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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 26 @ 10:33 AM ET
I want to see a whole philosophical change from development to the on ice product. They need to draft talent first. Its been way too long with the 200 foot player mindset. That is great and all in the end. But they should be ALWAYS drafting the most talented player available. Then in development accentuate his strengths and limit his deficiencies while helping him to work on it. But this franchise seems to have a history of stifling strengths at the expense of having them fix their deficiencies.

As for the team, this Broad Street Bullies, tough to play against mentality has gone the way of the dinosaur.

And they miss the whole point anyway. Those great Flyers teams were tough, but they were always extremely talented teams.

So it always comes back to talent level first. If you draft a goal scorer, make sure he is in a position to score, as much as possible. Outscore his deficiencies and work on them. Don't play him on the 4th line with pluggers and complain he doesn't produce.

Meh, what do I know.

- MBFlyerfan



konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Apr 26 @ 10:35 AM ET
I could go for an outta of box HC.
How about Rikard Kronborg.
Interesting World wide resume.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Apr 26 @ 10:45 AM ET
Not all a mess as some look to have brighter futures. Whether they end up having it remains to be seen.

I just dont see a guy with a short shelf life willingly take this coaching job. Unless no options and he just want to coach. A guy like torts you bring in during the 2nd/final stage to try to get you over the hump.

- hello it's me 2050


Good points, can't disagree. Personally, I would not want to see Torts, Julien, or Toch as HC
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Apr 26 @ 10:49 AM ET
How about when Yandle wasn't on the PP? He spent plenty of time on PP2 and then off the PP than he did on PP1. The numbers were awful any which way.

Also, for those inclined to jump right to "Ghost would have made a big difference", considering that the Coyotes are at 13.5%, keeping Ghost here for the PP would not have moved the needle much.

- bmeltzer

While you're right, Ghost would still have the most PPP on this team.... and Jake would too... kind of ironic.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 26 @ 10:51 AM ET
I could go for an outta of box HC.
How about Rikard Kronborg.
Interesting World wide resume.

- konalover711



I wouldn't mind that path. Though IMO Hakstol was that kind of hire and people didnt really go for it.

And in hindsight, I think Hakstol did a good job with what he was given.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Apr 26 @ 10:58 AM ET
I wouldn't mind that path. Though IMO Hakstol was that kind of hire and people didnt really go for it.

And in hindsight, I think Hakstol did a good job with what he was given.

- MBFlyerfan


The shame part was letting Berube go. An argument could be made he learned from his mistakes. I don't understand the fall out with Joe Mullen, that was the head scratcher. Consistent top 5 PP and he was not retained. Very strange.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Apr 26 @ 11:07 AM ET
Good points, can't disagree. Personally, I would not want to see Torts, Julien, or Toch as HC
- Trox88


Damn I forgot about Claude. He's the LAST guy I would want. Talk about boring hockey 😴
jjackels55
Location: NJ
Joined: 12.15.2015

Apr 26 @ 11:11 AM ET
Can we just start the "Blow for Bedard" process now.
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Apr 26 @ 11:15 AM ET
I wouldn't mind that path. Though IMO Hakstol was that kind of hire and people didnt really go for it.

And in hindsight, I think Hakstol did a good job with what he was given.

- MBFlyerfan

Whe nI wrote I thought about Hak...
True he wasn't given much but I expected him to bring best out of youngsters and develop them properly....Just about all regressed under him.

This guy Kronborg has Won at high levels and brings a new view to North American Hockey.
Similar to the Russians thought process to rethink Hockey coming out of the war.

I would love to see a new brand of Flyers hockey up tempo, solid D great transition game.
Eliminate the give up possession scheme that is our identity.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Apr 26 @ 11:22 AM ET
Have they scored a PP goal since the blog where you stated they were 8 for the last 100 PP opportunities?
- Pelle31Forever

i know they popped one in on the pens the other day.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Apr 26 @ 11:24 AM ET
Brink is going to be asked this offseason to lower his body fat percentage by a bit. It's fine for college hockey where you play twice a week (usually FRI/SAT, but not always) but the pro game is more grueling. He'll be fine. Just an adjustment.
- bmeltzer

Do you mean put on more muscle or literally lose body fat? wouldn't being lighter make him easy to push around?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 26 @ 11:31 AM ET
Can we just start the "Blow for Bedard" process now.
- jjackels55

We’ll be a fringe playoff team next year after Chuck goes hog wild this off-season. He’ll end up on the Devils or some poop.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 26 @ 11:35 AM ET
Yeah.

As for the Patrick pick, at the time I will admit I was ok with what happened because I wanted Patrick and it was widely known NJ was going to take Hischier. Not using hindsight, at the time I thought, great, this works out ok.

But yeah, we surely lucked in to that. I saw it as karma for the Kane pick. Little was I to know that female dog wasn't quite done with us yet.

- MBFlyerfan

I’ve supported many players who have ultimately did not meet expectations in Philly. Vinny LeCavalier, Nolan Patrick just to name a few.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Apr 26 @ 11:37 AM ET
I want to see a whole philosophical change from development to the on ice product. They need to draft talent first. Its been way too long with the 200 foot player mindset. That is great and all in the end. But they should be ALWAYS drafting the most talented player available. Then in development accentuate his strengths and limit his deficiencies while helping him to work on it. But this franchise seems to have a history of stifling strengths at the expense of having them fix their deficiencies.

As for the team, this Broad Street Bullies, tough to play against mentality has gone the way of the dinosaur.

And they miss the whole point anyway. Those great Flyers teams were tough, but they were always extremely talented teams.

So it always comes back to talent level first. If you draft a goal scorer, make sure he is in a position to score, as much as possible. Outscore his deficiencies and work on them. Don't play him on the 4th line with pluggers and complain he doesn't produce.

Meh, what do I know.

- MBFlyerfan


Unfortunately, the "hockey people" that are whispering in the ear of Dave Scott are the dinosaurs. They won't be in favor of extinction.

Well said though.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 26 @ 11:49 AM ET
Unfortunately, the "hockey people" that are whispering in the ear of Dave Scott are the dinosaurs. They won't be in favor of extinction.

Well said though.

- StepfordSam

They really are. Are there even any other teams out there taking their front office directions from guys who glory days were in the mid 70s. There can’t be many at this point.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Apr 26 @ 11:52 AM ET
Whe nI wrote I thought about Hak...
True he wasn't given much but I expected him to bring best out of youngsters and develop them properly....Just about all regressed under him.

This guy Kronborg has Won at high levels and brings a new view to North American Hockey.
Similar to the Russians thought process to rethink Hockey coming out of the war.

I would love to see a new brand of Flyers hockey up tempo, solid D great transition game.
Eliminate the give up possession scheme that is our identity.

- konalover711

Th young players regressed under AV, not Hak
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 26 @ 11:53 AM ET
They really are. Are there even any other teams out there taking their front office directions from guys who glory days were in the mid 70s. There can’t be many at this point.
- hereticpride

I might be considered a dinosaur myself. I believe in speed and a structured 5 man unit but I also still like big and physical guys. I do believe they still have their place in the game.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Apr 26 @ 11:57 AM ET
Whe nI wrote I thought about Hak...
True he wasn't given much but I expected him to bring best out of youngsters and develop them properly....Just about all regressed under him.

This guy Kronborg has Won at high levels and brings a new view to North American Hockey.
Similar to the Russians thought process to rethink Hockey coming out of the war.

I would love to see a new brand of Flyers hockey up tempo, solid D great transition game.
Eliminate the give up possession scheme that is our identity.

- konalover711

good ole boys network doesn't like that........
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Apr 26 @ 12:06 PM ET
Hayes on that back Chek for the Debrincat goal was a real tone setter for the young guys. Make him captain!
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Apr 26 @ 12:13 PM ET
Hayes on that back Chek for the Debrincat goal was a real tone setter for the young guys. Make him captain!
- ClaudeFather


He knows that 2 points would not help this team. He's commited to the tank. Yes, let's make him captain!!
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 26 @ 12:21 PM ET
Do you mean put on more muscle or literally lose body fat? wouldn't being lighter make him easy to push around?
- 2Real


Both. Reduce body fat percentage slightly and add muscle at a playing weight he can maintain. Probably won't be a one-offseason process.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 26 @ 12:24 PM ET
Bill, whats your take on Ellis? There are a lot of rumors out there. At the very least people are saying that the situation is very strange. Has Ellis separated himself from the team? Is there anything unusual about that with an injured player who has been shut down for the year? Do you get the feeling something odd is going on? After the news about the training staff possibly being exposed to carcinogens at the training facility I know I wouldnt be too enthusiastic about doing my rehab there.
- Dkos


I think there has been a little too much secrecy about exactly what he's dealing with, why it's taken so long to make a decision on the best way to go forward and how we literally went from day to day in October to out for the season with no clarity whatsoever.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Apr 26 @ 12:27 PM ET
Depending how the last few games go, they can finish with less goals than every team in the NHL outside of the Coyotes. Are they the measuring stick now?

Your obsession with defending this dumpster fire borders on insanity.

Plindbergh

Actually, I think he was just telling you to be more precise in your criticisms to protect them from claims of inaccuracy. Well played, I would say.
iamscore2day
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 03.23.2021

Apr 26 @ 12:29 PM ET
Both. Reduce body fat percentage slightly and add muscle at a playing weight he can maintain. Probably won't be a one-offseason process.
- bmeltzer


He should train with the guy LeTang trains with. Have you seen those workouts on youtube? They will whip anyone into shape. (Travis S should also do these).
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Apr 26 @ 12:29 PM ET
I think there has been a little too much secrecy about exactly what he's dealing with, why it's taken so long to make a decision on the best way to go forward and how we literally went from day to day in October to out for the season with no clarity whatsoever.
- bmeltzer


Thanks for your response. Is it reasonable to read into it NOT being JUST an issue with the injury?
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