Jeremy Roenick should be in the HoF long before either. Yes to Price. Yes to MaF. No to Mike Richter. - lacaprup
MAF was a product of being in Pittsburgh He should have done more and back stopped that team to more Cups But He was not a playoff savior by any means
He had the nickname in Pittsburgh of First shot Fleury and Four Goal Fleury sometimes Five Goal Fleury and won some of those games just because of the team in front of him You cannot say that about Price He won because he was good and the teams in front of him were NOT very good. He was Team Canada Goalie because they trusted him but Team Canada never trusted MAF and rightly so
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Apr 27 @ 3:08 PM ET
Richter over Price??? lmao no shott. Obviously Russ a Rangers fan would say that.
Richter was largely carried by strong teams in front of him where as Price has never had a great team in front of him yet he's carried them while still putting up better numbers. The not winning the Cup hurts him but Richter not on his level as a goaltender.
Habs can lock up last place and the best odds at the #1 pick with a regulation loss tonight. Lets goooo boys!! Also thank you Minny!
I'm assuming if Price is no question HOF then Bobrovsky is as well without playing another game... - Glak18
There are many very good goalies with good stat lines, awards, cups that fall short of HOF status. To me Price, Richter, Bob, Crawford are all in the range of very good but not HOF worthy. MAF has had similar stats but has done so over far more games than any of those others. Fans are biased. I don’t think any of those guys are HOF worthy.
Richter, lol. Please. Not once was he ever considered to be among the best goalies in the league. Competent is the word I would use. Certainly not HOF worthy
Price has been the single best goalie in the league multiple times. He’s propped up terrible Habs teams, year over year. Even if he retires tomorrow, he’s in the HOF - AxlRose91
Part of Richter's problem is that it was just a crazy generation for goaltenders in general. Roy, Hasek, and Belfour were all born in 1965. Richter in 1966. Joseph in 1967.
The other thing is that the years where Richter grades out statistically as a high-end goaltender relative to league average (1989-90 through 1996-97) are just insane transition years for the position in general. There's a huge chasm between a handful of newer, younger, tactically superior goalies (Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, Belfour, Joseph, Richter, Osgood ...) who are ascending, and then the old timers who hadn't yet been fully pushed out yet (Fuhr, Moog, Vernon, McLean, Barrasso, Ranford, etc.). Already by the early-to-mid 90s Vanbiesbrouck is basically the only goalie in the entire league who started before Roy and was still above average statistically.
I think these factors make it particularly tough to judge goalies of Richter's generation. Were they simply overshadowed by the titanic talents of Roy, Hasek, and later Brodeur? Or are they overrated simply because they're the first generation to enter the league after the position was revolutionized? Maybe they only looked amazing to us (and graded out so well compared to league average) because there weren't enough of them to go around yet, and most teams were still forced to rely on dinosaurs in net.
EDIT: After thinking about this a little more I am switching my vote from Price by a little bit to Price by a lot. In terms of benchmarking their performance against the average of their peers, they grade out fairly similarly. The difference is that the depth of competition at the position was much, much stronger in Price's time.
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Apr 27 @ 4:00 PM ET
Richeter was a good goalie. not HOF good though Carey Price is better thn Richter was, but he doesn't belong in the Hall either.
There are what, 4 guys admitted per year? Start to list current plyers that will make it, in the next 10 years (maybe born in 94 or before) -
Crosby, Ovechkin, Thornton, Kane, Malkin, Kopitar, Jagr, Bergeron, Stamkos, Burns, Chara, Keith, Hedman, WEber, Getzlaf, Toews, Doughty
Guys that are borderline that are that age. Giroux, Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Josi, Quick, Suter, Seabrook, Perry, Letang, Landeskog, Huberdeau, Gaudreau. MAF, RAsk. Panarin.
Guys that are already retired that should/could make it. Lundqvist, Sedin x 2, Luongo, Zetterberg, Datsuk, Brindamour, Mogilny, Gonchar. elias. Doan. Roenick, Tim Thomas.
I'm sure I'm missing a bunch. and more will work their way into the convo. You start to get up towards 40 players, and there will be more retiring early that you add to the list. You have to start cutting guys Not everyone can make it (althoguh it feels like it sometimes)
Spoiler alert. Final verdict from the Buzz was...both Price and Richter deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. Ek even mentioned Richter and Hasek in the same sentence as first time hall-of-famers.
I'll repeat what I said earlier...in 12 full-time seasons, Richter was never voted to win the Vezina, never came in 2nd, and in 12 years he got 1 single 3rd place vote. So that's the Hall of Fame standard? So if you let Richter in then make room for Quick, Rinne, Miller, Osgood, Rask...They could just open a new goalie wing of guys who were pretty good. Then you move into the next room to see Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, Dryden, Plante, Sawchuk, Tretiak.
Hey Cam Ward has a Conn Smythe and a Cup. More career wins a better career save percentage and GAA over the same number of seasons Richter played(14). Anyone blinded enough to think Richter would belong in the HOF over Carey Price must bleed blue. That said there’s plenty of goalies that I think deserve it more than Price right now. The difference is he overshadowed his peers in an era, much like Roy, Hasek, Belfour, Brodeur did in Richter’s era. That’s the reason most people see Price as a guaranteed HOFer.
Is there any player more over rated than Carey Price? His stats are identical to the likes of a Tomas Vokoun and no one thought Tomas Vokoun was the best goalie in the NHL.
Over the last 20 years. Price ranks 12th in save percentage and 26 in goals against average. (250 starts minimum)...
I get it. He was really good for like three seasons.
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Apr 27 @ 5:44 PM ET
Is there any player more over rated than Carey Price? His stats are identical to the likes of a Tomas Vokoun and no one thought Tomas Vokoun was the best goalie in the NHL.
Over the last 20 years. Price ranks 12th in save percentage and 26 in goals against average. (250 starts minimum)...
I get it. He was really good for like three seasons. - Mahewman
that's pretty much it. He was lights out best in the league for about 3 years. The rest of his career has been pretty average. Plenty of below average seasons, combined wiht a few hot streaks.
Carey Price should have better numbers than Richter, he played in a lower scoring era, and despite that he only advanced past the 2nd round 1 time, in a covid year. No Stanley Cup, only real meaningful wins were on Team Canada which would have won regardless of goalie. I could see how he's not a Hall Of Famer easily than I can make the argument for him to be in.
As a long time Ranger fan I could easily be partial to Richter, but I have to admit, while he had some incredible games, made some unreal saves and brought NY a cup, I think he needs to be up one more level to be hall of fame material.
While there were some years with great people in front of him, there were a few with less than stellar teams and I didn't see him steal games. Just look at what Shesterkin has done already when NY was still getting the team to blend together. He already looks like a HOF goalie.
So Richter, not quite there.
