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MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Apr 5 @ 7:24 AM ET
I’m not saying anything about his talent, and his goals are awesome. To me you can’t poke the goalie in a 5-0 game, then have your buddy charge in gloves up and blame the other guy afterward. There’s literally articles floating around that say nothing but “Beagle cross checks Zegras, then beats up Terry”, with absolutely no context.
- Grinder47



Yeah...poking goalies, just like starting fights, late in 5-0 game is crap and disrespectful...and Terry did initiate it with Beagle, came right at him..from behind....
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 5 @ 7:29 AM ET
I'm always fascinated by how emotional and riled up you get over everything anyone says that doesn't match your feelings.

I was speaking in generalities, not making a tough guy statement. I hope you find something meaningful in your life that will help you be less of an angry weirdo someday. Hang in there.

- MacPatty

Nah you were making a tough guy statement. Clown.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 5 @ 7:31 AM ET
So you’re saying it’s Beagles fault for falsely identifying the level of Terry’s aggression? Nah (frank) that, don’t go charging in like the Calvary if you’re not willing to fight. It’s also Beagle who has a total of 9 career fights, not exactly Bob Probert. I don’t understand how Terry didn’t get the extra 2 and game for instigating the fight in the final 5 minutes.
- Grinder47

Ahh so any time there’s a scrum just start firing punches.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 5 @ 8:39 AM ET
Ahh so any time there’s a scrum just start firing punches.
- Feds91Stammer

No, in that circumstance yes. However if it always resulted in a fight I think there would be a lot less stupid scrums.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Apr 5 @ 9:53 AM ET
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Jason Zucker and Brock McGinn (both wearing full gear) are on the ice working with skills coach Ty Hennes before the Penguins optional morning skate.


That's good news.
joecool2931
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rillton, PA
Joined: 09.03.2015

Apr 5 @ 10:08 AM ET
So you’re saying it’s Beagles fault for falsely identifying the level of Terry’s aggression? Nah (frank) that, don’t go charging in like the Calvary if you’re not willing to fight. It’s also Beagle who has a total of 9 career fights, not exactly Bob Probert. I don’t understand how Terry didn’t get the extra 2 and game for instigating the fight in the final 5 minutes.
- Grinder47


Really though, Terry made Beagle look like Wilson fighting Ian Cole.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 5 @ 10:29 AM ET
The way Zegras scored that goal was the only way he could have gotten around Milano and scored that goal in that situation. He did that when the ducks were only up 2-0 at the end of the first. Firstly, 2-0 is still anyones game. Ducks should still have been playing aggressive and looking to light the lamp and that’s exactly what Zegras did. Secondly, I think if you can score a goal you should score a goal no matter the score. Even if the ducks were already up big when Zegras did that I have no problem with it. Otherwise we should get mad when guys score on an empty netter up 2 in the final minute of the game, something that has absolutely no point but to make guys feel good about scoring a goal. Why don’t we consider that hot dogging and kicking a team when they’re down?

So ultimately Beagle got mad because a guy scored a goal when the game was still close. Yeah the play was flowery and Zegras is a bit of a hot dogger, but the lacrosse play was also physically necessary to get around Milano and score. That’s just Beagle getting in his feelings and losing his marbles because his team got embarrassed in 5-0 game. The cross check was a trash play by a 4th line player justifying his job. Which is normal, and the scrum was normal, and the fighting of a player that didn’t drop the gloves was normal, and the lack of disciplinary action on Beagle for being a poophead is normal because thr NHL is happy to let the players police themselves with this extremely vague code that means different things at different times depending on the players in question. This isn’t news and won’t change, so it’s not really worth debating whether or not Terry was wronged in this situation or not. Just gotta roll your eyes at Beagle for being a huge baby and move on.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Apr 5 @ 10:31 AM ET
That's good news.
- Rinosaur



It is..and all 3 sickies are back on the ice today as well....so nachos for Hallander I would imagine haha
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Apr 5 @ 10:32 AM ET
I agree if you face wash someone you should be able to be punched.

But I love the lacrosse goals, or the ovi flaming stick. I want someone out here acting like Terrell owens skating around with a sharpie in his sock so after he scores he can sign his stick and throw it into the seats for a fan. Score a hattrick on the road and do a kovalev moon walk across the opponents centre I’ve logo. That will create a better rivalry than forcing us to watch the same stupid playoff matchups for years on end.

- 10inchTerror


I think a lot of the celebratory stuff is overdone. I'm all for it as long as guys step up to the plate when someone takes exception to it.

I honestly don't get how anyone can be against fighting in hockey. I think it is one of the best things about the sport.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Apr 5 @ 10:33 AM ET
It is..and all 3 sickies are back on the ice today as well....so nachos for Hallander I would imagine haha
- MattStrat


Nachos sound good to me.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Apr 5 @ 10:35 AM ET
I think a lot of the celebratory stuff is overdone. I'm all for it as long as guys step up to the plate when someone takes exception to it.

I honestly don't get how anyone can be against fighting in hockey. I think it is one of the best things about the sport.

- MacPatty


I think there's a time and place for it but the older I get the more I've found it kind of funny how it is the only pro sport where its imbedded in the culture, expected and sh!t. Grown men throwing tantrums and fighting haha. I know you get fights in other major leagues but its rare.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Apr 5 @ 10:35 AM ET
Nachos sound good to me.
- Rinosaur


Yup, they do, don't they? I haven't had nachos in a very long time and am now considering making some for the game tonight hahah
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Apr 5 @ 10:40 AM ET
Yup, they do, don't they? I haven't had nachos in a very long time and am now considering making some for the game tonight hahah
- MattStrat


Ya know, I may follow suit.
10inchTerror
Joined: 10.13.2019

Apr 5 @ 11:02 AM ET
It is..and all 3 sickies are back on the ice today as well....so nachos for Hallander I would imagine haha
- MattStrat


My dream job. 13th forward.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 5 @ 11:32 AM ET
The way Zegras scored that goal was the only way he could have gotten around Milano and scored that goal in that situation. He did that when the ducks were only up 2-0 at the end of the first. Firstly, 2-0 is still anyones game. Ducks should still have been playing aggressive and looking to light the lamp and that’s exactly what Zegras did. Secondly, I think if you can score a goal you should score a goal no matter the score. Even if the ducks were already up big when Zegras did that I have no problem with it. Otherwise we should get mad when guys score on an empty netter up 2 in the final minute of the game, something that has absolutely no point but to make guys feel good about scoring a goal. Why don’t we consider that hot dogging and kicking a team when they’re down?

So ultimately Beagle got mad because a guy scored a goal when the game was still close. Yeah the play was flowery and Zegras is a bit of a hot dogger, but the lacrosse play was also physically necessary to get around Milano and score. That’s just Beagle getting in his feelings and losing his marbles because his team got embarrassed in 5-0 game. The cross check was a trash play by a 4th line player justifying his job. Which is normal, and the scrum was normal, and the fighting of a player that didn’t drop the gloves was normal, and the lack of disciplinary action on Beagle for being a poophead is normal because thr NHL is happy to let the players police themselves with this extremely vague code that means different things at different times depending on the players in question. This isn’t news and won’t change, so it’s not really worth debating whether or not Terry was wronged in this situation or not. Just gotta roll your eyes at Beagle for being a huge baby and move on.

- Victoro311

Yea Beagle blows donkey Richard anyways haha. Kevin Bieksa said it best, he wouldn't have done what Beagle did and take advantage of a smaller player and pound on Terry. The cross-check was whatever, it wasn't even that bad.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 5 @ 11:33 AM ET
Yup, they do, don't they? I haven't had nachos in a very long time and am now considering making some for the game tonight hahah
- MattStrat

That does sound good, I too may make some nachos haha
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 5 @ 11:47 AM ET
Yea Beagle blows donkey Richard anyways haha. Kevin Bieksa said it best, he wouldn't have done what Beagle did and take advantage of a smaller player and pound on Terry. The cross-check was whatever, it wasn't even that bad.
- 668710

I’m the opposite. The cross check is what I have a problem with. The scrum is whatever. Blindside cross checking someone is low rent and a generally dangerous play. Doesn’t matter if this particular one wasn’t that dangerous, if you don’t come down on something as blatant as a cross check to the back hen it gives the Dubinskys of the world free reign to break sticks over people’s backs.

The scrum I don’t care. Someone should have fought Beagle after the cross check, and while I won’t say Terry should have expected his face to get pounded in, I will say that if he’s going to defend his teammate he should have gone the whole nine yards and been ready for what obviously was going to be a fight. I think Beagle should have been punished for a low rent cross check, but the fight, even though I think Beagle was being an bumhole, should have been treated and officiated like any other fight. Terry didn’t engage but he did technically imitate it.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 5 @ 11:48 AM ET
That does sound good, I too may make some nachos haha
- 668710

(frank) it. Might as well make some nachos too.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 5 @ 11:59 AM ET
The way Zegras scored that goal was the only way he could have gotten around Milano and scored that goal in that situation. He did that when the ducks were only up 2-0 at the end of the first. Firstly, 2-0 is still anyones game. Ducks should still have been playing aggressive and looking to light the lamp and that’s exactly what Zegras did. Secondly, I think if you can score a goal you should score a goal no matter the score. Even if the ducks were already up big when Zegras did that I have no problem with it. Otherwise we should get mad when guys score on an empty netter up 2 in the final minute of the game, something that has absolutely no point but to make guys feel good about scoring a goal. Why don’t we consider that hot dogging and kicking a team when they’re down?

So ultimately Beagle got mad because a guy scored a goal when the game was still close. Yeah the play was flowery and Zegras is a bit of a hot dogger, but the lacrosse play was also physically necessary to get around Milano and score. That’s just Beagle getting in his feelings and losing his marbles because his team got embarrassed in 5-0 game. The cross check was a trash play by a 4th line player justifying his job. Which is normal, and the scrum was normal, and the fighting of a player that didn’t drop the gloves was normal, and the lack of disciplinary action on Beagle for being a poophead is normal because thr NHL is happy to let the players police themselves with this extremely vague code that means different things at different times depending on the players in question. This isn’t news and won’t change, so it’s not really worth debating whether or not Terry was wronged in this situation or not. Just gotta roll your eyes at Beagle for being a huge baby and move on.

- Victoro311

The thing I think people are just making up out of thin air is that Beagle was mad about the goal, or how it was scored. I think it was a 5-0 blowout and Zegras took at shot at the goalie and Beagle had no idea who he was fighting, just the first guy that grabbed him. If it hadn’t been a 30 goal scorer who decided to engage him, would just be a fight.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 5 @ 12:02 PM ET
The thing I think people are just making up out of thin air is that Beagle was mad about the goal, or how it was scored. I think it was a 5-0 blowout and Zegras took at shot at the goalie and Beagle had no idea who he was fighting, just the first guy that grabbed him. If it hadn’t been a 30 goal scorer who decided to engage him, would just be a fight.
- Grinder47

Zegras plays to the whistle.

Beagle lays a cheap shot cross check.

Scrum ensues.

Beagle fights a guy that didn’t drop the gloves.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 5 @ 12:04 PM ET
The thing I think people are just making up out of thin air is that Beagle was mad about the goal, or how it was scored. I think it was a 5-0 blowout and Zegras took at shot at the goalie and Beagle had no idea who he was fighting, just the first guy that grabbed him. If it hadn’t been a 30 goal scorer who decided to engage him, would just be a fight.
- Grinder47

Honestly think you might be right. The goal happened in the first period. Beagle was probably just mad at the score and decided to lose without dignity.

Not really sure what you mean by taking a shot at the goalie. He poked at the puck being covered by the goalie before the whistle blew. Literally everyone does that. After the whistle is another thing but this was well before the whistle.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 5 @ 12:06 PM ET
Honestly think you might be right. The goal happened in the first period. Beagle was probably just mad at the score and decided to lose without dignity.

Not really sure what you mean by taking a shot at the goalie. He poked at the puck being covered by the goalie before the whistle blew. Literally everyone does that. After the whistle is another thing but this was well before the whistle.

- Victoro311

Yeah Beagle simply overreacted twice imo. Cross checks to the back and fighting dudes that didn’t drop the gloves are both chump moves. Both instances warranted a reaction but that was bush league.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 5 @ 12:07 PM ET
The thing I think people are just making up out of thin air is that Beagle was mad about the goal, or how it was scored. I think it was a 5-0 blowout and Zegras took at shot at the goalie and Beagle had no idea who he was fighting, just the first guy that grabbed him. If it hadn’t been a 30 goal scorer who decided to engage him, would just be a fight.
- Grinder47

You can thank dumbass Tyson Nash for starting that narrative.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Apr 5 @ 12:16 PM ET
Yeah Beagle simply overreacted twice imo. Cross checks to the back and fighting dudes that didn’t drop the gloves are both chump moves. Both instances warranted a reaction but that was bush league.
- Feds91Stammer

It was a classless move. The announcers acting like it was warranted was a joke too. It's a poverty franchise icing no talent 4th liners throughout the lineup because they wanted a bunch of 2nd round picks. I'm shocked this hasn't happen more often this season.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 5 @ 12:16 PM ET
Yeah Beagle simply overreacted twice imo. Cross checks to the back and fighting dudes that didn’t drop the gloves are both chump moves. Both instances warranted a reaction but that was bush league.
- Feds91Stammer

Yeah you should dump a guy out of the circle when they’re poking at a goalie when he has it covered. You also can do that without a blindside cross check.
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