JVR maybe. Konecny no.

Doesnt matter. What do you think the Flyers are spending to replace these guys?

Frost and Tippet probably 850k
Two 4th line players and a RHD at 750k
Backup G 2 mill

Thats 5.95 mill/8 = 2mill approx space left over

Konecny is a young player signed at a reasonable price. No reason to to take cap or Contract back unless he's a piece of a bigger add.

JVR you probably need to retain 3 mill. Thats still 4 mill of free space + 5.5 mill from Konecny.

That would leave us with approx 11 mill of space to work with assuming we didnt package for a top line player
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Frost and Tippett are not taking paycuts. They will both get the minimum 10% raise at least and I would imagine they both come in a slightly over 1.0 aav for multiple years.

The flyers love fans like you.

How is the cap not an issue when you need to bring in top end talent?

Frost and Tippet will get a raise even if small as isn't that part of the arbitration/qualifying them process?
- hello it's me 2050

If they qualify for arbitration. I dont think they do. Even so what have they done to really win an arbitration hearing?

They need top end talent but realistically they can only add one top end player without subtracting more from the current lineup.

Fletcher stated top end talent is acquired from the draft. Im not really expecting a blockbuster trade. Maybe they try to sign a guy like Gaudreau if available via FA but Fletcher stance seems like he's going to look to the draft.

I would expect the 2024 1st to be packaged to move up to a 2023 draft. I dont think its unreasonable to believe the Flyers look for a bargain bin FA to replace Giroux. Aside from Giroux or Gaudreau theres not much out there in terms of big names.

They could go after Forsberg, Perron, Palat, Domi, Rakell, Copp, Rust ect which would be considerably less than Gaudreau

I just want to know what numbers you are looking at, that's all. Because the numbers I look at say Sanheim and Risto are about the same. For example, just taking the last 3 games played, here are some numbers that I consider:

SANHEIM RISTO
SAT-F 59 62
SAT-A 75 77
CF% 43.6 44
CREL% -3.2 -2.5
AvgTOI 21 22
HITS 2 6
BLOCKS 11 8
- jd250

Those numbers aren't so useful. They just measure raw shot volume while on ice. That was all we had to go on years ago, but these days you'll want to look at Expected Goals (xG) and Wins Above Replacement (WAR) models to get a better picture of player value and player differences. You're not gonna find that stuff on NHL.com.

The point is I challenge anyone to show me that Sanheim's and Risto's metrics are really that different. I just quickly ran by the last 3 games which I know is not a good sample size to illustrates a point.
- jd250

Here's a link to TopDownHockey's WAR model for the current season for all dmen who've played 1000+ mins at ES (it's the same model you see in all the Jfresh player cards on twitter):

https://public.tableau.co...ckey/viz/shared/MCK3JB4D3

You can sort each column to see where Sanheim and Risto stack up to their peers in the model. Sanheim is high up in even strength offense and defense WAR. Risto is not.



There's no legend, so here you go:

EVO = Even Strength Offense
EVD = Even Strength Defense
PPO = PP Offense
SHD = SH Defense
Pen/Draw/Take = Penalties/Drawn/Taken
WAR = Wins Above Replacement

Explanation of expected goals (xG):
https://towardsdatascienc...he-black-box-d04f135904b2

Explanation of TDH WAR model:
https://towardsdatascienc...d-validation-c05855b59f12

Fletcher is going to have to bend over to unload JVR on another team. Eating salary and attaching picks is the start. He will probably do something dumb like buy him out.

Also why trade Konecny? Who are you replacing him with at that cap hit?
- StepfordSam

Konecny doesnt need to be replaced. Flyers have Farabee, Atkinson, Tippett, Allison ect who are all capable of playing RW

If they qualify for arbitration. I dont think they do. Even so what have they done to really win an arbitration hearing?

They need top end talent but realistically they can only add one top end player without subtracting more from the current lineup.

Fletcher stated top end talent is acquired from the draft. Im not really expecting a blockbuster trade. Maybe they try to sign a guy like Gaudreau if available via FA but Fletcher stance seems like he's going to look to the draft.

I would expect the 2024 1st to be packaged to move up to a 2023 draft. I dont think its unreasonable to believe the Flyers look for a bargain bin FA to replace Giroux. Aside from Giroux or Gaudreau theres not much out there in terms of big names.

They could go after Forsberg, Perron, Palat, Domi, Rakell, Copp, Rust ect which would be considerably less than Gaudreau
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

So in other words pretty much the same team from this season.

Arbitration is a process. Deserved or not they will get a raise unless the flyers walk away.


Forberg is a stud and will get paid lots of $$$

How many truly have a positive outlook on Comcast Chuckie’s ability to turn this team around with this so-called “aggressive retool”? After AV was canned up until yesterday, did he make a hockey trade to improve the team? Or Did he just sit on his rear and give us Comcast platitudes? This is a disaster and confidence is low for the foreseeable future. That being said I got a laugher of a call from Comcast Flyers ticket office. Like anyone wants to donate money to this cause right now.
- mikeyo27

None of us do. And as mentioned earlier the man groomed to be the next GM is being groomed to do the same nonsense all the chuckle f@cks prior have done.

Fletcher is going to have to bend over to unload JVR on another team. Eating salary and attaching picks is the start. He will probably do something dumb like buy him out.

Also why trade Konecny? Who are you replacing him with at that cap hit?
- StepfordSam

JVR will be playing for a new contract, I am sure he will have a better season than the current. He will be traded and the Flyers will retain 1/2 his salary which by trade deadline will be 1.75 mill.

I certainly work buddy, look at all the posts mocking you. Feel good?
- ClaudeFather

I don’t see a single post mocking me and even if I did, why should I care? Nothing about this site effects my personal life. It’s sad if it effects yours.

90 days in paradise when they could be in Rittenhouse square worried about being carjacked. I hope they can get some therapy to deal with the mental anguish of that existence. And their poor kids. Daily trips to the beach. Someone should call child protection services.
- iamscore2day

Oh wait, I found a post mocking me, where the guy completely missed the point. Oh how torn up am I?

A lot of good points. I agree with most of it. There are fans who right from Risto’s first shift we’re not ready to keep an open mind. It was a big pay out, but I also saw Tampa move two 1rst’ s for a third line winger in the last couple of days….yes, TBay is in a different place but they did what they had to do as did the flyers in bringing in Risto.
I think you hit it on spot with what Risto is and brings. I have seen much of what you say are his flaws and I have seen what you point out as his strengths…I agree with most of it.
He’s a solid middle pairing d…no more…no less.
- landros 2

Yes, good points made by both of you. Risto had a rough first few games and some on here have never given him a chance. Risto is not like Pronger....I don't recall him being treated as the missing piece. He was brought in to fill a void that we lacked last year on D. He definitely has his moments but so has mostly everyone on this team. Saw a post earlier 'the only one worse is Yandle' - now that is basically saying he doesn't belong in the NHL. Let's put Connauton on the 2nd pair then!

I don’t see a single post mocking me and even if I did, why should I care? Nothing about this site effects my personal life. It’s sad if it effects yours.
- SuperSchennBros

Eddie worked for general motors and he swore
That he´d never lose his job again
A union man who owned his own home
In beautiful flint Michigan

Eddie lost his job and Eddie lost his wife
So Eddie lost his self esteem
The last time I saw Eddie
He was living in the trailer park again

Eye test shows Sanheim is not doing as well as the "numbers" suggest. Many times Sanheim is the culprit of a turnover especially when a play is up close and outmuscles him.

Both Sanheim and Ristolainen have shown improvements over the last couple weeks
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Sanheim is kind of what I call a 50/50 player. He has real ability to carry the puck and attack offensively and has done that pretty consistently in his career. He is adept at filling holes for scoring chances offensively.
His weaknesses can be in puck battles and around the net. He's just decent at best defensively. His overall package makes him a solid player.
It's the opposite with Ristolainen. He's a negative player.

Konecny doesnt need to be replaced. Flyers have Farabee, Atkinson, Tippett, Allison ect who are all capable of playing RW
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Are they capable of carrying the puck and taking the play into dangerous areas like TK tho? The guy doesn't finish as well as he probably can/should, but he generates chances for his entire line with the way he carries and cuts to the net.

Farabee, does a little bit of that, but he's mostly a slow it down methodical attacker.

The others are all off-puck attackers who wait for passes and rebounds.

It's the same thing with Jake... yes there were technically RW'ers who could step in, but nobody who could fill his particular skillset.

JVR maybe. Konecny no.

Doesnt matter. What do you think the Flyers are spending to replace these guys?

Frost and Tippet probably 850k
Two 4th line players and a RHD at 750k
Backup G 2 mill

Thats 5.95 mill/8 = 2mill approx space left over

Konecny is a young player signed at a reasonable price. No reason to to take cap or Contract back unless he's a piece of a bigger add.

JVR you probably need to retain 3 mill. Thats still 4 mill of free space + 5.5 mill from Konecny.

That would leave us with approx 11 mill of space to work with assuming we didnt package for a top line player
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

They could possibly use Konecny to add a draft pick or move up in the draft and not take salary back combined with something else.

The Flyers are going to want to add a high quality forward in the least. That's going to be in the 7-10M range alone. Now do the other math. For how the Flyers are going to approach things. The cap is going to be tight

If they qualify for arbitration. I dont think they do. Even so what have they done to really win an arbitration hearing?

They need top end talent but realistically they can only add one top end player without subtracting more from the current lineup.

Fletcher stated top end talent is acquired from the draft. Im not really expecting a blockbuster trade. Maybe they try to sign a guy like Gaudreau if available via FA but Fletcher stance seems like he's going to look to the draft.

I would expect the 2024 1st to be packaged to move up to a 2023 draft. I dont think its unreasonable to believe the Flyers look for a bargain bin FA to replace Giroux. Aside from Giroux or Gaudreau theres not much out there in terms of big names.

They could go after Forsberg, Perron, Palat, Domi, Rakell, Copp, Rust ect which would be considerably less than Gaudreau
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Do you know what a qualifying offer is? You can go to Capfriendly and use their calculator.

Sanheim is kind of what I call a 50/50 player. He has real ability to carry the puck and attack offensively and has done that pretty consistently in his career. He is adept at filling holes for scoring chances offensively.
His weaknesses can be in puck battles and around the net. He's just decent at best defensively. His overall package makes him a solid player.
It's the opposite with Ristolainen. He's a negative player.
- MJL

Sanheim does most of his good defensive work up the ice, contesting entries, angling guys into less dangerous areas, breaking up passes, etc. More often than not, the play doesn't reach the front of the net when he's on the ice, where's he's certainly weakest.

So in other words pretty much the same team from this season.

Arbitration is a process. Deserved or not they will get a raise unless the flyers walk away.


Forberg is a stud and will get paid lots of $$$
- hello it's me 2050

What do you expect?

The team stated they were going to aggressively retool, you keep expecting them to tear it all down.
Maybe Fletcher will suprise and move someone we didnt expect but I dont see Fletcher moving most this team.

Moving the following players would be stupid:

Hart
Farabee
Lindblom
Frost
Tippett
Provorov
Sanheim
York

Flyers wont be moving:

Hayes
Atkinson
Ristolainen
Ellis

Players who could be moved:

Couturier
Laughton
Konecny
JVR
Brown

What overhaul are you expecting?

Konecny doesnt need to be replaced. Flyers have Farabee, Atkinson, Tippett, Allison ect who are all capable of playing RW
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

What logic is stating a player doesn't have to be replaced. Konecny, Farabee and Atkinson are all currently in the lineup. Remove one and he has to be replaced. That can be done internally or externally but still has to be replaced by someone.

In no particular order, things I would like to see with players on the current roster…I will just wait and see how those Phantoms do in their playoff push before adding any of them to my wish list:

1. Some defenseman in different roles: Sanheim on the PP, York on the PK (maybe on the left side with Risto), and Provy in the shootout. Shoutout to Yeo for the Provy-York pairing. I think it would also be good to see Provy-Risto is special situations on defense with Braun gone. It might be good to see a flip on the top 4D as well since this opportunity is here—Provy-Sanheim and York-Risto.
2. TK at center. I don’t care if everyone thinks it’s nuts. There is no better time to try it.
3. More of Frost and Willman on the PK. Try MacEwen on the PK (I think he needs more of a role to justify more than a 13F spot).

They could possibly use Konecny to add a draft pick or move up in the draft and not take salary back combined with something else.

The Flyers are going to want to add a high quality forward in the least. That's going to be in the 7-10M range alone. Now do the other math. For how the Flyers are going to approach things. The cap is going to be tight
- MJL

They likrey wont even if they want to. There arent many high quality FWDs out there. Apart from Gaudreau and Forsberg anything else added via FA wont be in that ball park.

Yes, good points made by both of you. Risto had a rough first few games and some on here have never given him a chance. Risto is not like Pronger....I don't recall him being treated as the missing piece. He was brought in to fill a void that we lacked last year on D. He definitely has his moments but so has mostly everyone on this team. Saw a post earlier 'the only one worse is Yandle' - now that is basically saying he doesn't belong in the NHL. Let's put Connauton on the 2nd pair then!
- Don Nachbaur

I made that statement and it is factually true. Also you should go back and read the statement. The statement was out of the Flyers regular defenseman. That does not include Connauton and Seeler. Out of the 5 regular Flyers defenseman, only Yandle is worse defensively that Ristolainen.

You have a bad habit of getting comments made by me incorrect.

What logic is stating a player doesn't have to be replaced. Konecny, Farabee and Atkinson are all currently in the lineup. Remove one and he has to be replaced. That can be done internally or externally but still has to be replaced by someone.
- MJL

C: Couturier, Hayes, Frost, Brown
LW: 1st line open slot, Lindblom, Laughton, 4th line open slot
RW: Farabee, Atkinson, Tippett, 4th line open slot

Where does Konecny need to be replaced? He was replaced the second Tippett was added

They likrey wont even if they want to. There arent many high quality FWDs out there. Apart from Gaudreau and Forsberg anything else added via FA wont be in that ball park.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

It's a guarantee that the Flyers make some kind of big splash. Whether that is by trade or using free agency remains to be seen.

C: Couturier, Hayes, Frost, Brown
LW: 1st line open slot, Lindblom, Laughton, 4th line open slot
RW: Farabee, Atkinson, Tippett, 4th line open slot

Where does Konecny need to be replaced? He was replaced the second Tippett was added
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Tippet is a guarantee to become a regular. To match the production of Konecny?

Read what I said. Internally or externally.

Where does Konecny need to be replaced? He was replaced the second Tippett was added
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Maybe Owen Tippett should... you know... like play more than one game... or maybe even score a single point... before we declare he's a replacement for anybody?

Same thing with Allison... how about if we see if he can stay healthy for more than 5 secs before writing his name in permanent marker?