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pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Mar 23 @ 10:01 AM ET
It could affect the Habs eventually if the deal is in fact overturned, they'll have to find him a new home real fast with very little options.... Seattle? Montreal? Arizona? As long as the destination is not on his list
- OB


If Vegas didn’t want him, why would Montreal?
OB
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 11.14.2021

Mar 23 @ 10:03 AM ET
If Vegas didn’t want him, why would Montreal?
- pete26


Vegas had to shave his salary due to players coming off IR... they paid Anaheim a 2nd to take him, we'll take that and trade him for another pick next deadline, all while getting rid of Weber's contract in the process.... it's a win-win-win scenario
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Mar 23 @ 10:08 AM ET
Vegas had to shave his salary due to players coming off IR... they paid Anaheim a 2nd to take him, we'll take that and trade him for another pick next deadline, all while getting rid of Weber's contract in the process.... it's a win-win-win scenario
- OB

the problem goes all the way back when he was traded from Ottawa to Vegas, they were errors in the paperwork that didn't get flagged concerning his NTC list. Whose fault is it? Ottawa from screwing up in the first place? Vegas for not checking all the paper work and trusting Ottawa?
OB
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 11.14.2021

Mar 23 @ 10:10 AM ET
the problem goes all the way back when he was traded from Ottawa to Vegas, they were errors in the paperwork that didn't get flagged concerning his NTC list. Whose fault is it? Ottawa from screwing up in the first place? Vegas for not checking all the paper work and trusting Ottawa?
- Symba007


Doesn't really matter who's fault it is, I'd day it's more on Vegas, besides I think they knew what they were doing
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Mar 23 @ 10:19 AM ET
Doesn't really matter who's fault it is, I'd day it's more on Vegas, besides I think they knew what they were doing
- OB

still has 1 year at 5M left on his deal after this year. I am assuming MTL and Phx are on his NTC also.
OB
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 11.14.2021

Mar 23 @ 10:23 AM ET
still has 1 year at 5M left on his deal after this year. I am assuming MTL and Phx are on his NTC also.
- Symba007


He does have a year left, which makes even more sense for Montreal.... I would think Montreal would be on his list but then I think he willingly signed in Ottawa as a UFA a couple years back so who knows
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Mar 23 @ 10:43 AM ET
He does have a year left, which makes even more sense for Montreal.... I would think Montreal would be on his list but then I think he willingly signed in Ottawa as a UFA a couple years back so who knows
- OB

plus players traded after the tdl are not eligible for the playoffs, which shouldn't matter to Weber and Dadonov. not a bad idea.
OB
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 11.14.2021

Mar 23 @ 10:46 AM ET
plus players traded after the tdl are not eligible for the playoffs, which shouldn't matter to Weber and Dadonov. not a bad idea.
- fidopro



Exactly buddy!

One team definitely not on his list and with cap space is Seattle


But if Anaheim was on his list, good chance LA and SJ are too
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Mar 23 @ 11:02 AM ET
Exactly buddy!

One team definitely not on his list and with cap space is Seattle


But if Anaheim was on his list, good chance LA and SJ are too

- OB

Bust Daddy signed with Ottawa of all places. I'd imagine he'd be amenable to going to Montreal if the strip clubs were re-opened.
OB
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 11.14.2021

Mar 23 @ 11:07 AM ET
Bust Daddy signed with Ottawa of all places. I'd imagine he'd be amenable to going to Montreal if the strip clubs were re-opened.
- AdamFrench




And yea, I did mention him signing in Ottawa as a sign that maybe Montreal isn't on his list, either way, I don't think the league will give Vegas that much time to get cap compliant when they decline the trade
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Mar 23 @ 11:26 AM ET


And yea, I did mention him signing in Ottawa as a sign that maybe Montreal isn't on his list, either way, I don't think the league will give Vegas that much time to get cap compliant when they decline the trade

- OB

the only thing is that Mtl want to unload contracts, not take a bad one, even if it's just for 1 season
OB
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 11.14.2021

Mar 23 @ 11:27 AM ET
the only thing is that Mtl want to unload contracts, not take a bad one, even if it's just for 1 season
- fidopro



They would be off loading Weber's contract and getting 2 picks in the equation
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Mar 23 @ 11:31 AM ET
They would be off loading Weber's contract and getting 2 picks in the equation
- OB

they have enough picks, they need capspace. they would probably prefer to give picks to off load Weber without taking a bad contract. eventhough if I don't get why they should pay, many teams would like to have Weber, let them pay to acquire him. not the other way around.
Fredo
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Symba thinks Prague is in Poland
Joined: 03.16.2015

Mar 23 @ 11:35 AM ET
the only thing is that Mtl want to unload contracts, not take a bad one, even if it's just for 1 season
- fidopro

I want Mtl to burn down, but that's the city not the hockey team
OB
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 11.14.2021

Mar 23 @ 11:38 AM ET
they have enough picks, they need capspace. they would probably prefer give picks to unload weber without taking a bad contract. eventhough if I don't get why they should pay, many team would like to have weber, let them pay to acquire him. not the other way around.
- fidopro


I disagree.... and you never have enough picks, you can always trade them for players later or bunch up prospects at a later date to land a big fish, reason Montreal never was able to pull off a trade for good players when they became available is because they didn't have the prospect pool to do so, it's one of the first things they need to address, the more picks the better, especially while getting rid of a huge headache in Weber's contract.... if the option does become a reality, there's no doubt in my mind that Hughes pulls the trigger on it, it would be completely idiotic to not, and with Dadonov on board for next year, it makes trading Hoffman or Drouin even more plausible, or both
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Mar 23 @ 11:47 AM ET
I disagree.... and you never have enough picks, you can always trade them for players later or bunch up prospects at a later date to land a big fish, reason Montreal never was able to pull off a trade for good players when they became available is because they didn't have the prospect pool to do so, it's one of the first things they need to address, the more picks the better, especially while getting rid of a huge headache in Weber's contract.... if the option does become a reality, there's no doubt in my mind that Hughes pulls the trigger on it, it would be completely idiotic to not, and with Dadonov on board for next year, it makes trading Hoffman or Drouin even more plausible, or both
- OB

that was not because of a lack of picks, it's because they drafted like poop
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Mar 23 @ 11:48 AM ET
I disagree.... and you never have enough picks, you can always trade them for players later or bunch up prospects at a later date to land a big fish, reason Montreal never was able to pull off a trade for good players when they became available is because they didn't have the prospect pool to do so, it's one of the first things they need to address, the more picks the better, especially while getting rid of a huge headache in Weber's contract.... if the option does become a reality, there's no doubt in my mind that Hughes pulls the trigger on it, it would be completely idiotic to not, and with Dadonov on board for next year, it makes trading Hoffman or Drouin even more plausible, or both
- OB

so you are saying Weber for Dandonov and a 2nd in 2023?

Habs eat 50% of his salary and unload him to another team this summer for another pick?
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Mar 23 @ 11:49 AM ET
so you are saying Weber for Dandonov and a 2nd in 2023?

Habs eat 50% of his salary and unload him to another team this summer for another pick?

- Symba007

yes, but they already have plenty of players to trade this summer, why acquire another one?
OB
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 11.14.2021

Mar 23 @ 11:52 AM ET
that was not because of a lack of picks, it's because they drafted like poop
- fidopro



The more picks you have, the better chance of drafting good players you have and thats even more true in the first 2 rounds... and besides, you went from saying it's a good idea to not in about 10 minutes, your opinion is flawed

And for the record, it's still a good idea, a no brainer in fact.... Dadonov is also not a bad player
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Mar 23 @ 11:53 AM ET
yes, but they already have plenty of players to trade this summer, why acquire another one?
- fidopro

it's for one season, they might highly value a 2nd in 2023, deep draft. They are trying to load up on 1st and 2nd round picks for the next 2 years. If they can move the contract this summer with some salary retention...the cap hit would be for one year only.
OB
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 11.14.2021

Mar 23 @ 11:53 AM ET
so you are saying Weber for Dandonov and a 2nd in 2023?

Habs eat 50% of his salary and unload him to another team this summer for another pick?

- Symba007



Yup.... but probably at the deadline next year, not the summer
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Mar 23 @ 11:54 AM ET
The more picks you have, the better chance of drafting good players you have and thats even more true in the first 2 rounds... and besides, you went from saying it's a good idea to not in about 10 minutes, your opinion is flawed

And for the record, it's still a good idea, a no brainer in fact.... Dadonov is also not a bad player

- OB

it's not a bad idea, but I think they'll prefer a better one. one where they do not acquire a bad contract in return. they said they wanted to be agressive on the UFA market. in order to be, they need to unload a few bad contracts. Petry, Hoffman, Drouin, Armia... so why acquire another one in Dadonov? the job will already be difficult enough.
OB
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 11.14.2021

Mar 23 @ 11:55 AM ET
it's not a bad idea, but I think they'll prefer a better one. one where they do not acquire a bad contract in return. they said they wanted to be agressive on the UFA market. in order to be, they need to unload a few bad contracts. Petry, Hoffman, Drouin, Armia... so why acquire another one in Dadonov? the job will already be difficult enough.
- fidopro



Petry and Hoffman in the offseason.... Dadonov, Drouin and Edmundson at the deadline
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Mar 23 @ 11:56 AM ET
Barron is on the ice with the Habs this morning

https://twitter.com/PFrio...tatus/1506645566058545159
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Mar 23 @ 11:58 AM ET
Petry and Hoffman in the offseason.... Dadonov, Drouin and Edmundson at the deadline
- OB

I see them keeping Edmundson around to mentor the kids, can't have all rookies on D either.

They might have Barron, Kuhle, Harris and Romanov next year on D, need a few veterans to lead the group.
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