To me, a lot of the depth from the elite teams comes from having a decent amount of players outperforming their contracts. Or, more recently, pushing the LTIR boundaries to the max. Also, mature youth ready and knocking.

It just seems that value extends further with these teams.
- Load Management

Agreed.

A large part of that comes from entry level contracts. It's so disappointing as a Canuck fan that we don't have more of them or even the prospect for many at this time.

We've sucked for most of 8 years, we should be rife with them.

I guess you have to weigh who’s going to do what. If Horvat, Pettersson and Miller are all going to play C, can you afford that? Probably looking at $6.5-7, Petey already at $7ish and Miller in the $8 range.
- 1970vintage

Like Load and Golfing said, you need the balance of big contracts to ELCs and cheap contracts to even things out.

This team just doesn't have the depth to compete right now. No point in paying for Miller when that's the case – trade him, save yourself from that payment, and get a freaking haul to fill in the gaps elsewhere on the team.

Agreed.

A large part of that comes from entry level contracts. It's so disappointing as a Canuck fan that we don't have more of them or even the prospect for many at this time.

We've sucked for most of 8 years, we should be rife with them.
- golfingsince

It's a ripple effect. The more value you get, the more you are able to acquire. The less you get, the less you are able to acquire. Just my opinion, but the reason we've sucked and the reason we don't have a decent stable boils down to this. The inability to identify and nurture value.

Bo is A problem, not THE problem, he's GOOD ENOUGH but when your goal is to compete for THE CUP... good enough just isn't good enough. McJesus is a bad comparison since McJesus isn't exactly the star anymore (just one of two) on that team, Draisaitl is (and in my opinion the best player in the world).

Here is the thing, when we went to the SCF in '11, we had Henrik, Kesler (who won the Selke that year), Maholtra (who was a 2C and even the 1C in Ottawa for long stretches before he came to the Canucks), and Lapierre. That's pretty good center depth wouldn't you say? Is Prime Bo as good as Prime Kesler? Seeing as they play similar styles (maybe Kesler was a more power forward-ish than Bo is but I digress) I'd say probably not.

The point is, if your goal is to try and build a team that is just good enough, then sure Bo isn't a problem. But if your goal is to try and eventually compete and win a Cup, which should be the goal of every team, then you need someone better than Bo in that 2C spot. Bo isn't the problem in and of himself, but he's a symptom of the problem in that we think that being GOOD ENOUGH is good enough when we should be wanting more than being just good enough.

I will say in closing, that with all I've said, of all the players that need to be changed on the team Bo is the very last that needs to go.
- DariusKnight

Get some rest.

It's a ripple effect. The more value you get, the more you are able to acquire. The less you get, the less you are able to acquire. Just my opinion, but the reason we've sucked and the reason we don't have a decent stable boils down to this. The inability to identify and nurture value.
- Load Management

As well as the inability to identify potential flood risks. Canucks should hire a meteorologist... Gillis probably had one actually, but Benning fired him.

As well as the inability to identify potential flood risks. Canucks should hire a meteorologist... Gillis probably had one actually, but Benning fired him.
- NewYorkNuck

Could've saved the last GM his job.

As well as the inability to identify potential flood risks. Canucks should hire a meteorologist... Gillis probably had one actually, but Benning fired him.
- NewYorkNuck

Let's go with the Queen Elizabeth the I model. She had a John Dee the Alpha alchemist and she was highly successful. Maybe the most successful monarch in British history. They are probably affordable as well...

It's a ripple effect. The more value you get, the more you are able to acquire. The less you get, the less you are able to acquire. Just my opinion, but the reason we've sucked and the reason we don't have a decent stable boils down to this. The inability to identify and nurture value.
- Load Management

Horvat is the most natural centre out of the 3. He's never played with a winger better than Boeser. I'm fine with paying the 3 C's some money and bringing in entry level wingers and D.
- golfingsince

Horvat has been playing with Pettersson…

Horvat has been playing with Pettersson…
- 1970vintage

Oh really? And he has 31 goals? Weird.

All that changes is the need for an entry level C instead.

Thank you Carol

Horvat has been playing with Pettersson…
- 1970vintage

Amongst many others.

8 to 2 blues after 2 lol.

I guess you have to weigh who’s going to do what. If Horvat, Pettersson and Miller are all going to play C, can you afford that? Probably looking at $6.5-7, Petey already at $7ish and Miller in the $8 range.
- 1970vintage

Yes it can be done. I did a CF along those lines just haven’t published it.

Yes it can be done. I did a CF along those lines just haven’t published it.
- Nighthawk

Not what I meant. It was more of a “should” you tie up that much cap in players all playing the same position. Are there any teams with three $7+m C’s?

Yes it can be done. I did a CF along those lines just haven’t published it.
- Nighthawk

Sure it can be done but you still have to economize elsewhere to make it happen.

We have Pod Hog & Lockwood on elc’s that's a fair amount on F. On D we’ve Bones in Abby. Klimovich still marinading & probably McDonough to come. Decent on F none looking elite but lacking big on D unless prospects start to shine. Others are more of a longshot.

8 to 2 blues after 2 lol.
- Bettmanhatesus

That sure helps.

Sure it can be done but you still have to economize elsewhere to make it happen.
- Load Management

👍

Not what I meant. It was more of a “should” you tie up that much cap in players all playing the same position. Are there any teams with three $7+m C’s?
- 1970vintage

Starts with the cap allocation breakdown. F’s D & in goal. Almost 6m is in goal leaving 76.5m+ to split on F’s & D. 27.5m is on 8 D leaving 49m for 13 F’s.

Not what I meant. It was more of a “should” you tie up that much cap in players all playing the same position. Are there any teams with three $7+m C’s?
- 1970vintage

The Leafs have 22.6 mil tied up in their top 2 Centres.

The Leafs have 22.6 mil tied up in their top 2 Centres.
- Load Management

We could get close to that if not bang on on all 3.

The Leafs have 22.6 mil tied up in their top 2 Centres.
- Load Management

Congrats to you and Northy in the pool

Congrats to you and Northy in the pool
- Codes1087

Thanks, I got lucky. dbot would've beat me this week if my team didn't go crazy scoring and Hartman didn't give Kane the finger. Good luck in the 3rd place game.

The Leafs have 22.6 mil tied up in their top 2 Centres.
- Load Management

Might be why they can’t afford a proper D or goaltending tandem…