyone about saying anything. The silence from Vegas is most apparent.


Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 9:45 AM ET
You know that Bettman has threatened everyone about saying anything. The silence from Vegas is most apparent.
- spatso


I saw the email that went out to the Sens staff. I wish I could share more. But it's going to be very interesting how it shakes out. The NHL doesn't want to make either team look bad as the league knows this could cost people their jobs.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 23 @ 9:57 AM ET
I saw the email that went out to the Sens staff. I wish I could share more. But it's going to be very interesting how it shakes out. The NHL doesn't want to make either team look bad as the league knows this could cost people their jobs.
- Kevin Francis


I assume this is pretty basic contract law. Buyer beware is always the first principle.

The contract says what the contract says. And if the contract does not provide for something it does matter.

Unless Ottawa purposely deceived Vegas (altered documents). There is nothing here.

Just show us the contract.

Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 10:13 AM ET
I assume this is pretty basic contract law. Buyer beware is always the first principle.

The contract says what the contract says. And if the contract does not provide for something it does matter.

Unless Ottawa purposely deceived Vegas (altered documents). There is nothing here.

Just show us the contract.

- spatso


If everything goes to central registry in NY. This wouldn't be dragging if there wasn't something more to it, I was told if it was cut and dry it would've been figured out on Monday night. But it's not and here we are approaching lunch on Wednesday. There is something here, you better believe it, otherwise the case would've been closed by now! The NHL doesn't want egg on their face either or something like this lingering in the media with many speculating.
spazzbot
Location: Maple Zombie
Joined: 02.14.2013

Mar 23 @ 10:48 AM ET
I assume this is pretty basic contract law. Buyer beware is always the first principle.

The contract says what the contract says. And if the contract does not provide for something it does matter.

Unless Ottawa purposely deceived Vegas (altered documents). There is nothing here.

Just show us the contract.

- spatso


I may finally agree with you. Seems straight forward unless document fraud was committed. Where is the agent ?
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

Mar 23 @ 11:10 AM ET
I'm told the league is losing their minds right now with this mess. The only he's on the ANA roster is because it was in the central registry queue. Until the league makes a decision, he has to remain on the roster of who his rights were dealt.
- Kevin Francis


Someone is getting fired, whether it be a GM from the teams involved, the player agent, or someone in NHL head office.

**** crosses fingers, muttering "please let it be dorion, please let it be..."
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Mar 23 @ 11:23 AM ET
Someone is getting fired, whether it be a GM from the teams involved, the player agent, or someone in NHL head office.

**** crosses fingers, muttering "please let it be dorion, please let it be..."

- GrimmdaGoalie


Vegas claims Ottawa told them Dadonov hadn't submitted his list on time. Besides being false, this is wierd to begin with, I've never heard of this happening.

It could be a major miscommunication, but if Vegas is right, I'd be woried about punitive measures against the Sens in draft pick forfiture depending on how bad it was.

I still think this falls on the league for the most part. From what I understand, these NTC lists don't need to be submitted any kind of central registry.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 12:06 PM ET
Someone is getting fired, whether it be a GM from the teams involved, the player agent, or someone in NHL head office.

**** crosses fingers, muttering "please let it be dorion, please let it be..."

- GrimmdaGoalie


Exactly, wouldn't that be found GOLD!
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 12:07 PM ET
Vegas claims Ottawa told them Dadonov hadn't submitted his list on time. Besides being false, this is wierd to begin with, I've never heard of this happening.

It could be a major miscommunication, but if Vegas is right, I'd be woried about punitive measures against the Sens in draft pick forfiture depending on how bad it was.

I still think this falls on the league for the most part. From what I understand, these NTC lists don't need to be submitted any kind of central registry.

- david22


There are so many stories out there, the league looks bad, both teams look bad, both GM's look bad! The longer this goes, the worse it will be for Ottawa in my eyes.
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Mar 23 @ 12:22 PM ET
Just took a look at the Paul goal for Tampa. Man does he ever look different! Really happy. Good for him. Wish him well.

If Bettman sees an opportunity to keep a high pick out of Canada then Vegas may get away with their little scam. He certainly won't want to harm the Vegas market.
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Mar 23 @ 12:31 PM ET
Unless there was some kind of clause preventing multiple trades within the same contract year, then I'm honestly not sure what they're looking for. Vegas had over 7 months to familiarize themselves with the contract terms (and trade limitations) of one of their active roster players. Any clauses to that extent would have been right there in black and white, as would have been the expectation to provide a 10-team no-trade list. The real problem here is that Vegas clearly didn't breathe a word of this to Dadonov, which is exactly the way they handled Fleury. Maybe if they treated their players with a modicum of respect, and actually told them a trade might be necessary (which most NHL players could take in stride), these things wouldn't come down to such an embarrassing last-second crisis.

Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 12:52 PM ET
Just took a look at the Paul goal for Tampa. Man does he ever look different! Really happy. Good for him. Wish him well.

If Bettman sees an opportunity to keep a high pick out of Canada then Vegas may get away with their little scam. He certainly won't want to harm the Vegas market.

- Whatisavailable



Discussion continued in my new blog guys. Ottawa might be at fault here. Darren Dreger put out an interesting tweet.
Kevin Francis
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 07.21.2021

Mar 23 @ 12:52 PM ET
Unless there was some kind of clause preventing multiple trades within the same contract year, then I'm honestly not sure what they're looking for. Vegas had over 7 months to familiarize themselves with the contract terms (and trade limitations) of one of their active roster players. Any clauses to that extent would have been right there in black and white, as would have been the expectation to provide a 10-team no-trade list. The real problem here is that Vegas clearly didn't breathe a word of this to Dadonov, which is exactly the way they handled Fleury. Maybe if they treated their players with a modicum of respect, and actually told them a trade might be necessary (which most NHL players could take in stride), these things wouldn't come down to such an embarrassing last-second crisis.
- khawk


That is the word on the street, no doubt about Vegas and how they treat players!
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Mar 23 @ 7:25 PM ET
The issue is not whether or not the player had an NTC - that is clear. It is whether or not Ottawa disclosed the accurate NTC list to Vegas when the trade went down.

Friedman has confirmed the NTC paperwork was filed properly and on time on June 30th 2021 - I don't know how this process works, but I believe the question becomes one of miscommunication or worse, misrepresentation of fact. I believe that's why we are still waiting on this.

- Bartacus

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