You don't know what fringe means regarding hockey players then. Fringe players do play a few games but can't keep their spot in the line up. The actual definition of fringe players...
Remember the Canuck's have Poolman under contract with Rathbone in the pipeline. It's very Benning like to give up a 3rd for a expendable. Dermott's salary may need to be cleared by this summer... that would be very Benning like as well... trading the 3rd for a player the team waives or buries in the minors because of cap problems. - boonerbuck
I think the injustices of the team (trade deadline) are being blown out of proportion. The playoff push is a ruse. As much as I’d love to see Canucks make a run, the hole they dug was too deep.
I think the injustices of the team (trade deadline) are being blown out of proportion. The playoff push is a ruse. As much as I’d love to see Canucks make a run, the hole they dug was too deep. - 1970vintage
Very much so, and the last point is the unfortunate reality.
I think the injustices of the team (trade deadline) are being blown out of proportion. The playoff push is a ruse. As much as I’d love to see Canucks make a run, the hole they dug was too deep. - 1970vintage
A ruse you say? Gave up a 3rd to continue the illusion? Took on cap to sell hope they are not sincere about? Now that is a solid management strategy.
I should hope not or we are in trouble... but this would explain Benning like contradicted actions.
A fast, physical gritty excellent penalty killer who's line was the energy and shutting down the opposition while contributing quite often under Bruce. That's what's lost. Was he injured when they traded him? No. He was healthy and playing very effective.
Needed to cut salary? He is signed to the end of the season, was in under the cap and they had just cleared Hamonic salary. Dermott's salary was half of Hamonic's so they didn't need to cut his salary.
Not injured. Salary wasn't in the way. What a weird argument you just put up. - boonerbuck
They still needed to sign him if he was part of the plans. They decided to move on. So that saves whatever he wanted to get paid next year. They got a 4th rounder for their trouble. Our PK hasn't missed him, nor do I think we'll miss his 10ish points a season.
Look man, you can argue this till the cows come home, but I just can't get too worked up about losing an undersized 4th liner on a team rife with them. Especially if they were going to let him walk anyways.
They still needed to sign him if he was part of the plans. They decided to move on. So that saves whatever he wanted to get paid next year. They got a 4th rounder for their trouble. Our PK hasn't missed him, nor do I think we'll miss his 10ish points a season.
Look man, you can argue this till the cows come home, but I just can't get too worked up about losing an undersized 4th liner on a team rife with them. Especially if they were going to let him walk anyways. - Load Management
The 4rth line is useless now. It was effective before. Team was soft, now its softer. You are not making a very good argument.
I'm only discussing this with people in a civil manner. You can pretend people who you disagree with are worked up I guess, but doesnt make it so.
The 4rth line is useless now. It was effective before. Team was soft, now its softer. You are not making a very good argument.
I'm only discussing this with people in a civil manner. You can pretend people who you disagree with are worked up I guess, but doesnt make it so. - boonerbuck
I actually said that "I" can't get worked up about it. Go find me where I pretended to know how you feel about your stance.
I don't mind the way the replacements have played. You do. I think I made some good points, you call them poor arguments. I'm good leaving it here.
I actually said that "I" can't get worked up about it. Go find me where I pretended to know how you feel about your stance.
I don't mind the way the replacements have played. You do. I think I made some good points, you call them poor arguments. I'm good leaving it here. - Load Management
I must of misread it is all but it's very suggestive still...
Richardson is useless. Lammikko is better in the middle than him. I guess Richardson doesnt do wing?
Dermott is playing like a 6/7/8. Not bad, just what you'd expect from him. No need to give up a 3rd for that. You made up the part that I mind how he's playing since you are asking me to show you where you are pretending to know what I think.... I only debated giving up the pick for him.
No, I'm giving examples of the mixed messages coming out of management with their moves at the TDL. Read again.
If dropping everything Motte is was worth a 4rth, then the move giving up a 3rd for Dermott contradicts that. I was pretty clear. Yes that would have meant playing Rathbone and giving him some experience... which to me couldn't be much worse than dumping Motte and bringing in Dermott. Now Dermott will either take a spot from a young player, or his salary will be on the books while he is a healthy scratch next season.
Like Nucker said, it looked foot half in and I agree... in or out... not in between... that is what they past regime was like. - boonerbuck
They can't afford Motte so they got something for him. Yes believe it or not that must be all he's worth.
They got a NHL dman for 1.5 mill after saving us 3 mill. How are there mixed messages? Amazing
They can't afford Motte so they got something for him. Yes believe it or not that must be all he's worth.
They got a NHL dman for 1.5 mill after saving us 3 mill. How are there mixed messages? Amazing - Jkuzzi
A 4rth isn't worth busting up their energy shut down line. If the 4rth is more important than that, why trade a 3rd for a fringe NHL Dman and tie up $1.5m with Poolman coming back and Rathbone in the pipeline? I've answered this in previous posts but you asked.
4rth round pick ya baby. 3rd round pick meh...
This team is too soft.... trades a big piece of their grit speed and energy for a 4rth...
Before you lecture me about this team not realistically making it, well why doesn't the management handle the situation like that?
They want to give the guys a fighting chance after the way they played? Then why dosnt management handle the situation like that? Keep the line intact then.
A 4rth isn't worth busting up their energy shut down line. If the 4rth is more important than that, why trade a 3rd for a fringe NHL Dman and tie up $1.5m with Poolman coming back and Rathbone in the pipeline? I've answered this in previous posts but you asked.
4rth round pick ya baby. 3rd round pick meh...
This team is too soft.... trades a big piece of their grit speed and energy for a 4rth...
Before you lecture me about this team not realistically making it, well why doesn't the management handle the situation like that?
They want to give the guys a fighting chance after the way they played? Then why dosnt management handle the situation like that? Keep the line intact then.
Amazing. - boonerbuck
Maybe the problem with the team is if their entire playoff hope hinges on one 4th liner, maybe they're not good enough?
I get it, a 4th is kind of a poop return, but it's better than letting him walk for nothing especially if it doesn't impact the team. Especially if they believe they have a guy or two who can replace what he does without missing a beat.
I think a LARGE part of the equation you're missing is the player evaluation of management, which none of us completely know. Allvin talked about keeping tabs on Dermott for years, he has talked about him potentially growing into a larger role. So, in their estimation, picking up a solid bottom pairing defender that they think can grow into a #4 role is worth a 3rd rounder.
Edit: as I've also said before, people would trash JB for this kind of trade because his track record sucked donkey balls. People gave him passes at the beginning for trades, but they rarely panned out over the years. Management has a new blank slate (it's not like all trades league wide picks for players are bad), so we'll get to evaluate them as their trades pan out or not.
A 4rth isn't worth busting up their energy shut down line. If the 4rth is more important than that, why trade a 3rd for a fringe NHL Dman and tie up $1.5m with Poolman coming back and Rathbone in the pipeline? I've answered this in previous posts but you asked.
4rth round pick ya baby. 3rd round pick meh...
This team is too soft.... trades a big piece of their grit speed and energy for a 4rth...
Before you lecture me about this team not realistically making it, well why doesn't the management handle the situation like that?
They want to give the guys a fighting chance after the way they played? Then why dosnt management handle the situation like that? Keep the line intact then.
Amazing. - boonerbuck
They did handle it like they aren't making it. They traded the only Ufa that could get anything. I'm sure a bunch of player movement will happen in summer.
The 2010-11 team was the best roster the franchise has ever assembled. They recorded a franchise-best 54-19-9 record, while they scored the most (262) and gave up the least amount of goals against (185). Presidents’ Trophy. Daniel’s Art Ross Trophy and Ted Lindsay. Kesler's Selke Trophy. Burrows' scoring may be the greatest goal in franchise history? Luongo and Schneider won the William M. Jennings.
I can post the regular season stats but it's only more of the same awesome. - bloatedmosquito
Very different eras, the 94 Team had balloon like cajones !
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Mar 29 @ 10:01 AM ET
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The 2010-11 team was the best roster the franchise has ever assembled. They recorded a franchise-best 54-19-9 record, while they scored the most (262) and gave up the least amount of goals against (185). Presidents’ Trophy. Daniel’s Art Ross Trophy and Ted Lindsay. Kesler's Selke Trophy. Burrows' scoring may be the greatest goal in franchise history? Luongo and Schneider won the William M. Jennings.
I can post the regular season stats but it's only more of the same awesome. - bloatedmosquito
lol aware of the numbers bud. That 2011 squad was amazing as previously stated. However the 94 team was a different beast. I'd take that 94 club in the PO's today over that 2011 club anyday. Regardless of numbers. It's like saying Micheal Jackson is the greatest musician of all time just because he sold the most records Gotta read between the lines a bit.
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The 4rth line is useless now. It was effective before. Team was soft, now its softer. You are not making a very good argument.
I'm only discussing this with people in a civil manner. You can pretend people who you disagree with are worked up I guess, but doesnt make it so. - boonerbuck
Correct. Losing Motte and Hamonic in favour of Richardson and Dermott will not help the club short term or long term. Trying to make the PO's and moving Motte was not a good message either. Richardson is ok and can play tough Hockey in the dirty areas...but losing Motte's speed tenacity and effectiveness on the PK really hurts.
A 4rth isn't worth busting up their energy shut down line. If the 4rth is more important than that, why trade a 3rd for a fringe NHL Dman and tie up $1.5m with Poolman coming back and Rathbone in the pipeline? I've answered this in previous posts but you asked.
4rth round pick ya baby. 3rd round pick meh...
This team is too soft.... trades a big piece of their grit speed and energy for a 4rth...
Before you lecture me about this team not realistically making it, well why doesn't the management handle the situation like that?
They want to give the guys a fighting chance after the way they played? Then why dosnt management handle the situation like that? Keep the line intact then.
Amazing. - boonerbuck
Could it be possible that they don't see Rathbone as an NHL defenseman?
So they went and cleared up capspace(Hamonic) for a player that they think will fit what they need on the backend.(Dermott)
I have gone on record saying I don't know much about Dermott, as I don't watch the Leafs, but I have also expressed some concerns about this management team.
I gave Benning 6 years before I lost all faith in him, I am sure I can give this new group at least 6 months before jumping all over them.
Correct. Losing Motte and Hamonic in favour of Richardson and Dermott will not help the club short term or long term. Trying to make the PO's and moving Motte was not a good message either. Richardson is ok and can play tough Hockey in the dirty areas...but losing Motte's speed tenacity and effectiveness on the PK really hurts. - LordHumungous
What if Motte wants 3mill x 5. Keep him? He's 4th liner. Get another for next year. Have you heard the Jannick Hansen interview?
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What if Motte wants 3mill x 5. Keep him? He's 4th liner. Get another for next year. Have you heard the Jannick Hansen interview? - Jkuzzi
For an extra $500,000 they probably could have kept Motte...he's earned it. Now we have a 4th line that's seemingly ineffective and have to start over. Not the right Message I bet Boudreau was pissed when he heard Motte was gone. Hamonic as well.
Gotta read between the lines a bit. 