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Apr 27 @ 12:07 PM ET
Of the lost Ark or Stanley Cup 😆 - THE EVIL WITHIN
Flyers are the guy waving their sword around all fancy like, with all their summer splashes... and the rest of the NHL is Indy, just shooting them dead before they can even take a step:
Potential reasons that Flyer’s are hush-hush on the injury status:
A. They and Ellis are not on the same page with treatment, and to avoid an Eichel situation, they will give Ellis as much time as possible to research, get second opinions, and do therapy he is comfortable trying.
B. Personal/family issues beyond the injury that are not something the team can or should share.
C. Treatments are making marginal improvements, and it’s a hard choice to determine if over a few additional months, he can return to 100% or if other options are needed.
D. Any letter combination above
From Ellis’ standpoint, it is easy to understand not wanting to do treatment here given what we already know about the state of turmoil with the organization and medical staff. It is also easy to understand if someone is a private person, not real familiar with a new team or city, to not be comfortable. Plus, it is common for injured players to distance themselves from a team so as not to be a distraction. For example, he skated…is he coming back? However, said player also needs to recognize when his absence becomes that distraction for his team and now fanbase. Only one home game left, this Friday, I hope Ellis plans to be present and accounted for that night.
I wouldn't have thought that Ben Simmons would've burned a year of his career to get away from the 76ers either but here we are with him watching his current team get swept from the playoffs because he isn't mentally ready to play or back soreness. It seemed to alternate by day with the nets having paid him every day since the trade and him filing a grievance to get his money from the 76ers.
I guess the point is that when it comes to some types of potential injuries the team is at the mercy of the player. If a player claims his back hurts or his hamstring is sore the team has to assume the player is telling the truth and if a player has a long term guaranteed contract where money isn't an issue, then other things could take priority. - Flyers_01
Simmonds is a nut case who is perfectly healthy enough to play. He simply doesn't want to play. For anybody. I don't see it as a comparable situation and I knew that was going to be brought up. I don't think for a second that Ellis is not legitimately injured.
I have said that from the beginning, based on some of the same things gone over since there was a WTF moment more than halfway through the season. Yes he was probably blindsided by the trade given the new deal, his d partner, Nashville system lifer, etc.
It is not in conflict with the sites rules to speculate that a wife may not like the culture regionally here/city/whatever or is merely a reflection of her husbands unhappiness. She is from Ontario and is not a southern belle...However if they morphed into the Nashville regional culture all bets are off. However metropolitan parts of the city may be, I still think of that state like the old series " In The Heat of the Night" taking place in the fictional small town of Sparta Miss. Of course they could go to the Pennsyltucky part of PA and might feel at home, except its a little too far to the rink.
I said it before, this really needs whatever the CBA allows in terms of arbitration/mediation regarding his actual medical issue or an unwillingness to perform. Yes I said the magic words of accusation. - RajaAmpat
You've made a baseless accusation with not even a hint of circumstantial evidence that this is a situation of a player not willing to play and is not legitimately injured.
He can demand a trade if that's true. But no team is trading for a guy with his contract if he can't prove he's totally healthy. So refusing to play or refusing to get treatment is not going to help him get out of Philly, if that's actually his goal. - Feanor
Potential reasons that Flyer’s are hush-hush on the injury status:
A. They and Ellis are not on the same page with treatment, and to avoid an Eichel situation, they will give Ellis as much time as possible to research, get second opinions, and do therapy he is comfortable trying.
B. Personal/family issues beyond the injury that are not something the team can or should share.
C. Treatments are making marginal improvements, and it’s a hard choice to determine if over a few additional months, he can return to 100% or if other options are needed.
D. Any letter combination above
From Ellis’ standpoint, it is easy to understand not wanting to do treatment here given what we already know about the state of turmoil with the organization and medical staff. It is also easy to understand if someone is a private person, not real familiar with a new team or city, to not be comfortable. Plus, it is common for injured players to distance themselves from a team so as not to be a distraction. For example, he skated…is he coming back? However, said player also needs to recognize when his absence becomes that distraction for his team and now fanbase. Only one home game left, this Friday, I hope Ellis plans to be present and accounted for that night. - NC Flyers Fan
I can see all but B. While they would keep the exact reason private. Teams announce when a player has left the team for personal reasons.
Reminds me of Bryzgalov who made out like a bandit even though he was mentally unstable even before the flyers signed him to, I think, the largest goalie contract in history at the time.
Bryz got out of Philly and made more money doing so than he would've by playing here even though he was making top dollar here.
Different circumstances at the beginning because Bryz came willingly once the bags of cash got high enough but they may end similarly with the Flyers paying them to go away.
He was also brought in despite numerous red flags because he was the guy they wanted. - Flyers_01
That's not correct. Bryzgalov lost money in the buyout.
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Apr 27 @ 12:55 PM ET
This is a really excellent point. - MJL
I truly hope it isn't some degenerative thing like with Ray Emery's hip. Something surgery can't fix, and treatment only goes so far. Forsberg's feet also come to mind.
After what I have seen from the young players this past month, I really hope Fletcher does very little this off season and gives the kids a chance to play a full season and see what we have here. Given JVR has 20+ goals for one of the worst teams in the league with the worst PP in the league should enable Fletcher to trade him this off season by covering some of his salary to make the trade happen. - jd250
Not going to happen. Flyers are going to rearrange the deck chairs again. Trading JVR if possible will cost the Flyers assets.
I truly hope it isn't some degenerative thing like with Ray Emery's hip. Something surgery can't fix, and treatment only goes so far. Forsberg's feet also come to mind. - MBFlyerfan
From a personal point of view. I don't wish that on Ellis. However as a Flyers fan, I absolutely hope it's something like that. That would be the best thing for the Flyers.
Simmonds is a nut case who is perfectly healthy enough to play. He simply doesn't want to play. For anybody. I don't see it as a comparable situation and I knew that was going to be brought up. I don't think for a second that Ellis is not legitimately injured. - MJL
He has mental health issues. Very insensitive of you Cliff. You have no idea what he is going through.
You've made a baseless accusation with not even a hint of circumstantial evidence that this is a situation of a player not willing to play and is not legitimately injured. - MJL
wow, you're funny. You just got finished calling Ben Simmonds a "a nut case who is perfectly healthy enough to play" without having any actual evidence to back it up. We're all just fans here trying to entertain ourselves.
wow, you're funny. You just got finished calling Ben Simmonds a "a nut case who is perfectly healthy enough to play" without having any actual evidence to back it up. We're all just fans here trying to entertain ourselves. - Dkos
There is plenty of evidence that Simmonds is healthy enough to play.
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ Joined: 03.17.2006
Apr 27 @ 1:07 PM ET
From a personal point of view. I don't wish that on Ellis. However as a Flyers fan, I absolutely hope it's something like that. That would be the best thing for the Flyers. - MJL
Yes, from a purely cap standpoint, it would at least give some certainty on what is available capwise.
In the end I just hate not knowing what is actually going on.
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ Joined: 03.17.2006
Apr 27 @ 1:09 PM ET
wow, you're funny. You just got finished calling Ben Simmonds a "a nut case who is perfectly healthy enough to play" without having any actual evidence to back it up. We're all just fans here trying to entertain ourselves. - Dkos
Ben Simmons is a mental weakling who can't handle the criticism of his game and folds whenever it's brought up.
There is plenty of evidence that Simmonds is healthy enough to play. - MJL
all kidding aside. I think us (we?) fans know very little about what is really going on...with both Simmonds and Ellis. We're all just speculating here. It's all entertainment.
Ben Simmons is a mental weakling who can't handle the criticism of his game and folds whenever it's brought up. - MBFlyerfan
Maybe. I'm just pointing out that we're all just speculating here. Personally I think Simmonds has no interest in playing and is just milking as much money out of the situation as he can, but I have no facts to prove it.
Maybe. I'm just pointing out that we're all just speculating here. - Dkos
Like I've said previously. When there is a lack of information, that leads to speculation. However. speculation also has to make some sense. For example, my speculation that Simmons is healthy enough to play and just doesn't want to play, is based on past history with the player. At multiple levels. Combined with many basketball sources including many ex players and analysts criticizing Simmons. When it comes to Ellis and this idea that he hasn't played because he doesn't want to be here. What evidence, circumstantial or otherwise is there to support that?
