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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 24 @ 8:47 AM ET
The Knights are slowly but surely becoming a mess. Their swoon right now is due to injuries, but they have major cap issues going forward and that is an issue that can't be avoided.

On another note, I hear Bobby Brink is leading the college ranks in scoring. Can this kid skate?

- Phillywhiteout

Hope he is a better NHL player than Ryan Potulny.

Flyers desperately need to hit on one of these college players to be a legit top 6 fwd or top 4 dman. Otherwise the needle isnt moving much if at all.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 24 @ 8:50 AM ET
Its the unfortunately reality of many on this forum, no matter what Fletcher does it the wrong thing because he sucks. Even a move like this which is just to give Lappy some depth as his team tries to get to the playoffs is bashed. Its sad.
- jd250

Phantoms are in last place. Why didn't he make this "depth" move earlier then?

Speaking of the phantoms anyone else find it funny guys like willlman, mayew, Hodgson have all outplayed the flyers draft picks?

It is sad that the GM has this team where it is currently. You whine and complain about no elite talent. Which is true. The current GM is one of the main reason they have no elite talent. This is his team at this point.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 24 @ 8:53 AM ET
Let's talk about another reality. Why is it like that?
- MJL

The Flyers have had two very poor years, certainly two of the worst years I can remember as a fan. People need someone to point the finger at, and Fletcher is where the buck stops. He hired AV. He traded for Risto. He signed Yandle. Etc. AV didn't work out. Some trades and FA signings have been polarizing. I just wish folks can have balance in their evaluation of Fletcher. Consider the impact of Covid and the many injuries to key players. I personally really like him, so I'm probably biased in that direction so its easier for me to see some of the good things that he has done.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 24 @ 8:55 AM ET
Phantoms are in last place. Why didn't he make this "depth" move earlier then?

Speaking of the phantoms anyone else find it funny guys like willlman, mayew, Hodgson have all outplayed the flyers draft picks?

It is sad that the GM has this team where it is currently. You whine and complain about no elite talent. Which is true. The current GM is one of the main reason they have no elite talent. This is his team at this point.

- hello it's me 2050

So where do you think Fletcher has failed in terms of obtaining elite talent? Did he trade it away? Did he miss on his draft picks? Did he fail to develop a player already in the system that had an elite talent ceiling? Did he miss out on a hockey trade to obtain elite talent?
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Mar 24 @ 8:57 AM ET
Phantoms are in last place. Why didn't he make this "depth" move earlier then?

Speaking of the phantoms anyone else find it funny guys like willlman, mayew, Hodgson have all outplayed the flyers draft picks?

It is sad that the GM has this team where it is currently. You whine and complain about no elite talent. Which is true. The current GM is one of the main reason they have no elite talent. This is his team at this point.

- hello it's me 2050
The prior GM certainly should be getting some of the shrapnel as well. His hands certainly aren't clean from this mess.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Mar 24 @ 9:00 AM ET
Let's talk about another reality. Why is it like that?
- MJL


Its like that because people focus on the negative. Im in a group full of leaf fans and their comments are pretty much the same as we aee here and the are a consistent top regular season team with top end talent

Muzzin, Holl, Dermott are all ripped on D. Marner Tavares and Nylander a ripped on forward depending on the flavour of the day. Lets also not forget they lost to a Zamboni driver in net.

People focus on the negative and their expectations for players are generally unrealistic. As you move down your lineup guys are going to have more flaws the further you move down
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:00 AM ET
The Flyers have had two very poor years, certainly two of the worst years I can remember as a fan. People need someone to point the finger at, and Fletcher is where the buck stops. He hired AV. He traded for Risto. He signed Yandle. Etc. AV didn't work out. Some trades and FA signings have been polarizing. I just wish folks can have balance in their evaluation of Fletcher. Consider the impact of Covid and the many injuries to key players. I personally really like him, so I'm probably biased in that direction so its easier for me to see some of the good things that he has done.
- jd250


Bottom line is that Fletcher has done a really poor job and he isn't going to get the benefit of the doubt from anyone. Well almost anyone. I used Covid in error as a n excuse in the past. I was wrong about it.
What is there to really like about Fletcher? Do you like his personality, the way he dresses? What?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 24 @ 9:01 AM ET
The prior GM certainly should be getting some of the shrapnel as well. His hands certainly aren't clean from this mess.
- Phillywhiteout

Never said or implied he doenst have blame.

That being said this is Chuck's team and has been for a while. He has mad them worse. Didn't think that was actually posisble.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 24 @ 9:02 AM ET
Are you only looking at that single column? Because that's only represents ES offense lol. All the columns gets summed together into the score on the far right, which tells you each players total impact on their teams this season.

Overall, Fox and McAvoy have had a bigger positive impact than Sanheim this season (not surprising). Heiskinen's been good and ranks near Sanheim. Werenski and Letang have had poor defensive seasons, which hurts them overall. Pietrangelo's having a down year.

Risto's been bad across the board. Overall he's ranked next to last, and that's while playing with a very strong partner most of the time.



No. See above.



You're making a snap judgement before you fundamentally understand what you're looking at. Makes it kinda hard to expand your knowledge base that way, doesn't it?


- Tomahawk

I will be happy to look at it again. When I went to the site it was sorted by EVO WAR and thus that is what I thought you were showing me. I will look at the rest of the columns and get back to you. Thanks for sending me this!
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Mar 24 @ 9:02 AM ET
Phantoms are in last place. Why didn't he make this "depth" move earlier then?

Speaking of the phantoms anyone else find it funny guys like willlman, mayew, Hodgson have all outplayed the flyers draft picks?

It is sad that the GM has this team where it is currently. You whine and complain about no elite talent. Which is true. The current GM is one of the main reason they have no elite talent. This is his team at this point.

- hello it's me 2050


We couldnt. We had 49/50 contracts. Flyers dumped like 4 contracts over the trade deadline
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:02 AM ET
Its like that because people focus on the negative. Im in a group full of leaf fans and their comments are pretty much the same as we aee here and the are a consistent top regular season team with top end talent

Muzzin, Holl, Dermott are all ripped on D. Marner Tavares and Nylander a ripped on forward depending on the flavour of the day. Lets also not forget they lost to a Zamboni driver in net.

People focus on the negative and their expectations for players are generally unrealistic. As you move down your lineup guys are going to have more flaws the further you move down

- xShoot4WarAmpsx



That's not correct. It's like that because that's all there really is, is negativity. His job performance is very much on the negative side of things.

The Toronto situation is very much different. Leafs fans are frustrated that a very talented team hasn't gotten anywhere. Not at all a comparable situation.

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 24 @ 9:03 AM ET
So where do you think Fletcher has failed in terms of obtaining elite talent? Did he trade it away? Did he miss on his draft picks? Did he fail to develop a player already in the system that had an elite talent ceiling? Did he miss out on a hockey trade to obtain elite talent?
- jd250

Has he acquired any?

Your felating of Chuck is way worse than Cliff felating The Saint. Didn't think that was possible.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:03 AM ET
We couldnt. We had 49/50 contracts. Flyers dumped like 4 contracts over the trade deadline
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Sure they could've. A contract space can always be made. I have no issue with the move as it's just adding a body for the stretch for the Phantoms.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 24 @ 9:04 AM ET
We couldnt. We had 49/50 contracts. Flyers dumped like 4 contracts over the trade deadline
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

"we" couldn't. Well isn't that the GM's fault?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:05 AM ET
So where do you think Fletcher has failed in terms of obtaining elite talent? Did he trade it away? Did he miss on his draft picks? Did he fail to develop a player already in the system that had an elite talent ceiling? Did he miss out on a hockey trade to obtain elite talent?
- jd250


Yet, they think they can trade and sign their way to the top. Perhaps that's the issue.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 24 @ 9:05 AM ET
So you reply to this post, but not the ones where I'm trying to explain the stats to you?


- Tomahawk

No :-) I just need some time to look at it before I responded. And now after your response I need even more time.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 24 @ 9:09 AM ET
none of that will change the fact RR is an average at best dman.
- hello it's me 2050

When he has games like he did against Detroit I can't argue this fact. That first goal where he pushed the player right into Hart is one that is the most concerning for me, because as MJL and others have stated, that directly points to his hockey IQ, i.e. you have to know where you are on the ice, what your orientation is and what the situation is before you decide to make a play like that. Sometimes Risto just plays like a dumb bear out there and not sure that can be coached out. I do believe however with better forwards and a better break out scheme, some of Risto's deficiencies can be hidden.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 24 @ 9:12 AM ET
Has he acquired any?

Your felating of Chuck is way worse than Cliff felating The Saint. Didn't think that was possible.

- hello it's me 2050

I don't know if you realize this, but its very hard to acquire elite talent. You have to draft high to get it and even then there are no guarantees. Other teams are certainly not going to trade elite talent, unless you have a situation like Eichel and Buffalo, and I wonder who was the real winner of that trade?
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Mar 24 @ 9:13 AM ET
Never said or implied he doenst have blame.

That being said this is Chuck's team and has been for a while. He has mad them worse. Didn't think that was actually posisble.

- hello it's me 2050
Yeah, I'd really like to argue that point, but unfortunately I can't. Another member of the old boy's club(apparently he is Clarke's buddy) failing this organization.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:16 AM ET
When he has games like he did against Detroit I can't argue this fact. That first goal where he pushed the player right into Hart is one that is the most concerning for me, because as MJL and others have stated, that directly points to his hockey IQ, i.e. you have to know where you are on the ice, what your orientation is and what the situation is before you decide to make a play like that. Sometimes Risto just plays like a dumb bear out there and not sure that can be coached out. I do believe however with better forwards and a better break out scheme, some of Risto's deficiencies can be hidden.
- jd250


I agree, on a really good team, you could hide Ristolainen and the team around him could support him to hide his deficiencies. He'd probably even improve offensively. However the issue is two fold. Is that the kind of player you give up a 1st, 2nd and an NHL player for? Secondly, the Flyers needed players that elevate and lift the team. That make them better. Not a player that can be hidden to be adequate. So was the trade and the subsequent re-signing smart? Of course not.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 24 @ 9:16 AM ET
I would hope that since the WJCs his skating has improved, but haven't seen any of his recent games.
- jd250



I thought his skating was fine in the WJC. As I said, it didn't effect his game or production. His edge work is above average as his ability to find open space.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Mar 24 @ 9:16 AM ET
I don't know if you realize this, but its very hard to acquire elite talent. You have to draft high to get it and even then there are no guarantees. Other teams are certainly not going to trade elite talent, unless you have a situation like Eichel and Buffalo, and I wonder who was the real winner of that trade?
- jd250

Not my problem it is hard to acquire. It is the GM's job to acquire it is it not? He hasn't come close to acquiring it.

Instead of trading a 1st plus for a bottom pair Dman, why not use those assets and others to get a much better player? Maybe a diff maker? If you are going to overpay make it worthwhile for someone who can help.

Both teams can win that deal. I make it every time if I am Vegas.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 24 @ 9:16 AM ET
I don't know if you realize this, but its very hard to acquire elite talent. You have to draft high to get it and even then there are no guarantees. Other teams are certainly not going to trade elite talent, unless you have a situation like Eichel and Buffalo, and I wonder who was the real winner of that trade?
- jd250


Right, so why are the Flyers taking the approach that they are?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 24 @ 9:17 AM ET
We couldnt. We had 49/50 contracts. Flyers dumped like 4 contracts over the trade deadline
- xShoot4WarAmpsx



Get out of here with your logical responses.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Mar 24 @ 9:22 AM ET
"we" couldn't. Well isn't that the GM's fault?
- hello it's me 2050


Not really. You have 27 guys on an AHL roster you typically fill that out prior to the season. 14 of them are prospects between 18-25, that is not counting Rubtsov and Bunnaman. As far as I can see now they only have 4 guys over 30. So most those guys on that team were our prospect. The 25 year old mark is pretty much the end of the line for a prospect with NHL hopes if they still havent played a game in the NHL. The remaining 23 contracts are your NHL players.

I dont follow the phantoms so I cant give any information on who signed who in the aHL for how long or whos doing well in the AHL and who isnt.
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