If that were the case our defense would be considerably better now wouldn’t it…

See Cale Makar for clarification.
- Joe Nardone

lol

Individual players don't win or lose a playoff series. Teams do.

See above
- Joe Nardone

Clearly I posted the team as a contender and is not the same context that you failed with. I can explain it to you in very simple terms if need be.

If that were the case our defense would be considerably better now wouldn’t it…

See Cale Makar for clarification.
- Joe Nardone

You understand time correct?

Clarke said Makar but the scouts wanted to pick Heiskanen. Either way the Flyers chose the wrong player in hindsight.
- mickel25

Do you really believe that spin the Flyers are trying to sell....

Individual players don't win or lose a playoff series. Teams do.

See above
- Joe Nardone

Nope, but they certainly have a good team. Dunno about a championship team, but it’s pretty solid.
Plus, the NBA, more than any other league, is star driven. They have that, too.

Clarke still has considerable influence as does Holmgren.
- MJL

Please provide all evidence for this statement.

The sucksers are going nowhere. They have no depth and no defense!! And one of these mornings your buddy Embiid will sneeze real hard and be out a month. Harden a waste of space at this point in his career. I schooled the Sixers dork cause said that was a bad trade when it happened and he was humping the Sixers jocks. Owned again loser.

Do you really believe that spin the Flyers are trying to sell....
- hfc355

Even if it is spin it's not very good spin. Frankly, I don't really care but I thought a few sources confirmed it was indeed Heiskanen and not Makar.

Clarke still has considerable influence as does Holmgren.
- MJL

The lengths you go to protect your dad the Saint.

Can you please define considerable influence for those here who post. There is nothing to show they have considerable influence.

Do you think those 2 have any say in personal decisions? Drafting? Development? All of much where not all that great under the saint, who was in complete control. He failed. Just like the current GM is a failure.

The sucksers are going nowhere. They have no depth and no defense!! And one of these mornings your buddy Embiid will sneeze real hard and be out a month. Harden a waste of space at this point in his career. I schooled the Sixers dork cause said that was a bad trade when it happened and he was humping the Sixers jocks. Owned again loser.
- Phillywhiteout

Youre an intellectual juggernaut

Youre an intellectual juggernaut
- THE BLACK HAND

Thank you!! Glad you've FINALLY seen the light! Thanks again! Many many thanks!

This board is shaping up nicely today - wasted no time getting into mid-day form. I like the energy.

It will be interesting to see what Yeo does with the lines with Brink coming in. We are lite on centers. I don’t know if Farabee is well yet. If so, I sat Thompson here. I don’t really think Atkinson has played well lately but I wouldn’t sit him. Who knows if JVR sits.

Cates - Hayes - Tippett
TK - Laughton - Brink
JVR - Frost - Farabee
Lindblom - Patrick - Atkinson
- NC Flyers Fan

I would like to see TK, Frost and Lindblom together. They have had some real chemistry when put together.

This board is shaping up nicely today - wasted no time getting into mid-day form. I like the energy.
- Scoob

fcs

The Flyers need to draft one of those big centers in the top 5 of the draft. Put Frost on the wing. He's too small to be a center. Thanks!

This board is shaping up nicely today - wasted no time getting into mid-day form. I like the energy.
- Scoob

Good way to start the week

Clarke still has considerable influence as does Holmgren.
- MJL

Not true. Bob spends more time in Florida than in the NE and really isn't all that focused -- or interested -- in what's going on in the NHL on a day-to-day basis although he stays up with the Flyers themselves. He's gotten a little more involved during Chuck Fletcher's tenure because they are close.

Paul is semi-retired, and has been since stepping down as team president. He does stay plugged in with the league. He gives opinions as solicited but is not one to simply meddle.

Bill Barber is there to answer hockey strategy-related and hockey-ops related questions that Dave Scott may have.

I have explained this. Anthony San Filippo has explained this. Yet people persist in insisting otherwise. The most influential of the Flyers' senior advisors is the one with the lowest profile among Philly fans: Dean Lombardi. And Danny Briere's level of sway and influence has grown significantly over the past calendar year and will continue to do so.

But Homer especially and Clarke really have no interest in anymore in "running the team". If they did, Homer would still be team president and both of them would still be around on a day-to-day basis. They know it's a 24/7/365 commitment because they did it for so many years.

Not true. Bob spends more time in Florida than in the NE and really isn't all that focused -- or interested -- in what's going on in the NHL on a day-to-day basis although he stays up with the Flyers themselves. He's gotten a little more involved during Chuck Fletcher's tenure because they are close.

Paul is semi-retired, and has been since stepping down as team president. He does stay plugged in with the league. He gives opinions as solicited but is not one to simply meddle.

Bill Barber is there to answer hockey strategy-related and hockey-ops related questions that Dave Scott may have.

I have explained this. Anthony San Filippo has explained this. Yet people persist in insisting otherwise. The most influential of the Flyers' senior advisors is the one with the lowest profile among Philly fans: Dean Lombardi. And Danny Briere's level of sway and influence has grown significantly over the past calendar year and will continue to do so.

But Homer especially and Clarke really have no interest in anymore in "running the team". If they did, Homer would still be team president and both of them would still be around on a day-to-day basis. They know it's a 24/7/365 commitment because they did it for so many years.
- bmeltzer

Bill here is my take as well.

Clarke and Holmgren imo do not even follow the NHL to an extent. Are they aware of the top players and the like, of course. Other than that they are enjoying life. They probably have no idea on majority of the flyers prospects. If you asked the they would give you the generic standard answer describing their play.

I do not think they are involved in any of the day to any operations. This is Chuck and Scots show 100%. Now do I think those 2 clowns bounce ideas or ask those other 2 their opinion? No doubt 100%. Now that is an issue as the game as passed both by. I do not think they interfere in any way unless they are asked or Chuck seeks them out.

Well having Barber in a that role isn't all that inspiring in any way.

Clarke said Makar but the scouts wanted to pick Heiskanen. Either way the Flyers chose the wrong player in hindsight.
- mickel25

From my understanding, the consensus was "take one of the two D-men". Some wanted Heiskanen, some wanted to roll the dice on Makar (who was a Junior A leaguer at the time) but the Makar people would have also gotten behind taking Heiskanen. Hexy (and probably Sarge) wanted the big RH center with what seemed to be a pretty complete game and above-average offensive upside. And also keep in mind that Patrick (a late birthday player) would have been a top 10 pick even in 2016 were he eligible. He'd entered 2016-17 season as the nearly unanimous-across-hockey No. 1 prospect for the Draft. Then he had bilateral sports hernias (of which only one was operated upon), a basically flatline development 2016-17 season (explainable by the core muscle issues) and didn't interview well at the Combine. Plus other players -- Hischier, Heiskanen and Makar -- took developmental jumps.

No one thought Patrick was a bad pick. There was just a belief that others had caught/passed him as a prospect and that Patrick's ceiling might not turn out to be dramatically higher than his floor (which was still rather high).

From my understanding, the consensus was "take one of the two D-men". Some wanted Heiskanen, some wanted to roll the dice on Makar (who was a Junior A leaguer at the time) but the Makar people would have also gotten behind taking Heiskanen. Hexy (and probably Sarge) wanted the big RH center with what seemed to be a pretty complete game and above-average offensive upside. And also keep in mind that Patrick (a late birthday player) would have been a top 10 pick even in 2016 were he eligible. He'd entered 2016-17 season as the nearly unanimous-across-hockey No. 1 prospect for the Draft. Then he had bilateral sports hernias (of which only one was operated upon), a basically flatline development 2016-17 season (explainable by the core muscle issues) and didn't interview well at the Combine. Plus other players -- Hischier, Heiskanen and Makar -- took developmental jumps.

No one thought Patrick was a bad pick. There was just a belief that others had caught/passed him as a prospect and that Patrick's ceiling might not turn out to be dramatically higher than his floor (which was still rather high).
- bmeltzer

Thanks for the input Bill. I agree that NoPa was a good choice at the time. It definitely did not work out though.

From my understanding, the consensus was "take one of the two D-men". Some wanted Heiskanen, some wanted to roll the dice on Makar (who was a Junior A leaguer at the time) but the Makar people would have also gotten behind taking Heiskanen. Hexy (and probably Sarge) wanted the big RH center with what seemed to be a pretty complete game and above-average offensive upside. And also keep in mind that Patrick (a late birthday player) would have been a top 10 pick even in 2016 were he eligible. He'd entered 2016-17 season as the nearly unanimous-across-hockey No. 1 prospect for the Draft. Then he had bilateral sports hernias (of which only one was operated upon), a basically flatline development 2016-17 season (explainable by the core muscle issues) and didn't interview well at the Combine. Plus other players -- Hischier, Heiskanen and Makar -- took developmental jumps.

No one thought Patrick was a bad pick. There was just a belief that others had caught/passed him as a prospect and that Patrick's ceiling might not turn out to be dramatically higher than his floor (which was still rather high).
- bmeltzer

No way Bill. How dare you say Ronald Hextall made what turned out to be a bad pick. That is just Clarke making things up and putting blame on Hextall to make his BFF Chuck look good.

I kid of course and thanks for all the behind the scenes insight. Maybe now we can put some of this to bed.

On a side note how has JR Avon looked this year. Stats look nice though do not hear much at all about him.

Not true. Bob spends more time in Florida than in the NE and really isn't all that focused -- or interested -- in what's going on in the NHL on a day-to-day basis although he stays up with the Flyers themselves. He's gotten a little more involved during Chuck Fletcher's tenure because they are close.

Paul is semi-retired, and has been since stepping down as team president. He does stay plugged in with the league. He gives opinions as solicited but is not one to simply meddle.

Bill Barber is there to answer hockey strategy-related and hockey-ops related questions that Dave Scott may have.

I have explained this. Anthony San Filippo has explained this. Yet people persist in insisting otherwise. The most influential of the Flyers' senior advisors is the one with the lowest profile among Philly fans: Dean Lombardi. And Danny Briere's level of sway and influence has grown significantly over the past calendar year and will continue to do so.

But Homer especially and Clarke really have no interest in anymore in "running the team". If they did, Homer would still be team president and both of them would still be around on a day-to-day basis. They know it's a 24/7/365 commitment because they did it for so many years.
- bmeltzer

That's good to know. I'm really tired of people trying to blame the issues with the team's roster on anyone but the current GM. He's been in charge for almost four years now which is a very long time in the NHL. Even if he was getting bad advice from former Flyers, that's on him for listening to it.

Not true. Bob spends more time in Florida than in the NE and really isn't all that focused -- or interested -- in what's going on in the NHL on a day-to-day basis although he stays up with the Flyers themselves. He's gotten a little more involved during Chuck Fletcher's tenure because they are close.

Paul is semi-retired, and has been since stepping down as team president. He does stay plugged in with the league. He gives opinions as solicited but is not one to simply meddle.

Bill Barber is there to answer hockey strategy-related and hockey-ops related questions that Dave Scott may have.

I have explained this. Anthony San Filippo has explained this. Yet people persist in insisting otherwise. The most influential of the Flyers' senior advisors is the one with the lowest profile among Philly fans: Dean Lombardi. And Danny Briere's level of sway and influence has grown significantly over the past calendar year and will continue to do so.

But Homer especially and Clarke really have no interest in anymore in "running the team". If they did, Homer would still be team president and both of them would still be around on a day-to-day basis. They know it's a 24/7/365 commitment because they did it for so many years.
- bmeltzer

The truth doesn’t fit some posters narratives. Pure and simple. They continue to spew this argument about the “old guard”…it’s laughable. Clarke and Holmgren are the boogy man in the closet. It gives them someone to blame when the actual truth is a hell of lot more simple.
Some just don’t like truth…they would rather go down the road of conspiracy theories as it allows them to deflect away from the narrative and nonsense they have been continuously pushing.

Bill here is my take as well.

Clarke and Holmgren imo do not even follow the NHL to an extent. Are they aware of the top players and the like, of course. Other than that they are enjoying life. They probably have no idea on majority of the flyers prospects. If you asked the they would give you the generic standard answer describing their play.

I do not think they are involved in any of the day to any operations. This is Chuck and Scots show 100%. Now do I think those 2 clowns bounce ideas or ask those other 2 their opinion? No doubt 100%. Now that is an issue as the game as passed both by. I do not think they interfere in any way unless they are asked or Chuck seeks them out.

Well having Barber in a that role isn't all that inspiring in any way.
- hello it's me 2050

Bill who is around the organization just said the opposite in bold. Neither guy might not meddle but both stay plugged in.

That's good to know. I'm really tired of people trying to blame the issues with the team's roster on anyone but the current GM. He's been in charge for almost four years now which is a very long time in the NHL. Even if he was getting bad advice from former Flyers, that's on him for listening to it.
- Feanor

Simple and true.