jd250
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On the other hand, what exactly can Fletcher really do this off-season?
Draft: I have zero confidence with the Flyers scouting and development over the last decade or so. They can draft decent complimentary type roster players in the 1st round, but they always seem to get the same whether it's a high pick, mid round or even late and never anything in a higher echelon. Later rounds are just almost always raw projects that never tend to be more than just callups or never have beens.
UFA: The Flyers have no cap space to even fill a need due to constant and consistent mistakes made in previous years. They almost never take risks on cheap UFAs that end up being overachievers, they stick with dime a dozen specialized players.
Trading: Pretty much the only option, but Fletcher would have to put together a package together, which would most likely be considered overpaying, just to get a player of need if one was even available. He could try to shed some salary, but there's going to be very few takers without some kind of incentive. Best case the Flyers tend to make trades that go in parallel and end up in the same situation anyway.
Coach: Basically the only thing that could make a difference this offseason. Whether Fletcher or another GM, they need to find the right coach/staff that can put together a system that works with what they currently have and overachieve until they have a realistic chance to make more drastic changes to the roster. - Glak18
Both Fletcher and Flahr have a very strong drafting record both in MN and here, so I don't doubt their ability to pick a good player. What I think is fair to question if the organizations ability to develop players. However Fletcher and Briere have acknowledged this so that is a good sign in that they see the problem and are trying to address it. I think if Fletcher can trade JVR the Flyers should be fine cap wise to sign a few veteran players for depth, but beyond this I think it would be wise for Fletcher to avoid hasty moves and give his young players time to develop so he can see what he has. Rome was not built in a day, let's just get healthy and see what we have next season. |
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SuperSchennBros
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Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot! Joined: 09.01.2012
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I need Edmonton, Toronto, New York, Carolina and Calgary. |
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SuperSchennBros
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Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot! Joined: 09.01.2012
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So proud of Giroux, I really hope this team goes all the way. He must be giggling like a schoolgirl that he got out of this cesspool of incompetence. - Glak18
Giroux in my mind looks like the center piece to this Panthers team since being traded there. Itβs pretty remarkable. |
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flyerscup2011
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Location: Future lottery winner Joined: 06.21.2010
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My draft thoughts: (I know no one cares or asked)
1. The devil's should take Cooley and unless he's miraculously on the board at 5 the flyers should trade back to acquire additional draft assets. |
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Sid confirmed out for game 6. - MBFlyerfan
And Game 7 at MSG i presume. Dregger said he was feeling hung over and dizzy π΅ |
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SuperSchennBros
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Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot! Joined: 09.01.2012
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My draft thoughts: (I know no one cares or asked)
1. The devil's should take Cooley and unless he's miraculously on the board at 5 the flyers should trade back to acquire additional draft assets. - flyerscup2011
Whatever makes the team better, my friend. |
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PhillaBully
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 07.20.2010
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Another year of rooting for a ex flyers player to win it all |
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Flyerfan2868
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Location: Edmonton, AB Joined: 02.15.2013
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Both Fletcher and Flahr have a very strong drafting record both in MN and here, so I don't doubt their ability to pick a good player. What I think is fair to question if the organizations ability to develop players. However Fletcher and Briere have acknowledged this so that is a good sign in that they see the problem and are trying to address it. I think if Fletcher can trade JVR the Flyers should be fine cap wise to sign a few veteran players for depth, but beyond this I think it would be wise for Fletcher to avoid hasty moves and give his young players time to develop so he can see what he has. Rome was not built in a day, let's just get healthy and see what we have next season. - jd250
How exactly has Fletcher addressed player development issues? Again, he literally said 2 months ago that he believes they're top 3 in the league in terms of analytics and player development. He stressed they have so many good people in the front office....and there are no changes coming to any of that. Further to that, he's left Lappy installed as the head coach of the Phantoms. Meanwhile, Chuck's saying they need top end talent, but is putting their development in the hands of guy that aligns himself with developing 200 ft 3rd and 4th line players. Do you see how this doesn't really mesh? |
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mr4tno
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Location: PA Joined: 06.29.2017
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Both Fletcher and Flahr have a very strong drafting record both in MN and here, so I don't doubt their ability to pick a good player. What I think is fair to question if the organizations ability to develop players. However Fletcher and Briere have acknowledged this so that is a good sign in that they see the problem and are trying to address it. I think if Fletcher can trade JVR the Flyers should be fine cap wise to sign a few veteran players for depth, but beyond this I think it would be wise for Fletcher to avoid hasty moves and give his young players time to develop so he can see what he has. Rome was not built in a day, let's just get healthy and see what we have next season. - jd250
Please, for the love of god no veteran depth. They already have too many older players. The 4th line should be a development line. |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Unlike you, I pay attention to the entirety of Fletcher's comments, not just a portion of his comments that suit my narrative. To quote
"An aggressive retool to me is being aggressive in *every* area, and I think we already started when we moved 3 quality players at the deadline and we picked up Owen Tippet, a 1st round pick, a 3rd round pick, a 4th round pick, we were able to resign 3 of our unsigned college kids who could have elected for free agency this summer, so its being aggressive in all phases. Certainly part of this is we have to get younger, we have to get more talented, get faster, and then we have to aggressively look at trades and free agency and can we add a couple of players to *supplement* what we have here to make this team better."
Now tell me, how can any Flyer fan disagree with this assessment and approach?? - jd250
Actually we know that your first statement is untrue. Simply because you consistently ignore certain aspects when you post what you think Fletcher is going to do.
How can any Flyers fan agree with Fletcher's performance to this point and trust his decision making in being aggressive in free agency and trades? We have the evidence and the results from that. Which of course you have greenlighted with your stamp of approval on every move.
You seem to lack the ability to decipher hollow comments and being able to reconcile that with actual action and results. |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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he has made some mistakes sure who can argue with that He's also done a fair amount of good things also - jd250
A fair amount?
Gudas for Niskanen. That's about it. |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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How exactly has Fletcher addressed player development issues? Again, he literally said 2 months ago that he believes they're top 3 in the league in terms of analytics and player development. He stressed they have so many good people in the front office....and there are no changes coming to any of that. Further to that, he's left Lappy installed as the head coach of the Phantoms. Meanwhile, Chuck's saying they need top end talent, but is putting their development in the hands of guy that aligns himself with developing 200 ft 3rd and 4th line players. Do you see how this doesn't really mesh? - Flyerfan2868
Bro, the Flyers crack analytic department has provided Fletcher with an age distribution chart.
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Pixote Andolini
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Location: South Philadelphia, PA Joined: 07.23.2007
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Giroux in my mind looks like the center piece to this Panthers team since being traded there. Itβs pretty remarkable. - SuperSchennBros
What a banner series-clinching game Giroux had last night. A solid clutch goal and 2 very good primary assists including setting up the OT winner. |
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Flyerfan2868
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Location: Edmonton, AB Joined: 02.15.2013
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Bro, the Flyers crack analytic department has provided Fletcher with an age distribution chart. - MJL
The funny part is Fletcher actually said.."I believe Ian Anderson can back me up on this" after saying they're tops in the league in development and analytics πππ |
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jd250
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Joined: 01.12.2018
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Actually we know that your first statement is untrue. Simply because you consistently ignore certain aspects when you post what you think Fletcher is going to do.
How can any Flyers fan agree with Fletcher's performance to this point and trust his decision making in being aggressive in free agency and trades? We have the evidence and the results from that. Which of course you have greenlighted with your stamp of approval on every move.
You seem to lack the ability to decipher hollow comments and being able to reconcile that with actual action and results. - MJL
It was a tough season. no doubt about it. Yandle was a disastrous free agent signing, no doubt about it. But you must be fair and look at all the injuries this team had this year. Their top defenseman, their 3 top centers. How many teams can survive this? Look, its a results oriented business and so far in 2 of the 3 seasons Fletcher has been at the helm, its been a complete disaster, so you have a right to be skeptical. All I am saying is it seems to me that Fletcher has been trying to correct he glaring holes in this organization, which existed long before he arrived. This team was a 6th place team if you recall when he arrived with a college coach who once fired took a class on how to be a pro coach, so that should tell you something. Its a make or break off-season for Fletcher whether he wants to admit that or not. He has one more chance to right the ship. If he doesn't I will be right with you in saying he sucks and should be canned. I know you are there. I am not there yet. But you knew Farabee was a super star, I wanted more time to evaluate him. You knew Frost would going to a top 2 center, and I need more time to be convinced. So we'll see how it goes. |
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The funny part is Fletcher actually said.."I believe Ian Anderson can back me up on this" after saying they're tops in the league in development and analytics πππ - Flyerfan2868
Ha ha typical small wiener syndrome π |
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The funny part is Fletcher actually said.."I believe Ian Anderson can back me up on this" after saying they're tops in the league in development and analytics πππ - Flyerfan2868
He was talking about Ian Anderson the flute player for Jethro Tull.
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Trox88
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I do wonder if Kemmel could go before Slafkovsky? I have little doubt Wright and Cooley go in the first 3 picks. |
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jd250
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Joined: 01.12.2018
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Carolina hangs on and wins game 7. They are tough team when they get a lead on you, but a very different team when they can't get the last shift and they get behind. Bruins had a few grade A chances to get back into this game but could not convert.
It seemed clear this was Bergeron's last game. Great player, great career! |
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jd250
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I do wonder if Kemmel could go before Slafkovsky? I have little doubt Wright and Cooley go in the first 3 picks. - Trox88
It really depends if a defenseman is taken in the top 4, RHS defenseman are valuable players. |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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It was a tough season. no doubt about it. Yandle was a disastrous free agent signing, no doubt about it. But you must be fair and look at all the injuries this team had this year. Their top defenseman, their 3 top centers. How many teams can survive this? Look, its a results oriented business and so far in 2 of the 3 seasons Fletcher has been at the helm, its been a complete disaster, so you have a right to be skeptical. All I am saying is it seems to me that Fletcher has been trying to correct he glaring holes in this organization, which existed long before he arrived. This team was a 6th place team if you recall when he arrived with a college coach who once fired took a class on how to be a pro coach, so that should tell you something. Its a make or break off-season for Fletcher whether he wants to admit that or not. He has one more chance to right the ship. If he doesn't I will be right with you in saying he sucks and should be canned. I know you are there. I am not there yet. But you knew Farabee was a super star, I wanted more time to evaluate him. You knew Frost would going to a top 2 center, and I need more time to be convinced. So we'll see how it goes. - jd250
I really think the issue is me as I continue for some reason to waste my time trying to explain something to someone that is impossible to do. You keep going back to the injuries. The injuries were a blessing to this team. If not for injuries, they're a bubble playoff team picking mid round.
He's been trying to correct the glaring holes! LOL. Well lets give him a gold star and participation trophy for trying.
The Flyers were in a better position for the future when Fletcher took over than they are now after 4 years. The only thing that might save him is he was gifted a top 5 pick because the injuries temporarily overcame his incompetence.
The team was more successful under that college coach than they have been since.
You'll be right there with me. LOL. You need to be hit over the head with something. This is what you do. You make half baked and halfed assed flip flops without going all the way admitting what you know to be true. Which is that you are wrong. Which is about 98% of the time.
Then with the hyperbole that I knew Farabee would be a star. No, I have never labeled Farabee a star. What I knew was that he was going to be a good player. You were on the fence. You're always on the fence. Nor did I say that I knew Frost was going to be a top 2 center. Get your facts straight. |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Carolina hangs on and wins game 7. They are tough team when they get a lead on you, but a very different team when they can't get the last shift and they get behind. Bruins had a few grade A chances to get back into this game but could not convert.
It seemed clear this was Bergeron's last game. Great player, great career! - jd250
Carolina didn't hang on. They outplayed Boston all game long. They showed why they're one of the top teams in the league. |
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Trox88
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It really depends if a defenseman is taken in the top 4, RHS defenseman are valuable players. - jd250
That's what I'm thinking. What if Nemec goes to the Devils. Does SEA or AZ jump at Jiricek? Would Slafkovsky slide because he is a winger? Possible. |
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2Real
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Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA Joined: 07.14.2007
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2Real
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Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA Joined: 07.14.2007
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