Hey Wiz. Call me naïve, but I'm bullish on several of the recent draft picks and young prospects. Galvas and Regula have shown in small samples that they can play without panic. I believe Mitchell will get there and his ceiling will end up "Letang-ish".

They recently drafted some size that has skill and/or talent as well in Allan, Del Maestro, Crevier, Kaiser and Vlasic.

With all of those options (and I'm sure some ultimately will be traded), I see the Hawks coming away with at least three really good players. As much as I think Stan had some immense faults, he had accumulated several intriguing prospects at positions that were sorely lacking.

Now, the forward group...
- Chunk

Really good post here, Chunk. Simply said the Hawks have accumulated 9-10 defenseman prospects with reasonable chances to be NHLers and as you mention if 3-4ish become contributers you've done well. Collect 10 players at any position, besides goalie, and if 3ish hit you're gonna be good very yr. ....... And as you mention if they did the same with forwards they'd be much better as an organIzation.

And not just one trick pony skillsets, these kids have diverse toolkits. Big shut down guys, little speed/skill guys and guys in between and a nice blend of right and left shots. And I'd add 1st rd picks all the way down to late rd picks like Phillips, Crevier and Galvas. ........ Of all of the last 5-6 yrs the drafting of Dmen is the only sliver of the organIzation that operated professionally like they had a plan and executed it.

Now the trick is to develop these prospects properly, identify the keepers and move the ones that aren't before they show they will be low level NHLers or career AHLers while still at the top of their ability to garner a decent return.

Sidenote: Someone here argued long & hard that Dotson should be the selection because of size, feet, work horse ability in the QMJHL...who was it?)


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- wiz1901

Doubt I was the only one but I posted over and over coming into that draft Dobson at 6ft 4in 200lbs who put up a point per game on a Memorial Cup winning team was the real deal. Not just offensively inclined but a 2 way 3 zone player. And watching everything I could find on Boqvist I was just as adamant he was a soft 1 trick pony.

Respectively IMO that was an easy one. Dobson showed the toolkit to at the very least have a very high NHL floor but at the time the Hawks were worshipping at the speed/skill alter and chose him with with Dobson still on the board.

Hey, teams miss but missing here one could argue changed the trajectory of the franchise. If they draft big minute eating, 1st pairing, #1 PP QB Dobson fair chance they don't trade for Jones, draft centerman Sillinger and have their 1st rd pick this yr.

And for those who say the Hawks may have ruined Dobson, well, you'd have a decent argument. ............... Big, big, big, franchise altering miss though as the dominoes that followed have left the Hawks in a bind.

I know he likely isn't long for this team, but I feel for Borgstrom. Guy has to have just no confidence left at this point.

DeBrincat-Strome-Kane
Kubalik-Toews-TJohnson
Kurashev-Lafferty-Raddysh
Borgstrom-RJohnson-Katchouk
- Chunk

He hasn't exactly made any impression when he was given the opportunity. He had first crack between ADB and Kane before Strome did.
- LAHawk

He did get an opportunity, but a short one at that, then again who knows what he’s showing during practice time, obviously not much. Thanks for posting lineup, hope Stillman draws in for C Jones tonight.

I know he likely isn't long for this team, but I feel for Borgstrom. Guy has to have just no confidence left at this point.

DeBrincat-Strome-Kane
Kubalik-Toews-TJohnson
Kurashev-Lafferty-Raddysh
Borgstrom-RJohnson-Katchouk
- Chunk

He did get an opportunity, but a short one at that, then again who knows what he’s showing during practice time, obviously not much. Thanks for posting lineup, hope Stillman draws in for C Jones tonight.
- Angotti

Lankinen starts. Caleb Jones and Calvin de Haan out, Riley Stillman and Erik Gustafsson back in.

Lankinen starts. Caleb Jones and Calvin de Haan out, Riley Stillman and Erik Gustafsson back in.

- Chunk

DeHaan should be sent home....no point playing him again. Good riddance.

I’m sure that Ogie is celebrating right about now.
- Angotti

If he somehow avoids being drafted into the Russian Military, he likely won’t be allowed into the country anyway, so it won’t matter.

If he somehow avoids being drafted into the Russian Military, he likely won’t be allowed into the country anyway, so it won’t matter.
- Ogilthorpe2

Really good post here, Chunk. Simply said the Hawks have accumulated 9-10 defenseman prospects with reasonable chances to be NHLers and as you mention if 3-4ish become contributers you've done well. Collect 10 players at any position, besides goalie, and if 3ish hit you're gonna be good very yr. ....... And as you mention if they did the same with forwards they'd be much better as an organIzation.

And not just one trick pony skillsets, these kids have diverse toolkits. Big shut down guys, little speed/skill guys and guys in between and a nice blend of right and left shots. And I'd add 1st rd picks all the way down to late rd picks like Phillips, Crevier and Galvas. ........ Of all of the last 5-6 yrs the drafting of Dmen is the only sliver of the organIzation that operated professionally like they had a plan and executed it.

Now the trick is to develop these prospects properly, identify the keepers and move the ones that aren't before they show they will be low level NHLers or career AHLers while still at the top of their ability to garner a decent return.
- Mr Ricochet

Hey Rico. My blanket assumption is that only about 1/3 of the players drafted will even be somewhat interesting. I expect a number of these guys to plateau, and/or be traded for other needed parts. I've actually taken the time to watch and read up on a lot of these recently drafted d-men, and have been impressed with a number of them. I like their games. There are pure defenders (Crevier, I think could be a monster shut down guy), all around guys, offensively gifted guys and a large number that we don't really know what the heck they are (Beaudin?).

These guys were all drafted for a reason. My thinking is that I'll wait until they prove unworthy of the draft choice instead of making them prove worthy of it. It makes watching them more enjoyable and I get to remain optimistic longer.

Lankinen starts. Caleb Jones and Calvin de Haan out, Riley Stillman and Erik Gustafsson back in.

- Chunk

One out of two is not bad. To be honest, as much as I don’t like Gus, he’s currently better than C Jones. No need to keep little brother around to make big brother happy, the coin big brother will be making should be enough to satisfy him and then some.

If he somehow avoids being drafted into the Russian Military, he likely won’t be allowed into the country anyway, so it won’t matter.
- Ogilthorpe2

Well I want you to chew on the fact that Matvei Michkov is one of the best scores I have EVER seen.
This is not some FL Medical MJ review, as I keep that separate, this kid is really something at a young age...and there is upside.

Doubt I was the only one but I posted over and over coming into that draft Dobson at 6ft 4in 200lbs who put up a point per game on a Memorial Cup winning team was the real deal. Not just offensively inclined but a 2 way 3 zone player. And watching everything I could find on Boqvist I was just as adamant he was a soft 1 trick pony.

Respectively IMO that was an easy one. Dobson showed the toolkit to at the very least have a very high NHL floor but at the time the Hawks were worshipping at the speed/skill alter and chose him with with Dobson still on the board.

Hey, teams miss but missing here one could argue changed the trajectory of the franchise. If they draft big minute eating, 1st pairing, #1 PP QB Dobson fair chance they don't trade for Jones, draft centerman Sillinger and have their 1st rd pick this yr.

And for those who say the Hawks may have ruined Dobson, well, you'd have a decent argument. ............... Big, big, big, franchise altering miss though as the dominoes that followed have left the Hawks in a bind.
- Mr Ricochet

Probably wasn't drafted by Hawks because they believed that they wanted the best offensive precense and Adam Boqvist was the forward like defender that fit that bill a year before Bowen Byram.

I totally understand where GM StanBo and scout Kelly were on this: go homer with this one (after hoping brother Hughes MIGHT be there.) as he may be a elite attacker.

but I too fell staying hjoe in North America and WAITING for development is a hone term strategy over the mythic of super Swedish hero...

The redhead (Dotson) was smooth but not extraordinary in development and the route the Blackhawks chose was one of gamble, not two way solid size and defense.
(Younthiunk this got head scout Mark Kelley removed?

You guys have caught me in a lull in my work.
And, I am here so much.

I will make adjustments before all is over, but I am confident I have a pulse on both drafts.

I am anxiously awaiting the outcome of the lottery.

Probably wasn't drafted by Hawks because they believed that they wanted the best offensive precense and Adam Boqvist was the forward like defender that fit that bill a year before Bowen Byram.

I totally understand where GM StanBo and scout Kelly were on this: go homer with this one (after hoping brother Hughes MIGHT be there.) as he may be a elite attacker.

but I too fell staying hjoe in North America and WAITING for development is a hone term strategy over the mythic of super Swedish hero...

The redhead (Dotson) was smooth but not extraordinary in development and the route the Blackhawks chose was one of gamble, not two way solid size and defense.
(Younthiunk this got head scout Mark Kelley removed?
- wiz1901

I actually DO NOT.
I think it was the fact that the post first round results were not adding DeBrincats.

If I was gonna believe this it d=would start with drafting
Chad Krys off the US team that was Kelley's best insider look, the entire suck butt 2015, but it is difficult to fault Kelley after that b/c the got some prosoects.
The Henri Jokiharju when the draft is iN YOUR BUILDING was extremely disappointing.
The slot the traded out of is where Dallas gotvtheir CURRENT netminder, no matter what we think of him.

To move up Dallas paid by way of the 3rd rounder the Blackhawks used to select Andrei Altybarmakyan after all the North American sin front of him got selected.
And hawks settle for Henri Jokehaju instead of the SECOND Dallas selection, Jason Robertson, who needs work on his boots.

I think Mark Kelley was gone more as a change, a revamp and a new emphasis, and as much as I trusted Kelley, this might be a good rug beating.

Hey Rico. My blanket assumption is that only about 1/3 of the players drafted will even be somewhat interesting.
- Chunk

That is close to toehold way itv looking at it.

You will see more guys drafted on their attributes than their juiior stats nowadays.

They want edgy skaters with skill thinkingbvthe goals assists will follow their accession.

You guys have caught me in a lull in my work.
And, I am here so much.

I will make adjustments before all is over, but I am confident I have a pulse on both drafts.

I am anxiously awaiting the outcome of the lottery.
- wiz1901

Wiz, from one current Floridian to another, keep bringing it. While I don’t always agree with your assessments of current Hawks, I do respect your knowledge and scouting reports.

Well I want you to chew on the fact that Matvei Michkov is one of the best scores I have EVER seen.
This is not some FL Medical MJ review, as I keep that separate, this kid is really something at a young age...and there is upside.
- wiz1901

Good for him. Hard pass.

Wiz, from one current Floridian to another, keep bringing it. While I don’t always agree with your assessments of current Hawks, I do respect your knowledge and scouting reports.
- Angotti

I love looking at what I saw differently too.

Hayden Fleury for instance...

I thought Calgary was hood winked in that Adam Fox tarde that included Hayden, and after watching him at Carolina and seeing a more finished product in Calgary, he really has become good all around defenseman.

Rockford is most likely heading to playoffs, needing only two points with roughly five games .remaining. They lost tonight in second of back to back, however. And they play Minny's Iowa team again, which is trying to beat us for the last playoff spot. Iowa has Addison (defense) and M Rossi, a future NHL point producing center..

Positive points: Alty had a goal on Pp and Barret scored as well. All those prospects on defense and nonetheless we get outshot sometimes badly. There are just some bad players like Stanton on defense but cmon'...
Can't be outshot often.
Phillips, Beaudin, Kalynuk, I Mitchell, Galvas. Only two of those playing well. The others up and down, or has had issues like Beaudin. Phillips needs one probably two years. So he shows lots of athleticism. He needs to assert his strength. He is just average, so so. Kalynuk has not advanced his cause for NHL but does have possible NHL future.

The Icehogs defence is led by I Mitchell as everyone can plainly see. There is no way he shouldn't be in NHL next season..Galvas might get stuck behind a couple NHL veterans but deserves NHL

I heart Kevin lankinen

Well I want you to chew on the fact that Matvei Michkov is one of the best scores I have EVER seen.
This is not some FL Medical MJ review, as I keep that separate, this kid is really something at a young age...and there is upside.
- wiz1901

Doesn't matter - they don't live in a democracy, so unless someone has some sort of Clancy-esque defection scenario cooked up, I doubt it matters. They are not going to let anyone leave there for a long long time.

That's simply the geo-political reality since the end of Feb 2022.

--And that other kid- would change that to: doubt they let him out of the country (as opposed to let him into the country) semantics, but same end result.

Doesn't matter - they don't live in a democracy, so unless someone has some sort of Clancy-esque defection scenario cooked up, I doubt it matters. They are not going to let anyone leave there for a long long time.

That's simply the geo-political reality since the end of Feb 2022.

--And that other kid- would change that to: doubt they let him out of the country (as opposed to let him into the country) semantics, but same end result.
- SC116

Interesting take. So are all Russian passport holders that play hockey all over the world will have their visa’s revoked by Russia? Will the Visa apps be denied by the world? That is one way that Ovechkin would not be able to catch Gretzky.

[quote=jhawk59]Having a Russian player, a Ukranian player or a player from that part of the world is a potential roadblock. A roadblock for all concerned if Putin makes life difficult. Putin can bar entry and exit. He can bar prospects from ever leaving Russia. He might use them as pawns, too. What is the latest on the star lady basketball player barred from leaving - and she is an American.

The players have families and friends, maybe business interests, homes etc al. Do they forfeit them forever. Will they never see a family member again. Can't get through to them via phone or internet?

Therefore Russian players are potentially players whose off ice social life could affect on ice production.

You may see Russian players traded for cheap, released, they may retire. Prospects may never come play NHL. That Russian wiz says is so great - gets drafted at what point in the draft? Owning an extra choice may entice a GM to "steal" him much lower than he would been selected.

I guess you could add a new meaning to playing Russian roulette but with hockey players. Perilous days, scary time ahead for the Russian players.
Surprisingly haven't heard much about this subject matter. /quote]

Teams can only move up twice max now in 5 years.

Thanks Wiz for your insights. Waiting here for the draft lottery on the 10th as well, hoping we do not move up to number two. A worst case scenario that would be fitting for this year.

Teams can only move up twice max now in 5 years.

Thanks Wiz for your insights. Waiting here for the draft lottery on the 10th as well, hoping we do not move up to number two. A worst case scenario that would be fitting for this year.
- TheDrumonMadison

Just wondering if Columbus would be allowed to offer Chicago something in trade IF the Blackhawks wound up with the second selection. Maybe Columbus wants the second player in the '22 draft, so does Columbus have a first round in '22? Maybe more than one first round choice. Take the Fluery pick and give us one of their first round selections. We agree to give them the first in '22. Now we can keep our #1 in 23.

Just wondering if Columbus would be allowed to offer Chicago something in trade IF the Blackhawks wound up with the second selection. Maybe Columbus wants the second player in the '22 draft, so does Columbus have a first round in '22? Maybe more than one first round choice. Take the Fluery pick and give us one of their first round selections. We agree to give them the first in '22. Now we can keep our #1 in 23.
- jhawk59

Why would the Hawks do that? There is no guarantee that the Hawks would draft in the top 2, or in the top 8 for that matter? Is the second pick this year equal to the eighth next year? They have 2 #1's in 23, and if they end up trading Kane, Toews, Jones, or ADB they will have more.