If you don’t think Atkinson was a positive for this team you are clueless
- black_francis

The trade was at best a wash. The Flyers are worse in every offensive metric with him on the team. Jake did not get along with av, who got canned after 20 games or so

"basically" is not the same as "as is". It is like saying kevin hayes is a 70 point forward cause he was "on pace" for 70 points one year. You either are or you aren't. I am a coots fan - not a fan of the deal chuckles gave him, but he is not a point per game player
- corduroy

The fact is in the 4 seasons before this one Couturier has scored 0.91 points per game. And this season before he got hurt Couturier scores 12 points in 10 games. I'm sorry if these FACTs do not fit your narrative.

A big part of the reason they re-signed Ristolainen (trading off a small cap hit decrease for a longer-term contract and comparable total contract value) was the combined ongoing uncertainty of Ellis' situation, the fact that Braun was going to be moved on at the deadline or otherwise walk via UFA status, the fact that the Yandle stopgap signing was a failure on the ice, that Sanheim is currently one year away from UFA status barring an extension before next season and that Provorov's careeer is at a bit of a crossroads.

I'd be very careful about trading Provorov, BTW. I don't think he's untouchable any longer but he's still a top-pair caliber player with the right partner and is very capable having his best seasons still ahead even if he never does break into the Norris-caliber echelon of NHL defensemen.

That said, I do think it's possible that Provorov gets dealt this summer in a "hockey trade" IF they are confident about locking up Sanheim in an extension. If not, this summer -- NOT the deadlline next year -- would be the time to move Sanheim. If you trade Sanheim, you do NOT trade Provorov.

Glad I'm not the one who has to sort all that out.
- bmeltzer

Do you think, in such a scenario, that York is ready for a top 4 role?

I don’t have an issue with MacEwen.
- SuperSchennBros

Me either.

I don’t have an issue with MacEwen. Bringing up NAK in comparison after NAK was claimed off waivers was so weird to me. Aube-Kubel at minimum is a third line player who couldn’t meet expectations here.
- SuperSchennBros

So you see NAK as 3rd line player or above. That's interesting.

I am sure that no one is offended by your posts, in fact, they may actually feel sorry for you as you continue to spew pure orange and black bull crap out of your mouth.

Ryan Ellis has missed 20% of NHL games since he became a regular, that is one out of 5, a minimum of 16 a year on average. He just turned 30, most players, especially ones with injury histories tend to get hurt MORE, not less, after turning 30. He has term and a high cap hit for an oft-injured over 30 d-man. All of those reasons are why Poille took Patrick and Myers to get him off the books. Ghost, hagg and the picks would have been more valuable to the team than 6 years of rr. Ghost Myers, and NAK were jettisoned due to av, the coach who chuckles hired, and then fired 20 games in this season.

You can recite the same crap you have been saying all year long, it doesn't change the fact that chuckles is a poor gm, has done nothing in his career that one would think that he is competent in his job.
- corduroy

There are many ways to look at events, many different perspectives. Your perspective is based on your hatred of Fletcher and desire for him to get canned. I understand your frustration as a fan and I share it. I try to look at things more objectively, trying my best to ignore my own personal biases. If you and others feel sorry for me because I do this, Ok I guess, but I'm not going apologize for how I try to look at things.

The fact is in the 4 seasons before this one Couturier has scored 0.91 points per game. And this season before he got hurt Couturier scores 12 points in 10 games. I'm sorry if these FACTs do not fit your narrative.
- jd250

facts are he isnt a point per game player. No narrative in any way shape or form.

Over an 82 game schedule he is .76 point per game player.

Do you think, in such a scenario, that York is ready for a top 4 role?
- mikeyo27

I think York is more than ready for a top 4 role, and he proved that time and again this season IMO.

There are many ways to look at events, many different perspectives. Your perspective is based on your hatred of Fletcher and desire for him to get canned. I understand your frustration as a fan and I share it. I try to look at things more objectively, trying my best to ignore my own personal biases. If you and others feel sorry for me because I do this, Ok I guess, but I'm not going apologize for how I try to look at things.
- jd250

beyond laughable. Not to speak for him in any way, not like the results could be a factor in him concluding Chuck sucks. Nah all hatred.

Leave it to the geniuses in the Flyers front office to track the one number that values Nick Grossmann as their 2nd-best dman

I'm sure they are currently tracking some number that shows MacEwan, Brown and Thompson being elite board pinners or something


- Tomahawk

That's the thing, the Flyers analytics department doesn't really help them improve at all. There is a world of difference between what an Eric Tulsky provides as opposed to what Ian Anderson can. One has demonstrated repeatedly that they actually know the game and know what types of data can help improve a team or a player, whereas the other is a seemingly nice guy, who essentially just asks for input as to what data should be tracked and provides it.

The trade was at best a wash. The Flyers are worse in every offensive metric with him on the team. Jake did not get along with av, who got canned after 20 games or so
- corduroy

I would much rather have a player who scores goals and wants to be here than a player who is a turnover machine and is a huge grump. I’ll never miss watching those painful Voracek post game pressers. Go take a Zoloft!

I know there wasn’t much to celebrate for this team but Cam = hope and Jake = hopelessness and as a fan I don’t wanna see that on my team

The fact is in the 4 seasons before this one Couturier has scored 0.91 points per game. And this season before he got hurt Couturier scores 12 points in 10 games. I'm sorry if these FACTs do not fit your narrative.
- jd250

.91 < 1.00

simple math

GP 720
Goals 180
Assists 280
points 460

460 is less than 720 - so FACTUALLY tell me how he averages one point per game played?

When I do the math I get that he averages 0.63888889 points per game played.

Thats a fact Jack!

That's the thing, the Flyers analytics department doesn't really help them improve at all. There is a world of difference between what an Eric Tulsky provides as opposed to what Ian Anderson can. One has demonstrated repeatedly that they actually know the game and know what types of data can help improve a team or a player, whereas the other is a seemingly nice guy, who essentially just asks for input as to what data should be tracked and provides it.
- Flyerfan2868

I’m not sure it’s a fault of the analytics team.

If the men truly in charge don’t value what they say, or ask for data that basically just looks to confirm what they already believe…

.91 < 1.00

simple math

GP 720
Goals 180
Assists 280
points 460

460 is less than 720 - so FACTUALLY tell me how he averages one point per game played?

When I do the math I get that he averages 0.63888889 points per game played.

Thats a fact Jack!
- corduroy

Again, in the past 4 seasons before this one, Couturier played 276 games and scored 252 points, which is 0.91 points per game. This year he was one pace to be over 1 point per game before he got hurt. You can spin it anyway you want but you cannot dispute these facts. I'm done here as well.

Again, in the past 4 seasons before this one, Couturier played 276 games and scored 252 points, which is 0.91 points per game. This year he was one pace to be over 1 point per game before he got hurt. You can spin it anyway you want but you cannot dispute these facts. I'm done here as well.
- jd250

Thing is you have a hard time identifying and accepting what is fact.

He posted facts. What is he spinning?

Hell Ellis was also on pace to be over point per game. Maybe they can extend his contract.

Well, I think its important to be fair here. Every GM, and I mean, every GM would have traded for Ellis last season. We saw what this team looked like with a healthy enough to play Ellis (well I guess now we realize he was never healthy) playing regular shifts. RR is polarizing, but he is not as bad as some on here make him out to be and I think he has more positives than negatives (I still would not have resigned him), and Atkinson was a good hockey trade that really helped the Flyers. Yandle is a complete disaster and will go down as one of Fletcher's worst moves in his entire career. Thompson is a good depth center that is good on faceoffs, good on the PK and heavy to play against. Jones was more than a capable backup, and played really well this year. Seeler was picked up as a depth defenseman and if he was limited to that role would have been fine, unfortunately he was forced to play many more games and minutes than he was ever intended to. So if you look at the off season in an objective way, it was a very good off season for Fletcher, it just didn't work out for a number of reasons, the top 2 being 1. injuries to key players for long periods of time and 2. the team quickly developed a disdain for AV.
- jd250

Except for the guy that traded him for peanuts.

When was it said Provorov wanted out??
- SuperSchennBros

It hasnt, just been speculated due to some frustration between Flyers and Provorov. Just saying thats a possibility.

The trade was at best a wash. The Flyers are worse in every offensive metric with him on the team. Jake did not get along with av, who got canned after 20 games or so
- corduroy

There are over 100 guys in the league with 20 or more goals. Only about a couple dozen with 50+ assists. Jake was the bigger difference maker if we're looking at net impact from a single roster spot.

Cam isnt good on the PP not strong defensively either. And his PK skills didn't exactly elevate that group.

Except for the guy that traded him for peanuts.
- FlyerFan16

Thing is, it looks like Fletcher knew about the issues and decided it was risk worth making. Best case they get the D they need and give up nothing in NoPa and Myers. Worst case he's LTIR for the remainder of his contract. If he cant play again, Capped out teams would love to take those contracts like Tampa took Seabrook. Chicago ended up getting TyJo and 2023 2nd for the dead contract.

Who has been the better player the last 2 years? What one has improved? What one has stayed static?
- hello it's me 2050

Provy was a better d man last year … it wasn’t close. This year I felt that after the coaching change Sanheim started to find a groove and really was the better guy in the last 30-40 games.

Thing is, it looks like Fletcher knew about the issues and decided it was risk worth making. Best case they get the D they need and give up nothing in NoPa and Myers. Worst case he's LTIR for the remainder of his contract. If he cant play again, Capped out teams would love to take those contracts like Tampa took Seabrook. Chicago ended up getting TyJo and 2023 2nd for the dead contract.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

That's not the worst case. The worst case is Ellis plays 50-60% of games each year.

https://twitter.com/Broad...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

have at it peeps.

Jake was a malcontent imo. He was part of the problem.
- hello it's me 2050

It was time for the team and the player to part ways… some like to say Atkinson didn’t make the Flyers better… that might be true… but it’s not like Jake went to Columbus and made them any better either.

It was time for the team and the player to part ways… some like to say Atkinson didn’t make the Flyers better… that might be true… but it’s not like Jake went to Columbus and made them any better either.
- landros 2

While Columbus isn't good, they went from being 8 games under .500 in a shortened season to a .500 hockey team and he was their leading point producer. I think he helped make them better.

While Columbus isn't good, they went from being 8 games under .500 in a shortened season to a .500 hockey team and he was their leading point producer. I think he helped make them better.
- FlyerFan16

Another year Bobby Abreau didn't make the playoffs. Jake isn't guy you win with. For all his production you would think contending teams would be lining up for his services. Yet none are or were.