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Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 24 @ 4:37 PM ET
Just make it that cap space is still a thing until round 2 or 3...will completely eliminate teams from taking star players out so they are back in round 1.
- Santo_44


The idea would be same cap in playoffs as in season. It all comes down to whether it can be done outside CBA.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Mar 24 @ 4:38 PM ET
Just make it that cap space is still a thing until round 2 or 3...will completely eliminate teams from taking star players out so they are back in round 1.
- Santo_44


Let them be still allowed to do it but they’d have to give up a pick to a team that loses a round to them:

Round 1: 4th round pick
Round 2. 3rd round pick
Round 3: 2nd round pick
Round 4: 1st round pick

If they don’t have a pick for that round then they have to remain at the cap.
winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Mar 24 @ 4:40 PM ET
I’m very happy with him. Had no expectations. He does have a bit of trouble with the rush and was beaten to the outside last night. The physicality and his ability to close out the cycle is great. I’m not convinced he stays with Morgan but that depends on who’s healthy.
- Canada Cup


Many d-men including some very good ones will have issues with the rush. A really fast forward like Hughes will get the best of good defenders including guys like Hedman. Laboosh is no sports car, a good stay at home d-man plays on the RS, can hit and has decent puck sense and an ok shot. Early still, like him so far.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Mar 24 @ 4:42 PM ET
Had his best statistical season on the Bruins so idk, doubt it.

He just is what he is.

- Santo_44


No it wasn’t. His best PPG season was 2018-19 with the ducks
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 24 @ 4:45 PM ET
Let them be still allowed to do it but they’d have to give up a pick to a team that loses a round to them:

Round 1: 4th round pick
Round 2. 3rd round pick
Round 3: 2nd round pick
Round 4: 1st round pick

If they don’t have a pick for that round then they have to remain at the cap.

- Dozzer


So the Leafs held Nash (I think it was Nash) back last year so they could get Freddie off LTIR and have a few starts. If they had, heaven forbid, won a few rounds, should they have had to have given up picks? Can anyone say for sure he was or wasn’t ready to go?

It’s either the current rule or the same salary cap in the playoffs.
Dozzer
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Mar 24 @ 4:48 PM ET
So the Leafs held Nash (I think it was Nash) back last year so they could get Freddie off LTIR and have a few starts. If they had, heaven forbid, won a few rounds, should they have had to have given up picks? Can anyone say for sure he was or wasn’t ready to go?

It’s either the current rule or the same salary cap in the playoffs.

- Canada Cup


Highly doubt the NHLPA agrees to that. No way the league would get away with holding a player back to punish their employer.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 24 @ 4:51 PM ET
Many d-men including some very good ones will have issues with the rush. A really fast forward like Hughes will get the best of good defenders including guys like Hedman. Laboosh is no sports car, a good stay at home d-man plays on the RS, can hit and has decent puck sense and an ok shot. Early still, like him so far.
- winsix

I like him too. He does pinch though and he’s actually pretty quick. He’s just kind of unsure of himself in dealing with guys on the rush. It’s one of the things that separates him from someone like Gio. It’s also why I think he ends up with Gio or Muzzin. Rielly is just so active he does give up 2-on-ones. Brodie is the best at defending them and that’s what makes them such a good pair.
winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Mar 24 @ 4:51 PM ET
The idea would be same cap in playoffs as in season. It all comes down to whether it can be done outside CBA.
- Canada Cup


Hard to enforce. With the hard cap and inability to get rid of bad contracts, teams will always be looking for ways to cheat.
13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 24 @ 4:53 PM ET
Gio has been an ironman most of his career...so he will get hurt next game because of the Leafs
- AdamFrench



Very true, and it will be some freak injury.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 24 @ 4:54 PM ET
Hard to enforce. With the hard cap and inability to get rid of bad contracts, teams will always be looking for ways to cheat.
- winsix


If they say the cap applies in the playoffs, that’s easy to enforce. It’s what they do now throughout the season. What I mean by outside the CBA is whether the league can agree to do it unilaterally.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Mar 24 @ 4:54 PM ET
i wasn't sure I was ever gonna say this in my life but that felt great

highly recommend going to the dentist for a cleaning
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 24 @ 4:55 PM ET
i wasn't sure I was ever gonna say this in my life but that felt great

highly recommend going to the dentist for a cleaning

- TheMussel


Probably doesn’t take long if there are only three left
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Mar 24 @ 4:57 PM ET
Probably doesn’t take long if there are only three left
- Canada Cup

Dozzer
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Mar 24 @ 5:02 PM ET
If they say the cap applies in the playoffs, that’s easy to enforce. It’s what they do now throughout the season. What I mean by outside the CBA is whether the league can agree to do it unilaterally.
- Canada Cup


The players earnings do not apply in the playoffs because it’s strictly for the regular season.

The post season has additional bonus pay to players based on the number of rounds won.

https://bshockey.com/nhl-playoff-pay/
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Mar 24 @ 5:03 PM ET
Highly doubt the NHLPA agrees to that. No way the league would get away with holding a player back to punish their employer.
- Dozzer

It’s not holding players back or punishing employers. It’s just keeping the cap in place through the playoffs.
Dozzer
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Mar 24 @ 5:06 PM ET
It’s not holding players back or punishing employers. It’s just keeping the cap in place through the playoffs.
- Canada Cup


Yes it is holding a player back.

“Sorry you’re not allowed to play because it puts our team over the cap that only applies to your regular season salary” is not something the NHLPA will ever agree to and they need to agree to any CBA revision for the league to be able to apply it.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 24 @ 5:08 PM ET
The players earnings do not apply in the playoffs because it’s strictly for the regular season.

The post season has additional bonus pay to players based on the number of rounds won.

https://bshockey.com/nhl-playoff-pay/

- Dozzer


I get that but when they impose a salary cap they decided not to apply in the playoffs. Whether players are actually getting paid, the league can still limit the amount of salary that each playoff team carries.
Dozzer
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Mar 24 @ 5:09 PM ET
I get that but when they impose a salary cap they decided not to apply in the playoffs. Whether players are actually getting paid, the league can still limit the amount of salary that each playoff team carries.
- Canada Cup


No they can’t revise anything without the NHLPA agreeing to it.

Hence the end of your idea because they never would.
winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Mar 24 @ 5:16 PM ET
Yes it is holding a player back.

“Sorry you’re not allowed to play because it puts our team over the cap that only applies to your regular season salary” is not something the NHLPA will ever agree to and they need to agree to any CBA revision for the league to be able to apply it.

- Dozzer


A soft cap and teams being able to walk away from contracts as they do in the NFL would solve both issues. From an earning perspective, players would be able to attain higher true market salaries. From the team side, if a player did not deliver, the team could tell the player to go pound salt. Also with a soft cap, there would be no need for teams that cheat like Chicago and Tampa
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 24 @ 5:17 PM ET
No they can’t revise anything without the NHLPA agreeing to it.

Hence the end of your idea because they never would.

- Dozzer


It’s not my idea. It’s being proposed by GMs and I think it needs to done in the CBA if at all. Jesus
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 24 @ 5:20 PM ET
A soft cap and teams being able to walk away from contracts as they do in the NFL would solve both issues. From an earning perspective, players would be able to attain higher true market salaries. From the team side, if a player did not deliver, the team could tell the player to go pound salt. Also with a soft cap, there would be no need for teams that cheat like Chicago and Tampa
- winsix

I can’t see low revenue teams agreeing to a soft cap and I definitely can’t see the PA giving up guaranteed contracts.
Roadrunner75
Seattle Kraken
Location: ON
Joined: 03.01.2013

Mar 24 @ 5:20 PM ET
Maybe just agree that after a certain date all injuries are reviewed by independant league sanctioned medical to ensure it is legit? Don't leave it up to team docs to say it is or isnt and if a team is caught the player then goes to invalid for use in the whole playoffs as penalty. Thinking that would solve it real quick and easy.
Dozzer
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Mar 24 @ 5:21 PM ET
A soft cap and teams being able to walk away from contracts as they do in the NFL would solve both issues. From an earning perspective, players would be able to attain higher true market salaries. From the team side, if a player did not deliver, the team could tell the player to go pound salt. Also with a soft cap, there would be no need for teams that cheat like Chicago and Tampa
- winsix


The problem in the NHL is the teams are extremely various when it comes to a team’s income. There are a handful of teams that would just end up being dominate year after year while a handful of poorer teams would never be able to afford reaching the post season.

If it was anything even remotely close to the NFL I’d agree 100% tho.
winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Mar 24 @ 5:24 PM ET
I can’t see low revenue teams agreeing to a soft cap and I definitely can’t see the PA giving up guaranteed contracts.
- Canada Cup


Low revenue teams like Arizona? Should they get a vote? Or be voted off the Island?




Dozzer
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
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Mar 24 @ 5:24 PM ET
It’s not my idea. It’s being proposed by GMs and I think it needs to done in the CBA if at all. Jesus
- Canada Cup


The GMs are proposing that specifically? I’m sorry but I wasn’t aware of that and thought it was just your idea. I was wondering what they were going to suggest.

I wonder how they’re going to pitch this to the NHLPA… basically asking them to agree to letting potential members lose the opportunity to earn additional money in the post season.
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