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- DeflatedPucks

Yea no way haha. That man doesn't know how to handle talent the older he has gotten. His construction of team USA that one year is all you need to know about him nowadays. My favorite times were when Kessel scored against him, the frustration in his face lmfao.

Do you know if players can appeal the amount of games they get suspended or is the appeal for the whole suspension? If I were Geno and you can appeal how many games I'd try to knock a game off.
- 668710

Not sure tbh.

Penguins' lines/pairings at the skate in NY. Looks like Friedman is back in for Pettersson.

Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
Zucker-Carter-Rakell
McGinn-Blueger-Rodrigues
Heinn-Boyle-Kapanen

Matheson-Letang
Dumoulin-Marino
Friedman-Ruhwedel
(Pettersson-Malkin)

Not sure tbh.
- j.boyd919

Gotcha, only reason im saying that is is Geno can't practice with the team while suspended, correct?

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So Geno is still allowed to practice with the team I guess

While I get where you are coming from, I have to kind of disagree here. The problem is we have already been in purgatory for 3 years and while I'm still keeping my hopes high they get it together, we still have a mediocre roster. Does anyone want to spend another 3-5 years of this same thing? Remember, that will be 3 plus years before an actual rebuild starts (where we will then suck for another 3-5 years. You interested in another decade of frustration? I'm not.

Go all in or tear it down. Geno and Letang are great, but they are owed nothing. In no way shape or form has Letang been underpaid. Only a few seasons back many in the media thought his contract was untradeable because of his injury history. How many of the D contracts larger than Letangs ended up not being a disaster? Subban, Karlsson, Burns, even Doughty... All got contracts they could never provide value on.

While everyone is worried about the big 3 legacy when they leave, if the status quo continues and the team is dragged through a lengthy period of mediocracy, they might end up tarnishing that legacy in the eyes of fans.

My preference is to go all in but that requires Letang and Geno leaving money on the table and Hextall trading draft picks. Not sure either happens.
- MacPatty

There is no option to go all in without Geno and Letang. If we lose just one of them we're not doing anything. We can't replace either. If you want any hope of reopening the window to even the slightest degree before rebuilding you want those two back regardless of the price point because otherwise we're not a playoff team. We need to just bring them back and then figure out the rest after they're locked in.

And yeah, when presented with the other option of tearing it all down, I'm totally cool with just postponing and waiting for a bit and letting these guys retire. We won three Cups and rebuilds are such a crap shoot that starting it three or so years earlier doesn't guarantee that we will contend three or so years earlier. We could hit on a Kaprizov or a Kucherov within the first two years and be instantly back, or we could win the lottery and draft a Lafreniere or God forbid a Yakupov and still have years and years to go. Give me the sure thing of never seeing these three in a different sweater over shoving them out the door on the off chance we might have a speedy rebuild.

Additionally, if you don't think Letang has been one of the best value contracts over the past handful of years I dunno what to tell you. Despite the health concerns he has produced a ton, has been a top 10 defenseman in the league and is being paid mid tier 1D money. He's only the 19th highest paid D man. Teams not wanting to trade for him because they're worried he'll have a stroke and die is not the same as them thinking his cap hit is too big for what he brings.

This will help the Penguins because something something Malkin sucks.

-Grinder
- jmatchett383

Who has more rings: Geno or Lindros?

Yeah take your point per game play somewhere else.
- j.boyd919

LOL. I don't understand why that reality is overlooked.

I think the 4 day break will help everyone out. Interested to see how they look coming off of that. It's basically gonna tell us how the first round is gonna go haha.
- 668710

They need that break that’s for sure. I think some of the older players can use an extra game off or two as well in prep for the playoffs. I’m looking at you dumo and carter.

Edit - CDS starts. That’s good as well.

So I have a dilemma. I have stage 4 colon cancer and because of that my Dr pulled some strings and a miracle. I just got off the phone with Mario Lemieux (no poop) and he offered me a chance to sit in the owner’s box and after the game to go down and meet the players. So I live in Utah and this is definitely a dream come true. However with only like 4 games left in the season I’m not sure if I am there health wise to make it to one of those four. Two fall on chemo week and it’s hard to get out of bed on those days. So do you think the offer stands next season or do I risk some crazy poop for one of the next 4 games?

So I have a dilemma. I have stage 4 colon cancer and because of that my Dr pulled some strings and a miracle. I just got off the phone with Mario Lemieux (no poop) and he offered me a chance to sit in the owner’s box and after the game to go down and meet the players. So I live in Utah and this is definitely a dream come true. However with only like 4 games left in the season I’m not sure if I am there health wise to make it to one of those four. Two fall on chemo week and it’s hard to get out of bed on those days. So do you think the offer stands next season or do I risk some crazy poop for one of the next 4 games?
- Chuck-Norris

Risk it for the biscuit. Also my condolences man. That is a tough situation.

There is no option to go all in without Geno and Letang. If we lose just one of them we're not doing anything. We can't replace either. If you want any hope of reopening the window to even the slightest degree before rebuilding you want those two back regardless of the price point because otherwise we're not a playoff team. We need to just bring them back and then figure out the rest after they're locked in.

And yeah, when presented with the other option of tearing it all down, I'm totally cool with just postponing and waiting for a bit and letting these guys retire. We won three Cups and rebuilds are such a crap shoot that starting it three or so years earlier doesn't guarantee that we will contend three or so years earlier. We could hit on a Kaprizov or a Kucherov within the first two years and be instantly back, or we could win the lottery and draft a Lafreniere or God forbid a Yakupov and still have years and years to go. Give me the sure thing of never seeing these three in a different sweater over shoving them out the door on the off chance we might have a speedy rebuild.

Additionally, if you don't think Letang has been one of the best value contracts over the past handful of years I dunno what to tell you. Despite the health concerns he has produced a ton, has been a top 10 defenseman in the league and is being paid mid tier 1D money. He's only the 19th highest paid D man. Teams not wanting to trade for him because they're worried he'll have a stroke and die is not the same as them thinking his cap hit is too big for what he brings.
- Victoro311

I Don't agree about paying malkin and letang any price to stay! Start the rebuild and use the monies to get younger, faster, and more physical... right now Sullivan still thinks he has the fastest team, he makes in game changes except to move personnel, strategy be damn! Also, Sullivan is stubborn as well when goes to playing our wbs guys unless he personally coached him. If we lose again in the 1st round, burn it down which includes a coaching change!!!
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There is no option to go all in without Geno and Letang. If we lose just one of them we're not doing anything. We can't replace either. If you want any hope of reopening the window to even the slightest degree before rebuilding you want those two back regardless of the price point because otherwise we're not a playoff team. We need to just bring them back and then figure out the rest after they're locked in.

And yeah, when presented with the other option of tearing it all down, I'm totally cool with just postponing and waiting for a bit and letting these guys retire. We won three Cups and rebuilds are such a crap shoot that starting it three or so years earlier doesn't guarantee that we will contend three or so years earlier. We could hit on a Kaprizov or a Kucherov within the first two years and be instantly back, or we could win the lottery and draft a Lafreniere or God forbid a Yakupov and still have years and years to go. Give me the sure thing of never seeing these three in a different sweater over shoving them out the door on the off chance we might have a speedy rebuild.

Additionally, if you don't think Letang has been one of the best value contracts over the past handful of years I dunno what to tell you. Despite the health concerns he has produced a ton, has been a top 10 defenseman in the league and is being paid mid tier 1D money. He's only the 19th highest paid D man. Teams not wanting to trade for him because they're worried he'll have a stroke and die is not the same as them thinking his cap hit is too big for what he brings.
- Victoro311

I Don't agree about paying malkin and letang any price to stay! Start the rebuild and use the monies to get younger, faster, and more physical... right now Sullivan still thinks he has the fastest team, he makes in game changes except to move personnel, strategy be damn! Also, Sullivan is stubborn as well when goes to playing our wbs guys unless he personally coached him. If we lose again in the 1st round, burn it down which includes a coaching change!!!
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- PENS1989

Ok so should we also get rid of Crosby? Because if we lose Malkin and Letang we're not a playoff team and all keeping Crosby around is doing is giving us a worse draft pick than we otherwise would have and stalling the rebuild.

Risk it for the biscuit. Also my condolences man. That is a tough situation.
- j.boyd919

It’s tough for sure but chemo is kicking it’s ass pretty good. Also I am one of those crazy people who see it as a weird blessing.

So I have a dilemma. I have stage 4 colon cancer and because of that my Dr pulled some strings and a miracle. I just got off the phone with Mario Lemieux (no poop) and he offered me a chance to sit in the owner’s box and after the game to go down and meet the players. So I live in Utah and this is definitely a dream come true. However with only like 4 games left in the season I’m not sure if I am there health wise to make it to one of those four. Two fall on chemo week and it’s hard to get out of bed on those days. So do you think the offer stands next season or do I risk some crazy poop for one of the next 4 games?
- Chuck-Norris

Man sorry to hear that dude. I guess only you really know the answer to that and can read what your body is telling you, but from what I've heard about Mario and how great of a guy he is I would imagine the offer would stand. He's a cancer survivor himself and knows the process, so I'm sure he'd have a lot of empathy.

There is no option to go all in without Geno and Letang. If we lose just one of them we're not doing anything. We can't replace either. If you want any hope of reopening the window to even the slightest degree before rebuilding you want those two back regardless of the price point because otherwise we're not a playoff team. We need to just bring them back and then figure out the rest after they're locked in.

And yeah, when presented with the other option of tearing it all down, I'm totally cool with just postponing and waiting for a bit and letting these guys retire. We won three Cups and rebuilds are such a crap shoot that starting it three or so years earlier doesn't guarantee that we will contend three or so years earlier. We could hit on a Kaprizov or a Kucherov within the first two years and be instantly back, or we could win the lottery and draft a Lafreniere or God forbid a Yakupov and still have years and years to go. Give me the sure thing of never seeing these three in a different sweater over shoving them out the door on the off chance we might have a speedy rebuild.

Additionally, if you don't think Letang has been one of the best value contracts over the past handful of years I dunno what to tell you. Despite the health concerns he has produced a ton, has been a top 10 defenseman in the league and is being paid mid tier 1D money. He's only the 19th highest paid D man. Teams not wanting to trade for him because they're worried he'll have a stroke and die is not the same as them thinking his cap hit is too big for what he brings.
- Victoro311

I think Letangs contracts have been fair value to both parties. At times he outperforms it but at the same time in his 13 full seasons this will hopefully be his 3rd where he has played over 75 games, not to mention he was not a participant in one of those cups. When he signed his current deal he was one of the top 10 or so paid D. My only point here is that he has been paid fairly through his career.

Ok so should we also get rid of Crosby? Because if we lose Malkin and Letang we're not a playoff team and all keeping Crosby around is doing is giving us a worse draft pick than we otherwise would have and stalling the rebuild.
- Victoro311

I keep Crosby, but the other two really have no ties to the burgh. Malkins wife and child live in fl, letang loves Montreal, they are really not going to give a hometown discount...i dont follow the jersey, i follow the team! Unless they give team friendly deals, move on. Also, hexy and burke aren't sentimental or where jerseys like the fans do, they will do what is best for team, which is what you want from a gm!

I keep Crosby, but the other two really have no ties to the burgh. Malkins wife and child live in fl, letang loves Montreal, they are really not going to give a hometown discount...i dont follow the jersey, i follow the team! Unless they give team friendly deals, move on. Also, hexy and burke aren't sentimental or where jerseys like the fans do, they will do what is best for team, which is what you want from a gm!
- PENS1989

Wear...my bad, hard to type on cool down at gym!

I think Letangs contracts have been fair value to both parties. At times he outperforms it but at the same time in his 13 full seasons this will hopefully be his 3rd where he has played over 75 games, not to mention he was not a participant in one of those cups. When he signed his current deal he was one of the top 10 or so paid D. My only point here is that he has been paid fairly through his career.
- MacPatty

He literally scored the cup winning goal against sj I’m pretty sure.

I think Letangs contracts have been fair value to both parties. At times he outperforms it but at the same time in his 13 full seasons this will hopefully be his 3rd where he has played over 75 games, not to mention he was not a participant in one of those cups. When he signed his current deal he was one of the top 10 or so paid D. My only point here is that he has been paid fairly through his career.
- MacPatty

I get what you're saying, I just don't really agree. When Sid/Ovi/Malkin all signed their big contracts they were some of the biggest the cap era had ever seen, but I think its hard to argue that all of them haven't been underpaid for the majority of their contracts as the cap and max have risen substantially over the years. There's been years where if Letang hit the open market he probably wouldn't have gotten a huge contract due to major issues like strokes and stuff which are legitimately scary, but for most years of his contract, if he were to have hit UFA on any of those years I think he would have easily gotten $9 mil on the open market. That's what I mean by underpaid. For most of this contract I think it's pretty easy to argue he's at a home town discount of about $2 mil.

I keep Crosby, but the other two really have no ties to the burgh. Malkins wife and child live in fl, letang loves Montreal, they are really not going to give a hometown discount...i dont follow the jersey, i follow the team! Unless they give team friendly deals, move on. Also, hexy and burke aren't sentimental or where jerseys like the fans do, they will do what is best for team, which is what you want from a gm!
- PENS1989

There's no world where we're a better team without Malkin and Letang, so if we let them walk and the decision is being made that what's best for the team is a rebuild then taking sentiment out of it like you're saying we should, Crosby should go too. He'd only hamper the rebuild and would bring back some serious capital in a trade.

If you want to be a completely emotionless robot in approaching team management, there is absolutely no argument in favor of keeping Sid if the other two are gone.

Who has more rings: Geno or Lindros?
- iamscore2day

The (frank) dude? The Flyers suck. What is the hell does that have to do with Grinder's jihad against Malkin?

There's no world where we're a better team without Malkin and Letang, so if we let them walk and the decision is being made that what's best for the team is a rebuild then taking sentiment out of it like you're saying we should, Crosby should go too. He'd only hamper the rebuild and would bring back some serious capital in a trade.

If you want to be a completely emotionless robot in approaching team management, there is absolutely no argument in favor of keeping Sid if the other two are gone.
- Victoro311

Agreed, but he's going nowhere. He's staying for life barring something catastrophic.

So I have a dilemma. I have stage 4 colon cancer and because of that my Dr pulled some strings and a miracle. I just got off the phone with Mario Lemieux (no poop) and he offered me a chance to sit in the owner’s box and after the game to go down and meet the players. So I live in Utah and this is definitely a dream come true. However with only like 4 games left in the season I’m not sure if I am there health wise to make it to one of those four. Two fall on chemo week and it’s hard to get out of bed on those days. So do you think the offer stands next season or do I risk some crazy poop for one of the next 4 games?
- Chuck-Norris

You should talk to your doctor, he'll be straight with you. If he has a line to Mario, he may be able to work something out for you.

God Bless.