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Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

May 20 @ 4:49 AM ET
Theo Fox: Johnny Quest A look at the idea posited by Elliotte Friedman and Jeff Marek that Blackhawks captain Jonathan Toews may be a fit with the Bruins.

Plus, key transactional periods coming up in the NHL including windows for buyouts, arbitration, and offer sheets.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

May 20 @ 8:13 AM ET
Thanks Theo - I would think that if Toews is traded it will be closer to the TDL (see Claude Giroux).
I would not be upset if some deals involved only younger players, as they are as good or better than draft picks. My thinking is that they still have notes from past drafts at where guys were slotted, and possibly liked them but didn't get a chance to draft them. I hate to put this kind of pressure on KD, but I think the 2023 draft lottery will decide the fate of his tenure.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 20 @ 8:53 AM ET
How many fans do not want any of the top players traded? Even the ",old" warehouse Toews. Kubalik, I wish Strome, certain dmen - sure, move them out.

There seems to be little improvement or not much greater amount for team's success if Toews is dealt. I do not picture Davidson able to draft top line talent, and even if he does, they wouldn't likely ever play with Toews. Allow Johnnie to play one more season here. We may loose about as much, but should some young guys step into the lineup.- particularly dmen - we could be more competetive.

I will segway to the more important subject, which is how to acquire top line talent. Hopefully through drafting.....but our '23 is not a sure bet to be a generational player. With our own choice or with picks from having traded Kane and or DeBrincat, we do not have a guaranteed tier I prospect we would draft.

You believe we trade Kane or DeBrincat straight up for a top two in 23? What is the point trying to improve if we do not get a center to draft?.Davidson could add many players but for the team to have real hope we would require a top line center. That is, a prospect.¹with ceiling to be a top line center. Do we know we couid draft Bedard or another center with whatever our slot is? If no, then no trade. I don't want quantity if not a Bedard or a very good tier one draft pick. Know that even a tier I "23 pick may not be a center if we draft too late in round one

Maybe some of our prospects on defense develop nicely and one of them goes for a center after the '23 season? Davidson has to hope he can get a center somewhere, somehow because it will take lots of breaks to draft a Bedard. Have to get a good lottery result.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

May 20 @ 9:12 AM ET
It is laughable if you want to keep Kubalik but not Strome
BGKarras
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 06.19.2012

May 20 @ 9:51 AM ET
It is laughable if you want to keep Kubalik but not Strome
- LAHawk

Laughable that some want Murphy as well.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

May 20 @ 10:03 AM ET
What would be the rationale for buying out Khaira? We would incur a cap hit for that for 2 years. Whereas, if we simply waive him at the beginning of next season and then send him to Rockford, we incur 0 cap hit.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 20 @ 10:11 AM ET
How many fans do not want any of the top players traded? Even the ",old" warehouse Toews. Kubalik, I wish Strome, certain dmen - sure, move them out.

There seems to be little improvement or not much greater amount for team's success if Toews is dealt. I do not picture Davidson able to draft top line talent, and even if he does, they wouldn't likely ever play with Toews. Allow Johnnie to play one more season here. We may loose about as much, but should some young guys step into the lineup.- particularly dmen - we could be more competetive.

I will segway to the more important subject, which is how to acquire top line talent. Hopefully through drafting.....but our '23 is not a sure bet to be a generational player. With our own choice or with picks from having traded Kane and or DeBrincat, we do not have a guaranteed tier I prospect we would draft.

You believe we trade Kane or DeBrincat straight up for a top two in 23? What is the point trying to improve if we do not get a center to draft?.Davidson could add many players but for the team to have real hope we would require a top line center. That is, a prospect.¹with ceiling to be a top line center. Do we know we couid draft Bedard or another center with whatever our slot is? If no, then no trade. I don't want quantity if not a Bedard or a very good tier one draft pick. Know that even a tier I "23 pick may not be a center if we draft too late in round one

Maybe some of our prospects on defense develop nicely and one of them goes for a center after the '23 season? Davidson has to hope he can get a center somewhere, somehow because it will take lots of breaks to draft a Bedard. Have to get a good lottery result.

- jhawk59


I get that the Hawks need top six (and top line for that matter) forwards, but the notion that they need some "generational talent" to fill that spot is nonsense. Toews and Bergeron are not generational players. They are very competitive, complete players. They produce well on offense, but do so by being in the right place at the right time with enough skill to either get a quality shot off or cleanly set up a teammate. They don't need Bedard. They just need to build as much talented depth through the lineup as they can.

A strong backline without strong forwards gets you Nashville. A strong forward group without a strong backline gets you EDM/TOR. You need to balance the lineup (and having a killer goalie doesn't hurt) and have everyone buy in to playing together as a group.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 20 @ 10:17 AM ET
What would be the rationale for buying out Khaira? We would incur a cap hit for that for 2 years. Whereas, if we simply waive him at the beginning of next season and then send him to Rockford, we incur 0 cap hit.
- 67hawks


I was thinking the same

Bite the bullet, no point in buying anyone out, not like we're going anywhere next year
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 20 @ 10:20 AM ET
Monohan's decline is no surprise at all:

Starting from the end of the 16-17 season...
Two wrist surgeries - same wrist
Two herniated discs
Groin surgery (still pains me to type that)
Cracked thumb
Right hip surgery
Left hip surgery
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 20 @ 10:20 AM ET
Monohan's decline is no surprise at all:

Starting from the end of the 16-17 season...
Two wrist surgeries - same wrist
Two herniated discs
Groin surgery (still pains me to type that)
Cracked thumb
Right hip surgery
Left hip surgery

- Chunk


Yikes
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 20 @ 10:22 AM ET
I still think Bowman was $hitfaced when he traded for Tyler Johnson. This is the player you save the buy out for, 3 more years at $5 mil per.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

May 20 @ 10:38 AM ET
I still think Bowman was $hitfaced when he traded for Tyler Johnson. This is the player you save the buy out for, 3 more years at $5 mil per.
- BetweenTheDots


Maybe that is why the Hagel return was so surprising?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 20 @ 10:48 AM ET
Maybe that is why the Hagel return was so surprising?
- powerenforcer


I'm thinking it had more to do with KD playing hard to get.
GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: AB
Joined: 01.26.2018

May 20 @ 11:05 AM ET
What would be the rationale for buying out Khaira? We would incur a cap hit for that for 2 years. Whereas, if we simply waive him at the beginning of next season and then send him to Rockford, we incur 0 cap hit.
- 67hawks

Maybe just to shed the contract? I'm not sure how close they are to the 50 contract max. Might need it gone to pursue Euro free agents
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

May 20 @ 11:09 AM ET
I'm thinking it had more to do with KD playing hard to get.
- BetweenTheDots




Hopefully the days of getting fleeced in trades are over to enable this rebuild.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

May 20 @ 11:09 AM ET
I'm thinking it had more to do with KD playing hard to get.
- BetweenTheDots




Hopefully the days of getting fleeced in trades are over to enable this rebuild.
333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

May 20 @ 11:14 AM ET
If Toews gets dealt, I also think it would happen at the TDL. Change of scenery trades like Monahan or Scheifele don't really do much when the theme is rebuilding, aside from hoping that they catch lightning in a bottle and become tradable for picks and prospects at the deadline. Given that Winnipeg was a seller this past season, I don't see them in the mix at the next TDL.

I wonder if Tampa could make it work for Toews at the next TDL. We've joked on here for years about him being a third line center, but that would be almost unfair if they had him as their third center next postseason. The only potential problem I see, aside from the cap hit math, is that Tampa has already traded away a lot of their picks.

Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 20 @ 11:20 AM ET
Maybe just to shed the contract? I'm not sure how close they are to the 50 contract max. Might need it gone to pursue Euro free agents
- GPHawksfan


Shouldn't be an issue. They are at 45 right now. Who knows how many prospects they plan to sign though.
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

May 20 @ 11:28 AM ET
Maybe just to shed the contract? I'm not sure how close they are to the 50 contract max. Might need it gone to pursue Euro free agents
- GPHawksfan

They are currently listed as 45/50. I think at the end of the NHL season the ufa contracts would be subtracted which would be 5 more.

Unless KD has some really big plans I don't think that would be an issue.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/blackhawks
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 20 @ 11:39 AM ET
There are a few teams in just brutal cap situations next year (VGK, MTL, TOR, TB to name some). I'm wondering if KD just trades the rights to Strome and Kubalik to provide even more cap flexibility to take on some expiring contracts with sweeteners (ideally current prospects IMO).

Dadonov
Patches
Killorn
Drouin
Kerfoot/Nylander?
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 20 @ 11:44 AM ET
There are a few teams in just brutal cap situations next year (VGK, MTL, TOR, TB to name some). I'm wondering if KD just trades the rights to Strome and Kubalik to provide even more cap flexibility to take on some expiring contracts with sweeteners (ideally current prospects IMO).

Dadonov
Patches
Killorn
Drouin
Kerfoot/Nylander?

- Chunk


Then again, there is also this...

https://www.nbcsports.com...ow-they-utilize-cap-space
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

May 20 @ 11:45 AM ET
What would be the rationale for buying out Khaira? We would incur a cap hit for that for 2 years. Whereas, if we simply waive him at the beginning of next season and then send him to Rockford, we incur 0 cap hit.
- 67hawks

Good point. I failed to state this in the blog but if Davidson doesn't see Khaira as a fit for what he's building, first try to trade him this offseason. If there are no takers, then one of two options:

1) Send him through waivers and hope he either gets claimed or he passes and is a veteran presence for the Hogs like Connolly was this past season.

2) Buy him out.

It also depends on Davidson's desire for returns on transactions to shed players, i.e. does he want to gain back assets or is it okay to lose a player for nothing and/or eat some salary for a season or more.

Eating salary on a Khaira buyout wouldn't break the bank for the Hawks who aren't in any cap trouble.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 20 @ 11:53 AM ET
Toews for Scheifele is laughable. Come on man
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

May 20 @ 11:58 AM ET
Toews for Scheifele is laughable. Come on man
- hello it's me 2050


From the article:

The above trade proposals may be laughable to Jets and Flames fans alike -- or any other hockey fans for that matter. Yet, Toews to Winnipeg or Calgary may not be out of the realm of possibility either. Each team could benefit with Toews on their roster if the price is right.

GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: AB
Joined: 01.26.2018

May 20 @ 12:07 PM ET
If Toews gets dealt, I also think it would happen at the TDL. Change of scenery trades like Monahan or Scheifele don't really do much when the theme is rebuilding, aside from hoping that they catch lightning in a bottle and become tradable for picks and prospects at the deadline. Given that Winnipeg was a seller this past season, I don't see them in the mix at the next TDL.

I wonder if Tampa could make it work for Toews at the next TDL. We've joked on here for years about him being a third line center, but that would be almost unfair if they had him as their third center next postseason. The only potential problem I see, aside from the cap hit math, is that Tampa has already traded away a lot of their picks.

- 333inthe3rd

I said the same thing of Colorado before. With Kadri pricing himself out of Colorado
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