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ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Apr 4 @ 11:26 AM ET
Paul Maurice? I hope you’re kidding! Maurice has always had problems with team discipline, not only in taking stupid penalties at terrible times but his teams always unravel and stop playing a team game and the players play as individuals.
- paulr

Those claims might all be valid, but from what I’ve heard Winnipeg has multiple guys who are not the greatest to have in a room. That may be why he quit the team earlier this year. These are all just rumors but I could be convinced he’s not a good coach. Got any numbers to back up your penalties claim?
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Apr 4 @ 11:36 AM ET
Those claims might all be valid, but from what I’ve heard Winnipeg has multiple guys who are not the greatest to have in a room. That may be why he quit the team earlier this year. These are all just rumors but I could be convinced he’s not a good coach. Got any numbers to back up your penalties claim?
- ObeseOprah

https://www.reddit.com/r/...m=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Found the rumor about a toxic jets dressing room.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Apr 4 @ 11:49 AM ET
https://www.reddit.com/r/nhl/comments/t4h81c/winnipeg_journalist_bluntly_describes_jets/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Found the rumor about a toxic jets dressing room.

- ObeseOprah


Is Maurice an advanced stats guy? I think that is the way KD is going. He seems to be big on analytics, and MacIver was also in Seattle, that their first hire was an analytics person, and Ron Francis has always been a big analytics guy.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Apr 4 @ 11:55 AM ET
Hello, Duffer. Hope you are well.

Just wanted to point out that drinking is a fine idea whether the team is good or bad!

- mohel

Hey Mohel all good here hope you are doing well . Oh yes could not agree more drinking and Hawks hockey and most sporting events go together like ice cream and cake . Only thing I find now as we descend into darkness again it helps to notch up the drinking a little more, pain killer I guess . Hold on this could be a deep dive . We need to go full on tank ,embrace the horror . The 23 draft has some real gems . Cheers
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 4 @ 12:12 PM ET
Those claims might all be valid, but from what I’ve heard Winnipeg has multiple guys who are not the greatest to have in a room. That may be why he quit the team earlier this year. These are all just rumors but I could be convinced he’s not a good coach. Got any numbers to back up your penalties claim?
- ObeseOprah

There are no stats to back up players taking penalties at bad times. While I can only go with anecdotes, I have watched Winnipeg play dozens of times while Maurice coached and the team would lose composure at bad times, example the Jets are up late in a game, a minor infraction like their goalie gets sprayed and a Jet player retaliates. And it wasn’t a one off. It happened all the time. But the worst problem with his team was when the team started to lose momentum in a game the structure Maurice coached into the team evaporated with players abandoning the system and playing as individuals. Almost every game Maurice would lose his poop behind the bench. While some fans seem to think an emotional coach is what the Hawks need, I’d argue players need to see control and calm more often than not.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Apr 4 @ 12:31 PM ET
There are no stats to back up players taking penalties at bad times. While I can only go with anecdotes, I have watched Winnipeg play dozens of times while Maurice coached and the team would lose composure at bad times, example the Jets are up late in a game, a minor infraction like their goalie gets sprayed and a Jet player retaliates. And it wasn’t a one off. It happened all the time. But the worst problem with his team was when the team started to lose momentum in a game the structure Maurice coached into the team evaporated with players abandoning the system and playing as individuals. Almost every game Maurice would lose his poop behind the bench. While some fans seem to think an emotional coach is what the Hawks need, I’d argue players need to see control and calm more often than not.
- paulr


Like Q grabbing his crotch?
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Apr 4 @ 12:37 PM ET
Whether Kubalik had left the zone is not really relevant, the Hawks won the face off and C Jones made a stupid play. C Jones, McCabe, and Gus have to be bottom ten defensemen in the NHL. While there are many reasons for the Hawks record, those three are the biggest reason as to why the Hawks are where they are.
- Angotti



This is exactly right, and you forgot deHaan. Add to that the fact that S.Jones is just not really that great in his own end and viola.....it's hard to win games against even the worst teams.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 4 @ 12:44 PM ET
Like Q grabbing his crotch?
- powerenforcer

If Q was losing his poop all the time it would have been a problem. The difference is Maurice is continually losing it.

powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Apr 4 @ 12:50 PM ET
If Q was losing his poop all the time it would have been a problem. The difference is Maurice is continually losing it.
- paulr



Just for the record, I am against Maurice being named coach of the Blackhawks.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 4 @ 1:01 PM ET
Just for the record, I am against Maurice being named coach of the Blackhawks.
- powerenforcer

Who would you like to see hired as coach?
Popsghostly
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 08.11.2017

Apr 4 @ 1:06 PM ET
I never understood this. If they stand in front of their own goalie, they are screening him. If they don't stand there, they are basically leaving an opponent (or two) uncovered with inside position in front of their goalie. So which is the better way to play it?

If you watch literally any team in the league they have defensemen standing in front of their goalie. What is the proper way to play?

- Chunk


Good question Chunk. In the day, D-Men like Smith, Beukeboom, Stevens, etc. had a lot more freedom to crosscheck and interfere with forwards in the crease area to just move the forwards out of the way, but it's still the same, move forwards out of the way but not block your goalie's view. If a D-Men is going to obstruct his goalies' view for example by blocking a shot, by all means, he better block that shot or the goalies can't see it. Keith of old day was particularly good with jabs to the back of forward's legs and Seebs had sense enough to push and not block Crow's vision. Hammer was a monster in blocking shots.

The Hawks D are not particularly strong and don't move players well. Worse yet, the Hawks' D that can move people tend to end up just watching the puck, miss it or are too slow to react- see Murphy, McCabe and DeHaan.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Apr 4 @ 1:16 PM ET
Good question Chunk. In the day, D-Men like Smith, Beukeboom, Stevens, etc. had a lot more freedom to crosscheck and interfere with forwards in the crease area to just move the forwards out of the way, but it's still the same, move forwards out of the way but not block your goalie's view. If a D-Men is going to obstruct his goalies' view for example by blocking a shot, by all means, he better block that shot or the goalies can't see it. Keith of old day was particularly good with jabs to the back of forward's legs and Seebs had sense enough to push and not block Crow's vision. Hammer was a monster in blocking shots.

The Hawks D are not particularly strong and don't move players well. Worse yet, the Hawks' D that can move people tend to end up just watching the puck, miss it or are too slow to react- see Murphy, McCabe and DeHaan.

- Popsghostly

Seabrook would stand at the corner of the net and not let anyone inside of him. Countless times he saved a goal with his stick when the puck was past the goalie and about to go over the line.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Apr 4 @ 1:42 PM ET
Who would you like to see hired as coach?
- paulr


Ted Nolan, or a Sutter brother.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Apr 4 @ 2:14 PM ET
Who would you like to see hired as coach?
- paulr


Does it matter when over 2/3 the team is borderline AHL quality?
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 4 @ 2:17 PM ET
Ted Nolan, or a Sutter brother.
- powerenforcer

Ted Nolan, I completely forgot about him. I think he was Blacklisted for being too vocal about a number of things? If he’s still involved in coaching I’d certainly like to see him get a chance. You always know what you’re going to get from any Suter coach. One guy I’m curious about, although I have no idea how good a coach he is or his potential is Canadien assistant coach Luke Richardson.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 4 @ 2:18 PM ET
Does it matter when over 2/3 the team is borderline AHL quality?
- LAHawk

In terms of trying to win now, no but they need a guy who can build a competitive culture and can develop.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Apr 4 @ 2:26 PM ET
Ted Nolan, I completely forgot about him. I think he was Blacklisted for being too vocal about a number of things? If he’s still involved in coaching I’d certainly like to see him get a chance. You always know what you’re going to get from any Suter coach. One guy I’m curious about, although I have no idea how good a coach he is or his potential is Canadien assistant coach Luke Richardson.
- paulr


Could be wrong but thought he was blacklisted for bedding one of the player's wives. Total hearsay but seem to remember reading that some time back.

Edit - Sorry...was confusing him with Reg Dunlop.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Apr 4 @ 2:26 PM ET
In terms of trying to win now, no but they need a guy who can build a competitive culture and can develop.
- paulr


Unfortunately right now there are maybe 4 guys in the system that are worthy of taking the time to develop. The rest are what you saw last night. How many games since the trade deadline, that the only line that isn't crushed when on the ice is Strome, ADB and Kane.

We have maybe 2 at Rockford that project to possibly be above average NHL'ers (Reichel and Mitchell). The rest are roster fillers.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Apr 4 @ 2:29 PM ET
Ted Nolan, I completely forgot about him. I think he was Blacklisted for being too vocal about a number of things? If he’s still involved in coaching I’d certainly like to see him get a chance. You always know what you’re going to get from any Suter coach. One guy I’m curious about, although I have no idea how good a coach he is or his potential is Canadien assistant coach Luke Richardson.
- paulr


The last thing I remember about him was that he was coaching Poland's national team.
Popsghostly
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 08.11.2017

Apr 4 @ 2:31 PM ET
Seabrook would stand at the corner of the net and not let anyone inside of him. Countless times he saved a goal with his stick when the puck was past the goalie and about to go over the line.
- rpeters01


Yeah miss Seabrook a ton. Gave it all. Physicality, booming shot, good positioning, so many great qualities.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Apr 4 @ 2:40 PM ET
Yeah miss Seabrook a ton. Gave it all. Physicality, booming shot, good positioning, so many great qualities.
- Popsghostly


I hope if Seabs wants to get into coaching the Blackhawks give him the opportunity to learn at Rockford. I just think his leadership qualities are something young guys can learn from.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 4 @ 2:45 PM ET
The last thing I remember about him was that he was coaching Poland's national team.
- Chunk

There’s a Polish joke coming right?
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 4 @ 2:46 PM ET
Unfortunately right now there are maybe 4 guys in the system that are worthy of taking the time to develop. The rest are what you saw last night. How many games since the trade deadline, that the only line that isn't crushed when on the ice is Strome, ADB and Kane.

We have maybe 2 at Rockford that project to possibly be above average NHL'ers (Reichel and Mitchell). The rest are roster fillers.

- LAHawk

So they may have well have kept JC?
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Apr 4 @ 2:50 PM ET
Seabrook would stand at the corner of the net and not let anyone inside of him. Countless times he saved a goal with his stick when the puck was past the goalie and about to go over the line.
- rpeters01

He might just be the most underrated defenseman in the history of the NHL. Keith doesn’t win two Norris trophies without Seabrook. The guy was a rock back there, had a heavy shot, and scored many big goals.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Apr 4 @ 3:01 PM ET
So they may have well have kept JC?
- paulr


Has it been different under King? the BOD still declares the Hawks don't have a system. Maybe the players are incapable of playing a system? Could someone tell me what defensive system McCabe was playing on Arizona's second goal? Gave away the blue line, backed all the way in on Lankinen, then pirouetted out of the way as Boyd took the puck right down Broadway. I had to check and make sure that was #6 not #56, but then again it really does not surprise me.
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