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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 22 @ 12:42 PM ET
I don't have to share anything, everything is there for you to read if you actually cared to. Whether you know it or not, you are in the complete minority in terms of your view of Risto compared to the rest of the hockey community.
- jd250


Speaking of embarrassing.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Mar 22 @ 12:42 PM ET
https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flyers


So as things stand today flyers with little over 8 million in cap space for next season. With 13 players signed. If I am reading that correctly.

- hello it's me 2050


Flyers have pretty much a full roster.

Tippett and Frost are RFA. Wouldnt really expect any raise for them.

Need 2 4th line wingers

3rd pair RD

Backup G

Replacement for Giroux.

JVR and Konecny likely on their way out 7mill+5.5mill.

Cap space shouldnt be an issue.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Mar 22 @ 12:42 PM ET
A cap strapped league bottom feeder with inept management. Exactly where you want to be.
- PLindbergh31


You saw his plan as well!!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 22 @ 12:43 PM ET
Part of doing that basic research is knowing and understanding what sample size means.
- MJL

The point is I challenge anyone to show me that Sanheim's and Risto's metrics are really that different. I just quickly ran by the last 3 games which I know is not a good sample size to illustrates a point.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 22 @ 12:44 PM ET
If you truly believe what you say about Risto, then everyone else who actually has a job in the NHL is completely wrong and really have no idea how to evaluate, develop and coach players. Because apparently, only some people on this forum and the entire free analytics community think Risto is a bad player and a loser.
- jd250


You have no self awareness. Now you're trying to float this fantasy fallacy that the hockey community thinks differently of Ristolainen.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 22 @ 12:44 PM ET
Flyers have pretty much a full roster.

Tippett and Frost are RFA. Wouldnt really expect any raise for them.

Need 2 4th line wingers

3rd pair RD

Backup G

Replacement for Giroux.

JVR and Konecny likely on their way out 7mill+5.5mill.

Cap space shouldnt be an issue.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I think the Flyers also need 1 more top 6 winger with high end talent.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 22 @ 12:45 PM ET
You have no self awareness. Now you're trying to float this fantasy fallacy that the hockey community thinks differently of Ristolainen.
- MJL

They do! The only fantasy here is people like yourself who just don't want to look at things objectively.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 22 @ 12:45 PM ET
Flyers have pretty much a full roster.

Tippett and Frost are RFA. Wouldnt really expect any raise for them.

Need 2 4th line wingers

3rd pair RD

Backup G

Replacement for Giroux.

JVR and Konecny likely on their way out 7mill+5.5mill.

Cap space shouldnt be an issue.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


So you think that the Flyers will not have to retain salary or take any salaries back in a potential trade of JVR or Konecny?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 22 @ 12:46 PM ET
If it doesn't turn around significantly next season Fletcher will be fired, so who are you looking at as the next GM of this team?
- jd250

Is this a trick question?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 22 @ 12:46 PM ET
They do! The only fantasy here is people like yourself who just don't want to look at things objectively.
- jd250


Okay, give me one outside non Flyer legitimate source who speaks differently of Ristolainen.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 22 @ 12:48 PM ET
If you truly believe what you say about Risto, then everyone else who actually has a job in the NHL is completely wrong and really have no idea how to evaluate, develop and coach players. Because apparently, only some people on this forum and the entire free analytics community think Risto is a bad player and a loser.
- jd250


Are you aware at all in anyway how RR is viewed around the league? Schit didn't dinosaur Brian Burke even say he was bad? Someone posted a link few weeks back.

I believe he is a bottom pairing dman who can step once in a while into a 2nd pair role. He has value as bottom pair guy making say 3 million per. He does not have value at 5.1 playing over 20 minutes a night.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 22 @ 12:48 PM ET
Yes, I wanted the Flyers to make a deal for Newhook or Lundell, because these players have the potential to be top centers for years to come. I wanted multiple teams bidding, I wanted G to extend with the teams and I wanted the Flyers to throw in other players to make the deal happen, for example one proposal was to trade both G and Risto to Colorado for Newhook. I never, ever posted that I expected the Flyers to get either player for just G as a rental. Its just more fraudulent banter from you creating false narratives about other posters. How small and insignificant you are ...
- jd250

Please stop posting
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 22 @ 12:49 PM ET
The point is I challenge anyone to show me that Sanheim's and Risto's metrics are really that different. I just quickly ran by the last 3 games which I know is not a good sample size to illustrates a point.
- jd250

So go back and do your homework, why in the world would you go and look at 3 games knowing it’s not a good sample size?
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Mar 22 @ 12:50 PM ET
If this were true, then how do you account for Sanheim having terrific numbers while being on the same pair w/ Risto?

How about Dahlin having good numbers despite playing behind the same sad sack Buffalo teams?

- Tomahawk


Eye test shows Sanheim is not doing as well as the "numbers" suggest. Many times Sanheim is the culprit of a turnover especially when a play is up close and outmuscles him.

Both Sanheim and Ristolainen have shown improvements over the last couple weeks
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 22 @ 12:51 PM ET
Flyers have pretty much a full roster.

Tippett and Frost are RFA. Wouldnt really expect any raise for them.

Need 2 4th line wingers

3rd pair RD

Backup G

Replacement for Giroux.

JVR and Konecny likely on their way out 7mill+5.5mill.

Cap space shouldnt be an issue.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The flyers love fans like you.

How is the cap not an issue when you need to bring in top end talent?

Frost and Tippet will get a raise even if small as isn't that part of the arbitration/qualifying them process?
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Mar 22 @ 12:53 PM ET
Flyers have pretty much a full roster.

Tippett and Frost are RFA. Wouldnt really expect any raise for them.

Need 2 4th line wingers

3rd pair RD

Backup G

Replacement for Giroux.

JVR and Konecny likely on their way out 7mill+5.5mill.

Cap space shouldnt be an issue.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Could be but shouldn't be. There are some significant holes that need to be filled.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: hockeybuzz superfan, QC
Joined: 01.10.2015

Mar 22 @ 12:54 PM ET
So you are agreeing with someone by telling them they are wrong and that you are right.

?

- Shrike


it's the MJL special!
atibus
Joined: 06.23.2011

Mar 22 @ 12:59 PM ET
it's the MJL special!
- black_francis


It's about being righter.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Mar 22 @ 1:00 PM ET
The point is I challenge anyone to show me that Sanheim's and Risto's metrics are really that different. I just quickly ran by the last 3 games which I know is not a good sample size to illustrates a point.
- jd250


rr -season

xGF xGA E+/-
42.5 46.4 -3.9

Career
383.5 457.0 -73.6

ts - season

50.9 48.1 2.8

career

229.4 214.2 15.2

larger sample size proves that the sample you provided is crap
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Mar 22 @ 1:00 PM ET
So you think that the Flyers will not have to retain salary or take any salaries back in a potential trade of JVR or Konecny?
- MJL


JVR maybe. Konecny no.

Doesnt matter. What do you think the Flyers are spending to replace these guys?

Frost and Tippet probably 850k
Two 4th line players and a RHD at 750k
Backup G 2 mill

Thats 5.95 mill/8 = 2mill approx space left over

Konecny is a young player signed at a reasonable price. No reason to to take cap or Contract back unless he's a piece of a bigger add.

JVR you probably need to retain 3 mill. Thats still 4 mill of free space + 5.5 mill from Konecny.

That would leave us with approx 11 mill of space to work with assuming we didnt package for a top line player
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Mar 22 @ 1:01 PM ET
Eye test shows Sanheim is not doing as well as the "numbers" suggest. Many times Sanheim is the culprit of a turnover especially when a play is up close and outmuscles him.

Both Sanheim and Ristolainen have shown improvements over the last couple weeks

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Sanheim is quite the conundrum because he overperforms based on what he's paid whilst simultaneously underperforms based on his known skill level.

Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 22 @ 1:02 PM ET
... I read all the articles and reports about the potential trading of G and NOT one of them stated Florida was the only team involved, not a single one!
- jd250


Obviously we never heard/read anything official. Anything I read/heard talked about Florida or Colorado as being the likely destination, with the return being basically what did happen.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 22 @ 1:07 PM ET
Obviously we never heard/read anything official. Anything I read/heard talked about Florida or Colorado as being the likely destination, with the return being basically what did happen.
- Scoob

fcs
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Mar 22 @ 1:08 PM ET
JVR maybe. Konecny no.

Doesnt matter. What do you think the Flyers are spending to replace these guys?

Frost and Tippet probably 850k
Two 4th line players and a RHD at 750k
Backup G 2 mill

Thats 5.95 mill/8 = 2mill approx space left over

Konecny is a young player signed at a reasonable price. No reason to to take cap or Contract back unless he's a piece of a bigger add.

JVR you probably need to retain 3 mill. Thats still 4 mill of free space + 5.5 mill from Konecny.

That would leave us with approx 11 mill of space to work with assuming we didnt package for a top line player

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Fletcher is going to have to bend over to unload JVR on another team. Eating salary and attaching picks is the start. He will probably do something dumb like buy him out.

Also why trade Konecny? Who are you replacing him with at that cap hit?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 22 @ 1:10 PM ET
JVR maybe. Konecny no.

Doesnt matter. What do you think the Flyers are spending to replace these guys?

Frost and Tippet probably 850k
Two 4th line players and a RHD at 750k
Backup G 2 mill

Thats 5.95 mill/8 = 2mill approx space left over

Konecny is a young player signed at a reasonable price. No reason to to take cap or Contract back unless he's a piece of a bigger add.

JVR you probably need to retain 3 mill. Thats still 4 mill of free space + 5.5 mill from Konecny.

That would leave us with approx 11 mill of space to work with assuming we didnt package for a top line player

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

that wont likely happen. Wade and Tanner who have a good shot to be on the roster are over 900k and will likely get a small raise to qualify them; unless they sign for less. Any of the potential college guys will also be over 900k.

If TK is traded they are getting player back. Or do you think he is traded for picks?
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