Thanks for the input Bill. I agree that NoPa was a good choice at the time. It definitely did not work out though.
- mickel25

In the end it was just the wrong pick. Sad but true.

Bill who is around the organization just said the opposite in bold. Neither guy might not meddle but both stay plugged in.
- SuperSchennBros

read it again schemp Clarke isn't plugged in with the league. He said Holmgren was.

Either way it was my opinion.

Some just don’t like truth…they would rather go down the road of conspiracy theories as it allows them to deflect away from the narrative and nonsense they have been continuously pushing.
- landros 2

please stick to hockey




lol

In the end it was just the wrong pick. Sad but true.
- landros 2

yep

From my understanding, the consensus was "take one of the two D-men". Some wanted Heiskanen, some wanted to roll the dice on Makar (who was a Junior A leaguer at the time) but the Makar people would have also gotten behind taking Heiskanen. Hexy (and probably Sarge) wanted the big RH center with what seemed to be a pretty complete game and above-average offensive upside. And also keep in mind that Patrick (a late birthday player) would have been a top 10 pick even in 2016 were he eligible. He'd entered 2016-17 season as the nearly unanimous-across-hockey No. 1 prospect for the Draft. Then he had bilateral sports hernias (of which only one was operated upon), a basically flatline development 2016-17 season (explainable by the core muscle issues) and didn't interview well at the Combine. Plus other players -- Hischier, Heiskanen and Makar -- took developmental jumps.

No one thought Patrick was a bad pick. There was just a belief that others had caught/passed him as a prospect and that Patrick's ceiling might not turn out to be dramatically higher than his floor (which was still rather high).
- bmeltzer

Unfortunately that decision has set the organization back. At # 2 you need to hit. It’s was a wasted opportunity. As a diehard fan all you can do is hope the “actual” (not made up) guys in charge make the proper and sound decisions.

please stick to hockey




lol
- Scoob

I was sticking to hockey…but I can see how that statement does step outside of the realm of hockey.

Brink in, one call up left, all of the sudden the Flyers have shiny new toys and some depth. CF has a stable to choose from, to play, trade or who knows...


Lets hope he makes more Nisk type trades and less Ghost like trades.

What would you add to move JVR, no salary retained, who or what???

Unfortunately that decision has set the organization back. At # 2 you need to hit. It’s was a wasted opportunity. As a diehard fan all you can do is hope the “actual” (not made up) guys in charge make the proper and sound decisions.
- landros 2

Makes it all more important that they hit on this years first rounder. Considering they won't have a second rounder either, unless they make a trade at the draft.

I would like to see TK, Frost and Lindblom together. They have had some real chemistry when put together.
- iamscore2day

Yeah, I think you could make an argument for trying a lot of different looks right now. Farabee has been scoring more goals than TK lately, and Frost is looking good at set ups in spurts.
I think they put TK at LW sometime recently, and I’d like to see that again. Laughton can score from center and I think it would be fun to see him with Brink.

Brink in, one call up left, all of the sudden the Flyers have shiny new toys and some depth. CF has a stable to choose from, to play, trade or who knows...


Lets hope he makes more Nisk type trades and less Ghost like trades.

What would you add to move JVR, no salary retained, who or what???
- wcorvette

The question should be what will Chuck inevitably add. He will get taken once again. Sad that is what is now expected. One just hopes the damage is minimal.

At half they shouldn't have to add anything. He is still productive and if a team like Arizona acquire shin he can be flipped. They do not have a lot of NHL players under contract. They will once again be a dumping ground.

I look to move Oscar as well. No clue what value he may or may not have around the league.

Not true. Bob spends more time in Florida than in the NE and really isn't all that focused -- or interested -- in what's going on in the NHL on a day-to-day basis although he stays up with the Flyers themselves. He's gotten a little more involved during Chuck Fletcher's tenure because they are close.

Paul is semi-retired, and has been since stepping down as team president. He does stay plugged in with the league. He gives opinions as solicited but is not one to simply meddle.

Bill Barber is there to answer hockey strategy-related and hockey-ops related questions that Dave Scott may have.

I have explained this. Anthony San Filippo has explained this. Yet people persist in insisting otherwise. The most influential of the Flyers' senior advisors is the one with the lowest profile among Philly fans: Dean Lombardi. And Danny Briere's level of sway and influence has grown significantly over the past calendar year and will continue to do so.

But Homer especially and Clarke really have no interest in anymore in "running the team". If they did, Homer would still be team president and both of them would still be around on a day-to-day basis. They know it's a 24/7/365 commitment because they did it for so many years.
- bmeltzer

Bill, I would respectfully and completely disagree. It is absolutely true. Having influence is not the same thing as being involved in day to day operations or running the team. There is no doubt that Clarke had a huge influence in the team hiring Fletcher as the GM and giving him the team president title. There is no doubt that both Clarke and Holmgren have had a huge influence on Dave Scott, who is most definitely involved in the day to day. The entire Flyers philosophy on team building and the approach that is killing them of not being smart with the cap or patiently adopting a build through the draft approach is from the Flyers old guard. That's predominantly Clarke and Holmgren. The aggressive need to always try and win now. The Flyers entire business model of running the team and it's approach to roster building is from the influence of the old guard and the old archaic culture of the Flyers. We know who that is and how it got that way. Having influence is not the same thing as being involved day to day. Until the Flyers remove this influence and archaic culture and catch up with the modern day NHL and get some modern day voices in, the Flyers will not be successful long term.

That's good to know. I'm really tired of people trying to blame the issues with the team's roster on anyone but the current GM. He's been in charge for almost four years now which is a very long time in the NHL. Even if he was getting bad advice from former Flyers, that's on him for listening to it.
- Feanor

I don't disagree with this but if Fletcher would go against the old guard in how to approach building the team, what would happen?