I'm just over the age gap poop, trading mid round picks for other team's healthy scratches just doesn't seem like a sound strategy to me. Especially considering that the Leafs blueline isn't some powerhouse where you can say that "this guy is just a victim of playing on a stacked team". The Russian dman they picked up from Arizona is on their top pairing now.

If the player was younger, or playing on a more stacked roster, or the cost was more appropriate(like a random prospect or late pick), I'd be cool with it.
- Nucker101

Dermott often passed over during the teams injuries as well... GP decreasing year to year.

I'm just over the age gap poop, trading mid round picks for other team's healthy scratches just doesn't seem like a sound strategy to me. Especially considering that the Leafs blueline isn't some powerhouse where you can say that "this guy is just a victim of playing on a stacked team". The Russian dman they picked up from Arizona is on their top pairing now.
- Nucker101

i mean, i dont have a crystall ball and can't tell you how its going to play out with Dermott.

All i am going from, is what Allvin has said he wants to do, which is get younger and create a bit of cap space, I feel like he made good on that by acquiring Dermott and getting rid of Hamonic. He literally made good on his word lol.

I am also going to give the guy more than 3 months to fix the mess Benning left, and more than 4 nhl games before i make any sort of judgement on Dermotts play. The sample size is incredibly small, but I think he has been great.

And like i said before, I totally understand the correlation between the Dermott acquisition and the past acquisitions of Vey/Clendening/Baertschi/etc. I totally get it, I also see the difference in the individual players resume and experience than I do those past examples, so to me, its just a matter of seeing how it plays out.

Healthy scratch most nights when he was traded for... his GP shows a player who has been falling off over his short career steadily season to season. So yes, fringe player.

I never made claims about Poolman's level of quality or claim he's not fringe... but did make the point they already have him in the organization... no need to trade a 3rd for Dermott when they already have Poolman. You keep going sideways in this debate. It's like you are debating someone else's argument with me. Not sure if this is something you can control or not but please try...
- boonerbuck

I don’t want to get in the middle of this slap fight, because I honestly don’t care, but…

In the month of March he was a healthy scratch 3 times, and played 6 times. I wouldn’t call that “most nights”.

Why are we in this situation with a shallow prospect pool in the first place? Trading draft picks for other teams' scraps.
- Nucker101

You're kinda omitting the bigger causes.

You're kinda omitting the bigger causes.
- Load Management

Fair, but I think the age gap moves just added fuel to the dumpster fire.

i mean, i dont have a crystall ball and can't tell you how its going to play out with Dermott.

All i am going from, is what Allvin has said he wants to do, which is get younger and create a bit of cap space, I feel like he made good on that by acquiring Dermott and getting rid of Hamonic. He literally made good on his word lol.

I am also going to give the guy more than 3 months to fix the mess Benning left, and more than 4 nhl games before i make any sort of judgement on Dermotts play. The sample size is incredibly small, but I think he has been great.

And like i said before, I totally understand the correlation between the Dermott acquisition and the past acquisitions of Vey/Clendening/Baertschi/etc. I totally get it, I also see the difference in the individual players resume and experience than I do those past examples, so to me, its just a matter of seeing how it plays out.
- Codes1087

So basically wait and see, which I get but you need upper tier pro scouting for this strategy to be successful, and I'm just not confident that the Canucks have that caliber of pro scouting.

Dermott may be mobile but the team is already too soft and he makes them even softer. They should just have waited it out instead of rushing out to scoop him for a 3rd. If Rathbone makes the team, more softness... People want more cap dumps which means the stronger more physical players being moved like Myers and OEL... Any improvements in those positions in both D play, O play with the needed physical element is going to cost huge so I imagine there would be a downgrade on toughness there as well... fingers crossed but I do worry....

Dermott may be mobile but the team is already too soft and he makes them even softer. They should just have waited it out instead of rushing out to scoop him for a 3rd. If Rathbone makes the team, more softness... People want more cap dumps which means the stronger more physical players being moved like Myers and OEL... Any improvements in those positions in both D play, O play with the needed physical element is going to cost huge so I imagine there would be a downgrade on toughness there as well... fingers crossed but I do worry....
- boonerbuck

For sure, I think skill player also develop better on teams that have some toughness(not talking 1 or 2 goons, I'm talking actual team playstyle). So it's going to be interesting to see how this management team handles this roster this summer. I'm glad they at least kept Schenn, but who knows if that was by design or simply because they didn't get a decent offer for him at the TDL.

Dermott may be mobile but the team is already too soft and he makes them even softer. They should just have waited it out instead of rushing out to scoop him for a 3rd. If Rathbone makes the team, more softness... People want more cap dumps which means the stronger more physical players being moved like Myers and OEL... Any improvements in those positions in both D play, O play with the needed physical element is going to cost huge so I imagine there would be a downgrade on toughness there as well... fingers crossed but I do worry....
- boonerbuck

I don’t disagree, my personal preference would have been sell, then ride out the season. I’m just not worked up about one deal out of four that didn’t fit my preference. Make it two, I wouldn’t have claimed Richardson either, though he’s been decent.

But Myers/OEL as physical. They are basically a cream puff with chocolate dip. Sure, better than a regular cream puff, but still a cream puff.

So basically wait and see, which I get but you need upper tier pro scouting for this strategy to be successful, and I'm just not confident that the Canucks have that caliber of pro scouting.
- Nucker101

I'm honestly so far behind. I don't know if there has been any changes in recent months to the pro scouting or not, or if allvin made changes and brought in people, I have no clue.

My hope, is that Rutherford and Allvin see something in Dermott that they maybe had seen in Doumilin when they acquired him. All we can do is wait and see.

Fair, but I think the age gap moves just added fuel to the dumpster fire.
- Nucker101

I think it all comes down to poor assessments and lack of organizational awareness. Probably about 10 years worth.

I don’t disagree, my personal preference would have been sell, then ride out the season. I’m just not worked up about one deal out of four that didn’t fit my preference. Make it two, I wouldn’t have claimed Richardson either, though he’s been decent.

But Myers/OEL as physical. They are basically a cream puff with chocolate dip. Sure, better than a regular cream puff, but still a cream puff.
- 1970vintage

Sadly on this team, they're considered in the upper half of toughness. Compare that to the Jets teams Myers played on, especially during his first couple of years there when he was more relied on as a skill guy and definitely not even in the top 10 of toughest players on his team. Really puts it into perspective right there

I think it all comes down to poor assessments and lack of organizational awareness. Probably about 10 years worth.
- Load Management

Since 2012 basically when we should have moved Kesler after getting blown out in the first round via LA. He started his whining about trade requests around then Gillis should have fleeced someone to get rid of him. It was clear he and Lou had no intentions of wanting to be here after that series. Gillis' drafting was some of the worst (if not THE worst) in club history.

I don’t disagree, my personal preference would have been sell, then ride out the season. I’m just not worked up about one deal out of four that didn’t fit my preference. Make it two, I wouldn’t have claimed Richardson either, though he’s been decent.

But Myers/OEL as physical. They are basically a cream puff with chocolate dip. Sure, better than a regular cream puff, but still a cream puff.
- 1970vintage

Well, their game isn't built around physical play like Schenn perhaps but they do play the body even if it puts them out of position and or behind the play. They are capable of moving bodies.

You might be missing the point, upgrading them with a player that improves on all 3 skills, defense, offense and physicality is something that the team won't be able to afford both asset wise and cap space most likely. I fear that the physical aspect would be what's sacrificed then.

Sadly on this team, they're considered in the upper half of toughness. Compare that to the Jets teams Myers played on, especially during his first couple of years there when he was more relied on as a skill guy and definitely not even in the top 10 of toughest players on his team. Really puts it into perspective right there
- Nucker101

Dermott may be mobile but the team is already too soft and he makes them even softer. They should just have waited it out instead of rushing out to scoop him for a 3rd. If Rathbone makes the team, more softness... People want more cap dumps which means the stronger more physical players being moved like Myers and OEL... Any improvements in those positions in both D play, O play with the needed physical element is going to cost huge so I imagine there would be a downgrade on toughness there as well... fingers crossed but I do worry....
- boonerbuck

Rathbone isn't making this team.

Well, their game isn't built around physical play like Schenn perhaps but they do play the body even if it puts them out of position and or behind the play. They are capable of moving bodies.

You might be missing the point, upgrading them with a player that improves on all 3 skills, defense, offense and physicality is something that the team won't be able to afford both asset wise and cap space most likely. I fear that the physical aspect would be what's sacrificed then.
- boonerbuck

But it’s not Dormatt that’s holding them back from this, it’s Myers and OEL that are.

Rathbone isn't making this team.
- Load Management

Writes highly skilled prospect off who would play for entry level without giving him a serious chance.

Dermott for a 3rd great addition.

But it’s not Dormatt that’s holding them back from this, it’s Myers and OEL that are.
- 1970vintage

No where did I blame him. He's not management past or present.

Writes highly skilled prospect off who would play for entry level without giving him a chance.

Dermott for a 3rd great addition.
- boonerbuck

Lolol. Complains about team softness. Willing to gift an inexperienced left side undersized specialist a position on a Defence that has Hughes already.

Lolol. Complains about team softness. Willing to gift a left side undersized specialist a position on a Defence that has Hughes already.
- Load Management

I would never gift him a spot. On the other hand, you wouldn't give him a chance.


Again, you miss the point(and make mine for me) about adding another soft player when we already have enough in the system. So trade a 3rd for another soft player because you don't want to let a cheaper soft player into the line up already in the system? Sounds like a great strategy.

I would never gift him a spot. On the other hand, you wouldn't give him a chance.


Again, you miss the point(and make mine for me) about adding another soft player when we already have enough in the system. So trade a 3rd for another soft player because you don't want to let a cheaper soft player into the line up already in the system? Sounds like a great strategy.
- boonerbuck

You did. Read your posts. You're flippity flopping all over. He had his chance. Couldn't defend against NHLers. Which is part of the reason we traded your coveted 3rd rounder for a more experienced Dman.

I personally don't care about this season one way or another, I considered it lost the second both Benning and Green were canned, the run they went on is nice and if they some how manage to beat the odds and get into the playoffs so much the better. I will hold off debating the moves this management group makes until FA because by then, they'll have done all their major moves and we'll have a clearer picture of the team they intend on building.

Honestly, the way I look at this TDL is that we essentially swapped 3rd round picks for a cheaper younger D-man that you can bury in the minors if he doesn't pan out until his contract expires and got a 4th round pick for a 4th line energy guy that wasn't going to sign here for what cap management had allocated for him. That's asset management, something previous regimes lacked, let's remember that much at least.

I personally don't care about this season one way or another, I considered it lost the second both Benning and Green were canned, the run they went on is nice and if they some how manage to beat the odds and get into the playoffs so much the better. I will hold off debating the moves this management group makes until FA because by then, they'll have done all their major moves and we'll have a clearer picture of the team they intend on building.

Honestly, the way I look at this TDL is that we essentially swapped 3rd round picks for a cheaper younger D-man that you can bury in the minors if he doesn't pan out until his contract expires and got a 4th round pick for a 4th line energy guy that wasn't going to sign here for what cap management had allocated for him. That's asset management, something previous regimes lacked, let's remember that much at least.
- DariusKnight

You did. Read your posts. You're flippity flopping all over. He had his chance. Couldn't defend against NHLers. Which is part of the reason we traded your coveted 3rd rounder for a more experienced Dman.
- Load Management

As a call up to end the season if Dermott wasn't acquired, not a permanent spot. I still say IF he makes the team talking about next season in other posts. Nice try though.

You call Rathbone's opportunity under Green's tire fire his chance? Almost the entire team crashed and burned. That wasn't a serious chance. Logically, he will have more development by next fall and under a coach who will provide better assessment.

I'm not flip flopping at all... you can't stop twisting in the wind. How many times are you going to claim you are done with this argument just to return with more spins?