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TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Apr 11 @ 9:12 PM ET
Provorov trade looks pretty on par for what I would expect, maybe a bit more from Philly, but pretty even.

Heinola and a 1st for Chychrun and Armstrong hangs up the phone. Would be a similar return Eichel got. Good roster player, great prospect, and a 1st and 2nd.

Not sure if Winnipeg would part with 27, 80, 81, but nobody else would be of interest to Arizona for that deal. Scheifele, Heinola and a 1st maybe? Another pick coming back from Arizona would be good, but it is going to be areally high price. Chychrun is very very very good, and on an even better contract.

- Jacob Billington


It was reported last year, prior to Laine getting traded to Columbus that the Jets had offered him to Philly for Provorov and the Flyers said no.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Apr 11 @ 9:13 PM ET
Agree on the Chycryn assessment of my “offer” . He’d be tough to land. Big , tough and skilled.

Jets should at least kick the tires.

- jjonah


Jets traded Trouba for Pionk and 1st. Your offer is superior than we got for Trouba. I think what you offered is fair!
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Apr 11 @ 9:25 PM ET
D i'd look into cost and availability

Schnieder
Dobson
Pulock
Sergachev
Addison
the Kings have a plethora of current and right shot prospect D, might be a deal there.

I'd also look for young promising D who are no longer waiver exempt and teams may not have room for them but dont want to put on waivers.

I havent paid attention this year but how has Shea Theodore been? Vegas will again be desperate to shed salary this summer.
maybe its a s simple as swapping Stanley for a similar aged Right shot Guy?
jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Apr 11 @ 9:31 PM ET
Schneider looks very impressive for a young Dman.

It’s a good list
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Apr 11 @ 9:33 PM ET
D i'd look into cost and availability

Schnieder
Dobson
Pulock
Sergachev
Addison
the Kings have a plethora of current and right shot prospect D, might be a deal there.

I'd also look for young promising D who are no longer waiver exempt and teams may not have room for them but dont want to put on waivers.

I havent paid attention this year but how has Shea Theodore been? Vegas will again be desperate to shed salary this summer.
maybe its a s simple as swapping Stanley for a similar aged Right shot Guy?

- Ross77






Jets already have a similar right shot guy to Stanley! They have Johnny Kovacevic.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Apr 11 @ 9:33 PM ET
Schneider looks very impressive for a young Dman.

It’s a good list

- jjonah

I just added Shea Theodore, I havent paid attention, how has he been? does he play right side? Vegas, again this summer will be desperate to shed salary. I'd also take chandler stephenson.

Dillon is very respected, i can see teams needing cap space interested in flipping us a right shot D maybe making more than Dillon, for Dillon. save them some cap space while still getting a useful D and gets us hopefully a slightly better D who also shoots right
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Apr 11 @ 9:59 PM ET
Bottom line Jets should try to land a difference maker on D.

Jets D next year in order for me:
Morrissey
Pionk
heinola
Samberg
DeMelo
Dillon
Schmidt
Stanley
Kovacevic

And of course NONE of this matters if Charlie Huddy is coaching them

- jjonah


If no D upgrades could be made and they ran back next season with the same defense my top 6 would be in no particular order:

Morrissey, Pionk, Dillon, Samberg, Schmidt, Kovacevic
#7 Stanley

Heinola and DeMelo traded for help up front.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Apr 11 @ 10:01 PM ET
I just added Shea Theodore, I havent paid attention, how has he been? does he play right side? Vegas, again this summer will be desperate to shed salary. I'd also take chandler stephenson.

Dillon is very respected, i can see teams needing cap space interested in flipping us a right shot D maybe making more than Dillon, for Dillon. save them some cap space while still getting a useful D and gets us hopefully a slightly better D who also shoots right

- Ross77


Ugh that Stephenson trade still irks me, how does Chevy miss out on that one, a measly 5th round pick was all Stephenson went for.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Apr 11 @ 10:35 PM ET
I just added Shea Theodore, I havent paid attention, how has he been? does he play right side? Vegas, again this summer will be desperate to shed salary. I'd also take chandler stephenson.

Dillon is very respected, i can see teams needing cap space interested in flipping us a right shot D maybe making more than Dillon, for Dillon. save them some cap space while still getting a useful D and gets us hopefully a slightly better D who also shoots right

- Ross77


Theodore is a top 10 defenceman who plays both sides on a value deal.

Untouchable
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Apr 11 @ 10:40 PM ET
If no D upgrades could be made and they ran back next season with the same defense my top 6 would be in no particular order:

Morrissey, Pionk, Dillon, Samberg, Schmidt, Kovacevic
#7 Stanley

Heinola and DeMelo traded for help up front.

- JetFuel


You are trading an area of strength into an area of weakness. Dillon seems to have hit the age cliff, Schmidt might any time now, and Pionk isn’t safe anymore.
That’s a lot to ask of 2 rookies and Morrissey. You’ve also just given up your best defensive player with no replacement in sight.

Best option is to trade Dillon in the summer, and Stanley at the draft.

Run the following:

Morrissey-DeMelo = Hard minutes
Heinola-Schmidt = Fun. They work well together.
Samberg-Pionk = Perfect match
Kovacevic = earned the NHL money

Chisholm as first call up.

I’d personally prefer to keep Stanley, I want him to keep developing as a Jet more than I dislike his endless leash, but the temptation to overplay him will never let off with this organization.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Apr 11 @ 10:59 PM ET
I have to fundamentally disagree with this.
Josh Morrissey has absolutely performed like a #1 defenceman this season.

He is outperforming all but his most elite peers, he is elevating all of his teammates, and since he’s been with DeMelo, they’ve been one of the best pairings in the league.

Morrissey was always a bit of a passenger with Trouba and Buff, and fell off a cliff when the #1 tag was placed on him… but this season is different. He’s driving play. He hasn’t really had any weaknesses, and his deployment and usage hasn’t been able to drag him down.
If this continues, I’d argue he’s easily top 30, let alone top 60 at his position.

- Rexypoo


I don't agree with Rexy often but I do agree with just about everything said here. My only difference is I think Morrissey is playing right now like a top 15 Dman in the NHL. If I had one wish for Morrissey to improve on it would be the accuracy of his shot. Almost always slightly high or wide or he'd have another 10 goals this year.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Apr 11 @ 10:59 PM ET
You are trading an area of strength into an area of weakness. Dillon seems to have hit the age cliff, Schmidt might any time now, and Pionk isn’t safe anymore.
That’s a lot to ask of 2 rookies and Morrissey. You’ve also just given up your best defensive player with no replacement in sight.

Best option is to trade Dillon in the summer, and Stanley at the draft.

Run the following:

Morrissey-DeMelo = Hard minutes
Heinola-Schmidt = Fun. They work well together.
Samberg-Pionk = Perfect match
Kovacevic = earned the NHL money

Chisholm as first call up.

I’d personally prefer to keep Stanley, I want him to keep developing as a Jet more than I dislike his endless leash, but the temptation to overplay him will never let off with this organization.

- Rexypoo


I don't think so, those six would give them the best results imo.

Heinola is weak and an adventure in his own zone who takes a lot of penalties, trade him while he has still has value.

DeMelo can go, he gets caught flat footed all the time.

If some cap space could be freed up one dman I'd pursue in free agency would be Lybushkin.

I'd really like to see Gawanke get in some games, pretty sure you're high on him as well.

I'm really not that concerned with the defense to be honest, really feel they need to upgrade their bottom six more than anything else.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Apr 11 @ 11:07 PM ET
I don't agree with Rexy often but I do agree with just about everything said here. My only difference is I think Morrissey is playing right now like a top 15 Dman in the NHL. If I had one wish for Morrissey to improve on it would be the accuracy of his shot. Almost always slightly high or wide or he'd have another 10 goals this year.
- jetsnation


That’s the other thing I’ve been loving about Morrissey this year. He’s decided f**k it, I’ll fire everything. Mans has a slap shot that is not to be trifled with
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Apr 11 @ 11:10 PM ET
I don't think so, those six would give them the best results imo.

Heinola is weak and an adventure in his own zone who takes a lot of penalties, trade him while he has still has value.

DeMelo can go, he gets caught flat footed all the time.

If some cap space could be freed up one dman I'd pursue in free agency would be Lybushkin.

I'd really like to see Gawanke get in some games, pretty sure you're high on him as well.

I'm really not that concerned with the defense to be honest, really feel they need to upgrade their bottom six more than anything else.

- JetFuel


You confuse me. You make trade suggestions to cause further problems, but then follow up with the exact solutions I would want in the event of those trades. I love Heinola and DeMelo, but I also really rather like Lybushkin and Gawanke
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Apr 11 @ 11:25 PM ET
You confuse me. You make trade suggestions to cause further problems, but then follow up with the exact solutions I would want in the event of those trades. I love Heinola and DeMelo, but I also really rather like Lybushkin and Gawanke
- Rexypoo


I just don't think trading DeMelo and Heinola would cause problems.

I'm quite high on Gawanke and Chisholm, really hope this dumb organization doesn't lose Gawanke and Kovacevic to waivers, that is if they're smart enough to sign them. I'm also interested to see how some of their other D prospects like Lundmark and Kuzmin progress in the next couple years.

Lybushkin would be a great add, honestly considering Arizona pretty much gave him away I think I would've traded for him earlier in the year and got a head start on signing him, obviously would've had to moved some other dman somewhere to make that work though.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Apr 11 @ 11:38 PM ET
You are trading an area of strength into an area of weakness. Dillon seems to have hit the age cliff, Schmidt might any time now, and Pionk isn’t safe anymore.
That’s a lot to ask of 2 rookies and Morrissey. You’ve also just given up your best defensive player with no replacement in sight.

Best option is to trade Dillon in the summer, and Stanley at the draft.

Run the following:

Morrissey-DeMelo = Hard minutes
Heinola-Schmidt = Fun. They work well together.
Samberg-Pionk = Perfect match
Kovacevic = earned the NHL money

Chisholm as first call up.

I’d personally prefer to keep Stanley, I want him to keep developing as a Jet more than I dislike his endless leash, but the temptation to overplay him will never let off with this organization.

- Rexypoo



Remember the Islanders traded away Chara before he became “Big Z” in Ottawa.

Zdeno Chara in his first 84 games (first 2 seasons) he had 2 goals and 6 assists and was a -7.

Logan Stanley in his first 92 games (first 2 seasons) already has 2 goals and 15 assists and is a +15.

You also have to remember that Chara went a combined -54 over his next 2 seasons on the Island before being traded to Ottawa, where he began finding his game.

Logan Stanley will become something special and he will be the exact type of defenseman that we will be searching for in the future.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Apr 11 @ 11:42 PM ET
Remember the Islanders traded away Chara before he became “Big Z” in Ottawa.

Zdeno Chara in his first 84 games (first 2 seasons) he had 2 goals and 6 assists and was a -7.

Logan Stanley in his first 92 games (first 2 seasons) already has 2 goals and 15 assists and is a +15.

You also have to remember that Chara went a combined -54 over his next 2 seasons on the Island before being traded to Ottawa, where he began finding his game.

Logan Stanley will become something special and he will be the exact type of defenseman that we will be searching for in the future.

- TheUltimateJet


Chara was playing 20+ minutes a night by this stage in his career. He also broke out in an entirely different era
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Apr 11 @ 11:45 PM ET
I just don't think trading DeMelo and Heinola would cause problems.

I'm quite high on Gawanke and Chisholm, really hope this dumb organizational doesn't lose Gawanke and Kovacevic to waivers, that is if they're smart enough to sign them. I'm also interested to see how some of their other D prospects like Lundmark and Kuzmin progress in the next couple years.

Lybushkin would be a great add, honestly considering Arizona pretty much gave him away I think I would've traded for him earlier in the year and got a head start on signing him, obviously would've had to moved some other dman somewhere to make that work though.

- JetFuel


DeMelo is one of the best pure shutdown guys in the league. Top 10% of defensive players. Huge issue if he goes.

Heinola I just want in the NHL, and I am willing to accept Winnipeg won’t allow it IF the return is right.

The bits that don’t involve those two? I agree completely
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Apr 11 @ 11:47 PM ET
Chara was playing 20+ minutes a night by this stage in his career. He also broke out in an entirely different era
- Rexypoo


I am not sure about his minutes Rexypoo. Chara did play in the dead puck era where clutching and grabbing would have benefitted him more. He also had a red line that he could have used to slow down opposing forwards.
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Apr 12 @ 9:44 AM ET
‘"We talked about getting to the interior against Winnipeg, they have some smaller defensemen, a couple of really big ones, but some smaller ones,” Cassidy said, as seen on NESN’s postgame coverage. “And statistically, they don’t defend the slot that well for whatever reason.”

I have said a number of times on this forum, that our defence is too small - as a group. Hence, we cannot add Heinola to Morrissey/Pionk/DeMelo.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Apr 12 @ 9:55 AM ET
‘"We talked about getting to the interior against Winnipeg, they have some smaller defensemen, a couple of really big ones, but some smaller ones,” Cassidy said, as seen on NESN’s postgame coverage. “And statistically, they don’t defend the slot that well for whatever reason.”

I have said a number of times on this forum, that our defence is too small - as a group. Hence, we cannot add Heinola to Morrissey/Pionk/DeMelo.

- bennythehat

its not about size, its about talent. the stats prove Morrisey and Demelo, two of our smallest D defend the front of the net best, so better than Dillon and Stanley, our two biggest D. Why would you keep two guys who are bad at this just because you assume their size "should" make them better at it?
Heinola's transition game has already shown to be fantastic. the goal should be to not spend time in our own zone, so promote play guys who are best at getting the puck out. not guys who you assume can clear the front of the net allowing our goalie to see more shots which will be a certainty with them on the ice.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Apr 12 @ 11:56 AM ET
its not about size, its about talent. the stats prove Morrisey and Demelo, two of our smallest D defend the front of the net best, so better than Dillon and Stanley, our two biggest D. Why would you keep two guys who are bad at this just because you assume their size "should" make them better at it?
Heinola's transition game has already shown to be fantastic. the goal should be to not spend time in our own zone, so promote play guys who are best at getting the puck out. not guys who you assume can clear the front of the net allowing our goalie to see more shots which will be a certainty with them on the ice.

- Ross77


I think it is a systems issue. Look at Chara In NYI compared to OTT. I think the main problem for this team is that our defense are so disorganized that it makes the forwards look disorganized. I am always confused as a viewer of the game of how this team just feels comfortable running around in its own zone.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Apr 12 @ 3:21 PM ET
‘"We talked about getting to the interior against Winnipeg, they have some smaller defensemen, a couple of really big ones, but some smaller ones,” Cassidy said, as seen on NESN’s postgame coverage. “And statistically, they don’t defend the slot that well for whatever reason.”

I have said a number of times on this forum, that our defence is too small - as a group. Hence, we cannot add Heinola to Morrissey/Pionk/DeMelo.

- bennythehat


You really took a quote from one of the most advanced stats savvy coaches, and managed to miss the factor of Stanley and Dillon struggling the most at defending net front this year
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Apr 12 @ 3:59 PM ET
You really took a quote from one of the most advanced stats savvy coaches, and managed to miss the factor of Stanley and Dillon struggling the most at defending net front this year
- Rexypoo



Let's be real.....if you are an opposing forward, do you really fear Pionk/DeMelo?Heinola ?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Apr 12 @ 5:04 PM ET
Let's be real.....if you are an opposing forward, do you really fear Pionk/DeMelo?Heinola ?
- bennythehat


I agree with this! I am all for skill on the defensive side, however I do vividly remember how Getzlaf manhandled Enstrom during that playoff series with the Ducks.
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