I mean if you’re one of the worst two teams in the league you’re still not picking any worse than 4th. Tanking still pays off more than it doesn’t.
- hereticpride

2020 Detroit dropped from #1 to #4, got Lucas Raymond who's off to a better start to his career than Lafraniere,

2018 Ottawa dropped from #2 to #4, got Brady Tkachuk who is better than who Montreal took at #2 (Kotkaniemi),

2017 Colorado dropped from #1 to #4, still ended up with the best player in the draft (Makar). Vancouver dropped from #2 to #5 and still ended up with the second best player (Pettersson),

2013 Florida dropped from #1 to #2, still ended up with Barkov who's about equal to MacKinnon right now.

It does hurt when you lose a draft lottery when somebody like McDavid, Kane or Crosby are available, tho, haha.

https://www.flyersnation....jphEwg2BePoIHDFNDtAJt7DVs

It is also believed that he was unhappy with the Flyers’ medical staff, has been away from the team for awhile, and has been given the choice of surgery from the Flyers but hasn’t accepted it or has no want-to to get it done. There are also rumours about why the Flyers only had to trade Nolan Patrick and Phil Myers for such a “stud” and it’s believed that Fletcher might’ve been aware of the injury before the trade but disregarded it because that was “his guy”. Finally, it has also been reported that some people within the organization don’t even know what’s wrong or what’s going on. Take it with a grain of salt of course, but it has been reported by some reputable sources.

https://www.flyersnation.com/the-ryan-ellis-saga-continues-to-get-weirder-and-weirder/?fbclid=IwAR1Y2qsc5_23SdWpnsuz01deUhIE3egPTljphEwg2BePoIHDFNDtAJt7DVs

It is also believed that he was unhappy with the Flyers’ medical staff, has been away from the team for awhile, and has been given the choice of surgery from the Flyers but hasn’t accepted it or has no want-to to get it done. There are also rumours about why the Flyers only had to trade Nolan Patrick and Phil Myers for such a “stud” and it’s believed that Fletcher might’ve been aware of the injury before the trade but disregarded it because that was “his guy”. Finally, it has also been reported that some people within the organization don’t even know what’s wrong or what’s going on. Take it with a grain of salt of course, but it has been reported by some reputable sources.
- hello it's me 2050

This is a "smoke/fire" situation IMO.

He isn't being misdiagnosed by some free clinic intern as has been suggested. They know what is wrong, he knows what is wrong. He doesn't want to be here. Plain and simple.

If I am completely wrong about this, both the player and the Flyers need to get out in front of it or this guy is going to be a pariah in this town. Every time he makes a mistake on the ice the whole city is going to come down on him like a ton of bricks.

I already don't like him and he has only played 4 games for us. At least Risto acts like he wants to be here and plays hard.

This is a "smoke/fire" situation IMO.

He isn't being misdiagnosed by some free clinic intern as has been suggested. They know what is wrong, he knows what is wrong. He doesn't want to be here. Plain and simple.

If I am completely wrong about this, both the player and the Flyers need to get out in front of it or this guy is going to be a pariah in this town. Every time he makes a mistake on the ice the whole city is going to come down on him like a ton of bricks.

I already don't like him and he has only played 4 games for us. At least Risto acts like he wants to be here and plays hard.
- MBFlyerfan

Of course they both know what the issue is and what the real issue is as well.

As usual because they are on the payroll none of the local or beat writers will open that box and actually report on this situation.

To not want to be here is fine. To sit out all year thinking you can then be traded is well dumb to me. Whole situation is odd and just puts another stain on the flyers ineptness.

Of course they both know what the issue is and what the real issue is as well.

As usual because they are on the payroll none of the local or beat writers will open that box and actually report on this situation.

To not want to be here is fine. To sit out all year thinking you can then be traded is well dumb to me. Whole situation is odd and just puts another stain on the flyers ineptness.
- hello it's me 2050

Yeah, him thinking he is even tradeable (if that is the case) is a ridiculous notion. The best worst case is that it is a Pronger situation and he is just on LTIR for the length of the contract. It just makes it difficult for the team in the offseason because that money technically counts against the cap and the 10% over clause comes into effect. (MJL can confirm or correct me on that) But at least they can vector that money in to another player to an extent.

This is a "smoke/fire" situation IMO.

He isn't being misdiagnosed by some free clinic intern as has been suggested. They know what is wrong, he knows what is wrong. He doesn't want to be here. Plain and simple.

If I am completely wrong about this, both the player and the Flyers need to get out in front of it or this guy is going to be a pariah in this town. Every time he makes a mistake on the ice the whole city is going to come down on him like a ton of bricks.

I already don't like him and he has only played 4 games for us. At least Risto acts like he wants to be here and plays hard.
- MBFlyerfan

The Flyers relevance is in such freefall, i dont think anybody cares

Excellent. I hope he sabotages next year too.

The Flyers relevance is in such freefall, i dont think anybody cares
- THE BLACK HAND

Huh?

The Flyers relevance is in such freefall, i dont think anybody cares
- THE BLACK HAND

Yeah they will.

Yeah, him thinking he is even tradeable (if that is the case) is a ridiculous notion. The best worst case is that it is a Pronger situation and he is just on LTIR for the length of the contract. It just makes it difficult for the team in the offseason because that money technically counts against the cap and the 10% over clause comes into effect. (MJL can confirm or correct me on that) But at least they can vector that money in to another player to an extent.
- MBFlyerfan

Actually shocked nothing has leaked at this point. That in itself seems very odd. To be this hush hush not the norm.

Wonder if there is anything from a legal issue involved in any way.

This is a "smoke/fire" situation IMO.

He isn't being misdiagnosed by some free clinic intern as has been suggested. They know what is wrong, he knows what is wrong. He doesn't want to be here. Plain and simple.

If I am completely wrong about this, both the player and the Flyers need to get out in front of it or this guy is going to be a pariah in this town. Every time he makes a mistake on the ice the whole city is going to come down on him like a ton of bricks.

I already don't like him and he has only played 4 games for us. At least Risto acts like he wants to be here and plays hard.
- MBFlyerfan

Can we really believe that because Ellis doesn't want to play here that he is putting off treatment or surgery and putting his career on hold? I'm not buying that.

Yeah, him thinking he is even tradeable (if that is the case) is a ridiculous notion. The best worst case is that it is a Pronger situation and he is just on LTIR for the length of the contract. It just makes it difficult for the team in the offseason because that money technically counts against the cap and the 10% over clause comes into effect. (MJL can confirm or correct me on that) But at least they can vector that money in to another player to an extent.
- MBFlyerfan

There have been some changes made to LTIR in terms of the off season. If a player has been on LTIR the previous season and it is deemed he will not be medically ready to play for the start of the next season. A player can be placed on off season LTIR.

Can we really believe that because Ellis doesn't want to play here that he is putting off treatment or surgery and putting his career on hold? I'm not buying that.
- MJL

Very easy to believe he doesn't want to be here. Did you see his first press conference. If you did then you can how thrilled he was to be moved.

He has no allegiance to the Flyers so if he wants out he will do what he deems necessary.

Can we really believe that because Ellis doesn't want to play here that he is putting off treatment or surgery and putting his career on hold? I'm not buying that.
- MJL

I wouldn't have thought that Ben Simmons would've burned a year of his career to get away from the 76ers either but here we are with him watching his current team get swept from the playoffs because he isn't mentally ready to play or back soreness. It seemed to alternate by day with the nets having paid him every day since the trade and him filing a grievance to get his money from the 76ers.

I guess the point is that when it comes to some types of potential injuries the team is at the mercy of the player. If a player claims his back hurts or his hamstring is sore the team has to assume the player is telling the truth and if a player has a long term guaranteed contract where money isn't an issue, then other things could take priority.

Very easy to believe he doesn't want to be here. Did you see his first press conference. If you did then you can how thrilled he was to be moved.

He has no allegiance to the Flyers so if he wants out he will do what he deems necessary.
- hello it's me 2050

So he would be thrilled to go anywhere else? It would be such a limited team choice for another trade. This whole he doesn’t want to be here makes no sense. He was not happy to leave Nashville, understandable but there is no way he can get back there. You think he’s crying himself to sleep saying I hate Philadelphia. The nonsense folks will believe around here never gets old.

I love the conspiracy theory about Ellis being injured when the Flyers traded for him even though he played four preseasons games and looked great until getting hurt at the end of the very last game.

So he would be thrilled to go anywhere else? It would be such a limited team choice for another trade. This whole he doesn’t want to be here makes no sense. He was not happy to leave Nashville, understandable but there is no way he can get back there. You think he’s crying himself to sleep saying I hate Philadelphia. The nonsense folks will believe around here never gets old.
- ClaudeFather

Why is it so hard to believe he wants no part of being in philly the next 6 years?

The fact people don't want to accept that as a possibility is nonsense.

Very easy to believe he doesn't want to be here. Did you see his first press conference. If you did then you can how thrilled he was to be moved.

He has no allegiance to the Flyers so if he wants out he will do what he deems necessary.
- hello it's me 2050

I have said that from the beginning, based on some of the same things gone over since there was a WTF moment more than halfway through the season. Yes he was probably blindsided by the trade given the new deal, his d partner, Nashville system lifer, etc.

It is not in conflict with the sites rules to speculate that a wife may not like the culture regionally here/city/whatever or is merely a reflection of her husbands unhappiness. She is from Ontario and is not a southern belle...However if they morphed into the Nashville regional culture all bets are off. However metropolitan parts of the city may be, I still think of that state like the old series " In The Heat of the Night" taking place in the fictional small town of Sparta Miss. Of course they could go to the Pennsyltucky part of PA and might feel at home, except its a little too far to the rink.

I said it before, this really needs whatever the CBA allows in terms of arbitration/mediation regarding his actual medical issue or an unwillingness to perform. Yes I said the magic words of accusation.

Of course they both know what the issue is and what the real issue is as well.

As usual because they are on the payroll none of the local or beat writers will open that box and actually report on this situation.
- hello it's me 2050

Can you list all of the local or beat writers who are paid by the Flyers?

If my math and understanding of tiebreakers are correct- Flyers lose in regulation they wrap up 4th worst record. Even if they beat OTT and tie with points if the Devils lose out, Flyers have less wins. Hence, Flyers stay at 4. Still a shot at 3rd worse with some SEA help.

Why is it so hard to believe he wants no part of being in philly the next 6 years?

The fact people don't want to accept that as a possibility is nonsense.
- hello it's me 2050

Where the Frank would he go? He was upset to leave his home, why wouldn’t he be. He is a professional hockey player and has a huge contract, it is what it is. He knows this.

So he would be thrilled to go anywhere else? It would be such a limited team choice for another trade. This whole he doesn’t want to be here makes no sense. He was not happy to leave Nashville, understandable but there is no way he can get back there. You think he’s crying himself to sleep saying I hate Philadelphia. The nonsense folks will believe around here never gets old.
- ClaudeFather

I think this is it. He DID NOT want to leave Nashville. I'm not saying everything is kosher between him and the medical staff and all, but I think it's ridiculous to say he doesn't want to be here. His first press conference looked like someone who was shellshocked, who just got traded from the only team he's ever known and one in which he had just signed a long term contract.

I think he could do a little more to be around his teammates though, try to build rapport if he isn't doing that.

Why is it so hard to believe he wants no part of being in philly the next 6 years?

The fact people don't want to accept that as a possibility is nonsense.
- hello it's me 2050

He can demand a trade if that's true. But no team is trading for a guy with his contract if he can't prove he's totally healthy. So refusing to play or refusing to get treatment is not going to help him get out of Philly, if that's actually his goal.

Can you list all of the local or beat writers who are paid by the Flyers?
- Feanor

I can.

Where the Frank would he go? He was upset to leave his home, why wouldn’t he be. He is a professional hockey player and has a huge contract, it is what it is. He knows this.
- ClaudeFather

Is it possible he wants no part of playing or being in philly? Yes or no?