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Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Apr 11 @ 8:41 PM ET
DeMelo isn't the #2 D-man though. Just because he is lined up next to Morrissey on the top pair doesn't mean anything.

Prime example is Erik Karlsson and Marc Methot. Meth was never going the be the 2nd best defenseman on the team, but his game complimented EK's penomenally, and he was just a steady, stay at home guy. I think DeMelo is more than capable of being that backup to Morrissey when he jumps up in the play, or makes a risky pinch, and DeMelo, while he isn't the best DFD in the world, he is solid. I would be in favour of keeping him for that top pair, but if you can get an upgrade, great.

- Jacob Billington

excellent comparison!! I'd trade all of Pionk, Smidt, Dillon and Stan before Demelo
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Apr 11 @ 8:42 PM ET
excellent comparison!! I'd trade all of Pionk, Smidt, Dillon and Stan before Demelo
- Ross77


Craziness, DeMelo is the first one I'd be looking to trade, he's really not very good.
Jacob Billington
Location: Westville, NS
Joined: 10.16.2021

Apr 11 @ 8:43 PM ET
The worth is tough…Letang, Burns and Doughty all aging out and the younger ones expensive. Colorado wouldn’t even listen on a Makar, why would you. Red Wings won’t listen on Mortiz Seider the kid looks amazing.
That said…

Scheifele + Heinola for Provorov and a 2nd ?

Heinola and our 1st for Chycryn ?

I struggle to make a trade work

- jjonah


Provorov trade looks pretty on par for what I would expect, maybe a bit more from Philly, but pretty even.

Heinola and a 1st for Chychrun and Armstrong hangs up the phone. Would be a similar return Eichel got. Good roster player, great prospect, and a 1st and 2nd.

Not sure if Winnipeg would part with 27, 80, 81, but nobody else would be of interest to Arizona for that deal. Scheifele, Heinola and a 1st maybe? Another pick coming back from Arizona would be good, but it is going to be areally high price. Chychrun is very very very good, and on an even better contract.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Apr 11 @ 8:44 PM ET
Morrissey/DeMelo might be the worst top D pair in the league.
- JetFuel


And yet the Jets have out-shot, out-chanced, and out-scored their opponents the entire time that pairing has been together
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Apr 11 @ 8:45 PM ET
The worth is tough…Letang, Burns and Doughty all aging out and the younger ones expensive. Colorado wouldn’t even listen on a Makar, why would you. Red Wings won’t listen on Mortiz Seider the kid looks amazing.
That said…

Scheifele + Heinola for Provorov and a 2nd ?

Heinola and our 1st for Chycryn ?

I struggle to make a trade work

- jjonah


Provorov is bad, but Chychrun has my attention. Not using Heinola for it unless I absolutely have to, though
Jacob Billington
Location: Westville, NS
Joined: 10.16.2021

Apr 11 @ 8:47 PM ET
Provorov is bad, but Chychrun has my attention. Not using Heinola for it unless I absolutely have to, though
- Rexypoo


While it is easy to get attached to great prospects like Heinola, his ceiling isn't even close to Chychrun in my opinion. I think a lot of people undervalue Chychrun because he is on such a poor team. Armstrong knows what he has, and that is why he didn't just take a lesser deal at the deadline and kept him.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Apr 11 @ 8:47 PM ET
Chabot, Seth Jones, Burns, Werensky, Doughty, Makar, Letang, Toews, Nurse, Hedman, Josi, Hughes, Ekblad, Heisakken, Pieterangelo, Provorov, Mcavoy,Fowler, Fox and Reilly

That’s the top 21 minute eaters on D.

Scheifele doesn’t land you one

Jets are missing this piece

I’d like to see them try to land Provorov or Chycryn but won’t be easy and may not like the price

- jjonah


Morrisey is better than a lot of the guys you mentioned.
Seth jones - massively over rated!! and could be attained via trade but is now severely over paid
Burns - is done
Nurse - again, over rated and if not already will be top 5 worst contract in NHL in a 1-2 years
Provorov - has been awful, like Nathan Beaulieu bad, maybe needs a change of scenery but he is also left shot and that's not what we need at all
Chychrun - not sold on him, he seemed to be getting overly hyped this year. and again left shot.

if the rumor's around the Rangers and Shief are true try and get Schnieder plus.

jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Apr 11 @ 8:48 PM ET
Agree on the Chycryn assessment of my “offer” . He’d be tough to land. Big , tough and skilled.

Jets should at least kick the tires.
Jacob Billington
Location: Westville, NS
Joined: 10.16.2021

Apr 11 @ 8:48 PM ET
And yet the Jets have out-shot, out-chanced, and out-scored their opponents the entire time that pairing has been together
- Rexypoo


I am not suggesting that Cheveldayoff should make this trade. Simply stating this is the value Arizona is looking for, just an FYI

***quoted the wrong comment on this. Meant to be on my previous comment
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Apr 11 @ 8:49 PM ET
And yet the Jets have out-shot, out-chanced, and out-scored their opponents the entire time that pairing has been together
- Rexypoo



yup!! very underrated pair!! dont trade either.

what's also funny is they allow the fewest shots in front of our net, and yet combined may be the smallest pair we have. how come all our tough big tall guys allow so many shots? i thought we needed Stanley top clear the front of the net?
jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Apr 11 @ 8:50 PM ET
If Morrissey is better than a lot of them…which one are you landing straight up for him?
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Apr 11 @ 8:52 PM ET
While it is easy to get attached to great prospects like Heinola, his ceiling isn't even close to Chychrun in my opinion. I think a lot of people undervalue Chychrun because he is on such a poor team. Armstrong knows what he has, and that is why he didn't just take a lesser deal at the deadline and kept him.
- Jacob Billington

and sometimes playing on a bad team, makes you look better than you are. I'm not sold on him yet, also gets hurt a lot like Bogo used to!!
Jacob Billington
Location: Westville, NS
Joined: 10.16.2021

Apr 11 @ 8:53 PM ET
Morrisey is better than a lot of the guys you mentioned.
Seth jones - massively over rated!! and could be attained via trade but is now severely over paid
Burns - is done
Nurse - again, over rated and if not already will be top 5 worst contract in NHL in a 1-2 years
Provorov - has been awful, like Nathan Beaulieu bad, maybe needs a change of scenery but he is also left shot and that's not what we need at all
Chychrun - not sold on him, he seemed to be getting overly hyped this year. and again left shot.

if the rumor's around the Rangers and Shief are true try and get Schnieder plus.

- Ross77


I agree on most of these assessments, but the left-shot part throws me off. The Jets would be more than happy to have Morrissey as 2LD, though the pipeline is pretty stuffed on LD, you have to also make your NHL roster the best it can be. A 1-2 punch of Chychrun-Morrissey on the left would be killer. You can find guys around the league to match up with them perfectly, like Weegar, Zub, etc.
jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Apr 11 @ 8:53 PM ET
Burns playing 26 mins a game , going to finish over 50 points for the year.

Jets would kill for a “done” Dman like that
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Apr 11 @ 8:54 PM ET
The worth is tough…Letang, Burns and Doughty all aging out and the younger ones expensive. Colorado wouldn’t even listen on a Makar, why would you. Red Wings won’t listen on Mortiz Seider the kid looks amazing.
That said…

Scheifele + Heinola for Provorov and a 2nd ?

Heinola and our 1st for Chycryn ?

I struggle to make a trade work

- jjonah

shief plus heinola for Prov and a 2nd.....wow!! im sorry, but that is awful.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Apr 11 @ 8:54 PM ET
Morrissey is NOT a #1 Dman he’s OUR #1 Dman and that’s a problem.

Not being critical as you need to draft a Chabot, Makar type and keep them or overpay in trade.

Scheifele on his own doesn’t land you a stud Hedman-like Dman, they’re expensive for a reason.


For that reason Jets need to have as many 2,3 and 4 type Dman they can get!

- jjonah


I have to fundamentally disagree with this.
Josh Morrissey has absolutely performed like a #1 defenceman this season.

He is outperforming all but his most elite peers, he is elevating all of his teammates, and since he’s been with DeMelo, they’ve been one of the best pairings in the league.

Morrissey was always a bit of a passenger with Trouba and Buff, and fell off a cliff when the #1 tag was placed on him… but this season is different. He’s driving play. He hasn’t really had any weaknesses, and his deployment and usage hasn’t been able to drag him down.
If this continues, I’d argue he’s easily top 30, let alone top 60 at his position.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Apr 11 @ 8:57 PM ET
If Morrissey is better than a lot of them…which one are you landing straight up for him?
- jjonah


Oliver Kylington was waived and cleared last season.
Seth Jones was traded, with extras, for a defenceman already better than Seth Jones.
Ben Chairot was worth more than Taylor Hall and Claude Giroux.

The NHL is a hilariously inefficient place
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Apr 11 @ 8:58 PM ET
While it is easy to get attached to great prospects like Heinola, his ceiling isn't even close to Chychrun in my opinion. I think a lot of people undervalue Chychrun because he is on such a poor team. Armstrong knows what he has, and that is why he didn't just take a lesser deal at the deadline and kept him.
- Jacob Billington


I agree. My issue is that the Jets are not 1 Chychrun away from contention, and we don’t know that Heinola doesn’t get there.
Chychrun is a weird player. He relies a lot on shooting, and that’s a problem if it’s starts to go cold.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Apr 11 @ 9:00 PM ET
I agree on most of these assessments, but the left-shot part throws me off. The Jets would be more than happy to have Morrissey as 2LD, though the pipeline is pretty stuffed on LD, you have to also make your NHL roster the best it can be. A 1-2 punch of Chychrun-Morrissey on the left would be killer. You can find guys around the league to match up with them perfectly, like Weegar, Zub, etc.
- Jacob Billington


The goal there, for me at least, would be to run Morrissey-DeMelo with the hardest completion because you know they can handle it, and use Chychrun on pair 2 with an absurd amount of special teams time
jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Apr 11 @ 9:01 PM ET
Bottom line Jets should try to land a difference maker on D.

Jets D next year in order for me:
Morrissey
Pionk
heinola
Samberg
DeMelo
Dillon
Schmidt
Stanley
Kovacevic

And of course NONE of this matters if Charlie Huddy is coaching them
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Apr 11 @ 9:01 PM ET
If Morrissey is better than a lot of them…which one are you landing straight up for him?
- jjonah

a lot of them.
Provarov has been awful, like really bad, phiully would make that trade all day. I'd egg Chevy's house.
chicago is already trying to deal Jones, what does that tell you? they's absolutely make that trade because they already realize they have over paid him...badly
Burns - common, not even close, dude is almost 40
Fowler - again, common
Letang is a pending UFA and pushing 40
Morrisey is better than Nurse and on a better contract

of course Morrisey is not close Makar, Fox and cant remember all the others you mentioned.

have to look around the league at teams who may switch to rebuild and look at their D for someone maybe we can grab.
I'd love Pulock out of NYI but i doubt he'd be available? could he part of a Shief deal?
Minnesota has a ton of D and is cap hell, can we make a deal inside the division?
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Apr 11 @ 9:03 PM ET
Burns playing 26 mins a game , going to finish over 50 points for the year.

Jets would kill for a “done” Dman like that

- jjonah

Wheeler has nice stats to, by all means find a team to trade for him to then. I'll wait
jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Apr 11 @ 9:06 PM ET
Well done vs playing 3rd most minutes in the entire league while super productive are not exactly the same thing.

Contract and age makes all of this almost impossible for Wpg but Burns is not done was the point
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Apr 11 @ 9:07 PM ET
Bottom line Jets should try to land a difference maker on D.

Jets D next year in order for me:
Morrissey
Pionk
heinola
Samberg
DeMelo
Dillon
Schmidt
Stanley
Kovacevic

And of course NONE of this matters if Charlie Huddy is coaching them

- jjonah


I might mess around with your order a bit, but I agree with your current top 6 heading into next year.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Apr 11 @ 9:08 PM ET
The worth is tough…Letang, Burns and Doughty all aging out and the younger ones expensive. Colorado wouldn’t even listen on a Makar, why would you. Red Wings won’t listen on Mortiz Seider the kid looks amazing.
That said…

Scheifele + Heinola for Provorov and a 2nd ?

Heinola and our 1st for Chycryn ?

I struggle to make a trade work

- jjonah


I do this trade in a heartbeat!
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