Analytics is a tool to give you more info and make player assessments. All the peeps in that dept can do is pass on the info they have and possibly give their opinion.

It is up to the GM at that point to listen or go on his own. Clearly he went on his own on pretty much every decision he made. So how much does he listen or even value analytics?

As far as proprietary data, yes they have their own which differs from what is available to the public. RR according to analytics is one of the worst dman in the league for several years now. I cant imagine the Flyers data shows that much if any at all any significant diff otherwise. The GM had a raging boner for RR for years he self admitted. That tunnel vision he displayed has now cost them.

Analytics is not a be all end all in any way. Some of the phantom stats they produce crack me up really.
- hello it's me 2050

Fletcher reported that he doubled the size of the analytics department this year, wouldn't that indicate that he values analytics?

Well, I think its important to be fair here. Every GM, and I mean, every GM would have traded for Ellis last season. We saw what this team looked like with a healthy enough to play Ellis (well I guess now we realize he was never healthy) playing regular shifts. RR is polarizing, but he is not as bad as some on here make him out to be and I think he has more positives than negatives (I still would not have resigned him), and Atkinson was a good hockey trade that really helped the Flyers. Yandle is a complete disaster and will go down as one of Fletcher's worst moves in his entire career. Thompson is a good depth center that is good on faceoffs, good on the PK and heavy to play against. Jones was more than a capable backup, and played really well this year. Seeler was picked up as a depth defenseman and if he was limited to that role would have been fine, unfortunately he was forced to play many more games and minutes than he was ever intended to. So if you look at the off season in an objective way, it was a very good off season for Fletcher, it just didn't work out for a number of reasons, the top 2 being 1. injuries to key players for long periods of time and 2. the team quickly developed a disdain for AV.
- jd250

How did Atkinson help the FLyers this season? Last year they had 58 points in 56 games, this season they have 61 in 81 games? PP went from 19.6% to 11.8%? GF 2.86 to 2.57?

Not every team would have traded for ellis -- he has missed over 20% of total games played throughout his career before this season, turned thirty, and has a long-term deal with a high cap hit. All of those are factors that should have played a role in the decision-making of chuckles, and it seems that they didn't. Ghost, 3 2nds, a 1st, and hagg for rr, and then to double down and give him a 5-year deal shows the utter incompetency of this gm, who you think has the skills to re-tool and rebuild this team into a contender.

I wonder if you are serious with your posts or if you are a troll

Fletcher reported that he doubled the size of the analytics department this year, wouldn't that indicate that he values analytics?
- jd250

one guy in the basement to two guys -- whoopie!

Usually when you remove people that are part of the problem, things get better, not much worse.
- Feanor

How do you know things didn't get better in the locker room or elsewhere?

So clearly you are just going by record. All Cams fault. He had such a horrible year. Trade looks so bad. Jake rules.

Nothing wrong with that trade at all imo. Though you probably disagree I am sure.

Fletcher reported that he doubled the size of the analytics department this year, wouldn't that indicate that he values analytics?
- jd250

Why do you keep going back to this total nonsense. He went form 3 to 5. Wow.


for the 100th time, it doesn't matter how many people work in that dept if he doesn't value/listen to what they do. Why cant you grasp this concept?

Well, I think its important to be fair here. Every GM, and I mean, every GM would have traded for Ellis last season. We saw what this team looked like with a healthy enough to play Ellis (well I guess now we realize he was never healthy) playing regular shifts. RR is polarizing, but he is not as bad as some on here make him out to be and I think he has more positives than negatives (I still would not have resigned him), and Atkinson was a good hockey trade that really helped the Flyers. Yandle is a complete disaster and will go down as one of Fletcher's worst moves in his entire career. Thompson is a good depth center that is good on faceoffs, good on the PK and heavy to play against. Jones was more than a capable backup, and played really well this year. Seeler was picked up as a depth defenseman and if he was limited to that role would have been fine, unfortunately he was forced to play many more games and minutes than he was ever intended to. So if you look at the off season in an objective way, it was a very good off season for Fletcher, it just didn't work out for a number of reasons, the top 2 being 1. injuries to key players for long periods of time and 2. the team quickly developed a disdain for AV.
- jd250

you are an absolute clown. There is no other way to put it.

If every GM would have traded for him then why didnt they get a better package back as Cliff would say?

All of that stuff is kept highly secretive... no one shares proprietary data. One exception: One time, with all the cameras and microphones off, Craig Berube told us that they tracked which defensemen on the team were good/poor at clearing rebounds. Not suprisingly, there was Kimmo Timonen WAY at the top and then everybody else. The best among the "everybody else" at that niche was Nick Grossmann.
- bmeltzer

Leave it to the geniuses in the Flyers front office to track the one number that values Nick Grossmann as their 2nd-best dman

I'm sure they are currently tracking some number that shows MacEwan, Brown and Thompson being elite board pinners or something

How did Atkinson help the FLyers this season? Last year they had 58 points in 56 games, this season they have 61 in 81 games? PP went from 19.6% to 11.8%? GF 2.86 to 2.57?

Not every team would have traded for ellis -- he has missed over 20% of total games played throughout his career before this season, turned thirty, and has a long-term deal with a high cap hit. All of those are factors that should have played a role in the decision-making of chuckles, and it seems that they didn't. Ghost, 3 2nds, a 1st, and hagg for rr, and then to double down and give him a 5-year deal shows the utter incompetency of this gm, who you think has the skills to re-tool and rebuild this team into a contender.

I wonder if you are serious with your posts or if you are a troll
- corduroy

A troll is "a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online posts." I hope no one is offended by my posts or consider them provocative, that is certainly not my intention. I am serious in my opinion of Fletcher's last off season. Jake Voracek has scored a total of 27 goals the past three seasons and only 6 goals this season, while Atkinson scored 23 goals this season alone and would have had more if he didn't get hurt. By my standards, that was a good hockey trade for the Flyers. Ellis had some injuries but nothing like he experienced this season and I don't how any GM would have been able to predict this would happen to him. Anyone who claims otherwise is just relying on hindsight. The price for RR was steep and though I was optimistic earlier in the season, after watching him play it was too high of a price. However RR still did a lot of good things for this team this year and I still believe he can be a really solid player on a good team that is well coached. I had no problem getting out from under Ghost's contract and Hagg is nothing more than a marginal NHL defenseman IMO, in fact I think he was only thrown into the deal to make the cap work.

Why wouldn't they build around Couturier? He is one of the best two-way centers in the league and also a point per game player. Why would he not be part of the solution here?
- jd250

He is not a point per game player you dope.

how many teams that are arguably the worst in the league will/want to build around a 30 years old player with heavy miles on their body? Off of back surgery.

He is not a point per game player you dope.

how many teams that are arguably the worst in the league will/want to build around a 30 years old player with heavy miles on their body? Off of back surgery.
- hello it's me 2050

Coming into this season Couturier was healthy and scored 12 points in his first 10 games, then the back issues started up. In his prior 4 seasons, Couturier averaged .91 points per game, that is basically a point per game player. I respect your opinions and ask you respect mine and refrain from name calling, if you want to continue to have a dialog.

Coming into this season Couturier was healthy and scored 12 points in his first 10 games, then the back issues started up. In his prior 4 seasons, Couturier averaged .91 points per game, that is basically a point per game player. I respect your opinions and ask you respect mine and refrain from name calling, if you want to continue to have a dialog.
- jd250

he is not a point per game player. No matter how you try to spin it. Dope.

Prior 4 seasons he has 252 points. Over projected (82 a season) 328 games that is .76 per game

Bill, what are the chances that Briere is named the GM this off-season and Fletcher focuses on President of Hockey Operations?

I'm sure Comcast is desperate to change the narrative and start a fresh spin on the team, even though the macro direction is going to stay the same (Action Bias, Agressive Retool, etc).
- StepfordSam

Is there anything more "Flyers" than someone failing into a promotion?

Provorov's body of work is sketchy as hell. Almost always possession negative. Very few primary assists for a guy in that role. Regular defensive miscues.

The one thing he does better than most (scoring goals) is way down on the list of things you need from your top dman.
- Tomahawk

Provorov is among the league leaders in Give Aways this season A lot of the names on the list suprised me

Petry
Burns
M.Tkachuk
Drasaitl
Klingberg
Huberdeau
Weegar
Provorov
Heiskanen
Barzal
Dobson
Gaudreau
Letang
Pastranak
Duchene

Are the top 15.

https://www.statmuse.com/...nhl+most+giveaway+leaders

Leave it to the geniuses in the Flyers front office to track the one number that values Nick Grossmann as their 2nd-best dman

I'm sure they are currently tracking some number that shows MacEwan, Brown and Thompson being elite board pinners or something


- Tomahawk

Such a joke. Instead of the 4th line being some combo of Laczynski, Allison, Hodgson and Ratcliffe it'll be Brown, MacEwan and someone like Antoine Roussel.

Is there anything more "Flyers" than someone failing into a promotion?
- matman31

It isnt a promotion. He's been doing both jobs. He would be giving up one of them

Provorov is among the league leaders in Give Aways this season A lot of the names on the list suprised me

Petry
Burns
M.Tkachuk
Drasaitl
Klingberg
Huberdeau
Weegar
Provorov
Heiskanen
Barzal
Dobson
Gaudreau
Letang
Pastranak
Duchene

Are the top 15.

https://www.statmuse.com/...nhl+most+giveaway+leaders
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Guys who tend to carry the puck the most tend to have the most giveaways as well.

A troll is "a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online posts." I hope no one is offended by my posts or consider them provocative, that is certainly not my intention. I am serious in my opinion of Fletcher's last off season. Jake Voracek has scored a total of 27 goals the past three seasons and only 6 goals this season, while Atkinson scored 23 goals this season alone and would have had more if he didn't get hurt. By my standards, that was a good hockey trade for the Flyers. Ellis had some injuries but nothing like he experienced this season and I don't how any GM would have been able to predict this would happen to him. Anyone who claims otherwise is just relying on hindsight. The price for RR was steep and though I was optimistic earlier in the season, after watching him play it was too high of a price. However RR still did a lot of good things for this team this year and I still believe he can be a really solid player on a good team that is well coached. I had no problem getting out from under Ghost's contract and Hagg is nothing more than a marginal NHL defenseman IMO, in fact I think he was only thrown into the deal to make the cap work.
- jd250

I am sure that no one is offended by your posts, in fact, they may actually feel sorry for you as you continue to spew pure orange and black bull crap out of your mouth.

Ryan Ellis has missed 20% of NHL games since he became a regular, that is one out of 5, a minimum of 16 a year on average. He just turned 30, most players, especially ones with injury histories tend to get hurt MORE, not less, after turning 30. He has term and a high cap hit for an oft-injured over 30 d-man. All of those reasons are why Poille took Patrick and Myers to get him off the books. Ghost, hagg and the picks would have been more valuable to the team than 6 years of rr. Ghost Myers, and NAK were jettisoned due to av, the coach who chuckles hired, and then fired 20 games in this season.

You can recite the same crap you have been saying all year long, it doesn't change the fact that chuckles is a poor gm, has done nothing in his career that one would think that he is competent in his job.

Such a joke. Instead of the 4th line being some combo of Laczynski, Allison, Hodgson and Ratcliffe it'll be Brown, MacEwan and someone like Antoine Roussel.
- TobyFlenderson

100%. Jay Beagle. Typical flyers signing after his display in Arizona.

Coming into this season Couturier was healthy and scored 12 points in his first 10 games, then the back issues started up. In his prior 4 seasons, Couturier averaged .91 points per game, that is basically a point per game player. I respect your opinions and ask you respect mine and refrain from name calling, if you want to continue to have a dialog.
- jd250

"basically" is not the same as "as is". It is like saying kevin hayes is a 70 point forward cause he was "on pace" for 70 points one year. You either are or you aren't. I am a coots fan - not a fan of the deal chuckles gave him, but he is not a point per game player

It isnt a promotion. He's been doing both jobs. He would be giving up one of them
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I just don't see how anyone should survive this season in any capacity. This is the absolute worst season in the over 40 years I've been a fan.

I want, no demand, accountability! They have sent me their survey. I will be honest in my responses. They get no more money from me until someone in that organization stands up and demands that people be held accountable for the crap they threw out on the ice night after night.

No but at the end of the day if Provorov wants out, you have to move him. A player that doesnt want to be here is not going to help the team. Same with Sanheim, if you cant sign him you have to trade him
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

When was it said Provorov wanted out??

he is not a point per game player. No matter how you try to spin it. Dope.

Prior 4 seasons he has 252 points. Over projected (82 a season) 328 games that is .76 per game
- hello it's me 2050

In the 4 prior seasons, Couturier played 276 games, not 328 games. I'm done here.

Gene Hart Memorial (Heart, dedication, work ethic): Zack MacEwen



Feanor in shambles.....
- hockeylover

I don’t have an issue with MacEwen. Bringing up NAK in comparison after NAK was claimed off waivers was so weird to me. Aube-Kubel at minimum is a third line player who couldn’t meet expectations here.

How did Atkinson help the FLyers this season? Last year they had 58 points in 56 games, this season they have 61 in 81 games? PP went from 19.6% to 11.8%? GF 2.86 to 2.57?

Not every team would have traded for ellis -- he has missed over 20% of total games played throughout his career before this season, turned thirty, and has a long-term deal with a high cap hit. All of those are factors that should have played a role in the decision-making of chuckles, and it seems that they didn't. Ghost, 3 2nds, a 1st, and hagg for rr, and then to double down and give him a 5-year deal shows the utter incompetency of this gm, who you think has the skills to re-tool and rebuild this team into a contender.

I wonder if you are serious with your posts or if you are a troll
- corduroy

If you don’t think Atkinson was a positive for this team you are clueless

elite board pinners

- Tomahawk

lol!