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Scott1977
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

May 20 @ 9:36 PM ET
Good topic, Theo. Due to the no trade clauses of Kane and Toews we as fans have little idea how this rebuild will play out.

The Toews to BOS idea is a Marek thing. I listen to most of his podcasts and heard him bring this up 4-5 times the first being a couple months ago. But I like how he framed it which he didn't do the episode you heard.

Said what if Toews came to BOS and didn't have the responsibilities/baggage of being captain or mentoring young players? Just came to a talented BOS club and played hockey without any other responsibilities. Just play hockey ... In that context one could sell the idea that Toews could play to his ceiling.

But I can't ever see Toews as a 1C again but who knows. Losing Krejci this yr and Bergeron next is a huge hit. That would leave Haula as their top center and he's not really even a 2C.

Boston may have no choice but to get help at center. UFA's that might fit as a top 6 center are Giroux, Kadri, Trocek, Malkin and Ryan Strome. ........... Toews at 5 mil plus the cost to get him (a 2nd rd pick or Beecher or Lysell?) or Trocek at 6-7 mil, Kadri at 8-9 mil, Strome at 6 mil?

I get the feeling to move Toews, and as always he has to agree, it will be in season but of course it's harder to make the math work then. He'll have to have a fine start to the season, 25 points in 30-35 games, and a Boston type club's attempt to baind aid the center position isn't working so they are near desperate.

But I do think Johnny would waive his NMC to go to the right situation and BOS is a fine organIzation for sure.

- Mr Ricochet
Good points another team or two depending on what happens but the Rangers might be a fit they are really bad at face-offs also Colorado now this if course the playoffs does go well for each team I mentioned. What the return would be is anybodies guess.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

May 20 @ 10:25 PM ET
Good points another team or two depending on what happens but the Rangers might be a fit they are really bad at face-offs also Colorado now this if course the playoffs does go well for each team I mentioned. What the return would be is anybodies guess.
- Scott1977


I believe the return also will be dependent on what kind of extension the team and Toews agrees to. If no extension, I doubt you will get very much for a one year rental.
Scott1977
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

May 20 @ 10:51 PM ET
I believe the return also will be dependent on what kind of extension the team and Toews agrees to. If no extension, I doubt you will get very much for a one year rental.
- LAHawk

Very true
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 20 @ 11:25 PM ET
Where did you have Ivan Miroshnichenko before his diagnosis? Top 10, top 5? This kid goes in the 20's he might be a top line player in 3-4 yrs. But of course there is risk.
- Mr Ricochet


On Jan.22,2022 I had him ahead of Cooley, Savoie, Kemell in the #2 overall slot.
He stayed their at second overall until Feb. 22, 2022.

He looked like the best sniper in the draft. He a bit over 6 foot, 190lbs., but built like a tank when you watch him.
All that goofy trade talk but I didn't write an evaluation on him, and didn't put one up yet, so here goes, just for you, Rico:
A excellent cool under pressure package of finesse and power. In the last three seasons, he has be a fabulous stud of a scorer, and terrific playmaker with good vision and long powerful strides straight ahed, and even better lateral agility on his pins. He captain the Russian U-17 and U-18 in his years, and showed superior stick handling phone booth style and plays like a much better guy, who can bulldoze his way through traffic, and I have seen him while on the wall, make sharp, sudden cuts exploding to the slot, or exploding to incoming loose pucks. Get heavy shots away lighting quick, and accurate. How power play one timer isa beauty and he rates as one of the top three finishers in the draft class.
You do have to wonder if many NHL teams have removed him completely from their draft lists. Corey Pronman says Miroshnichenko has been making positive progress in his fight against Hodgkin’s lymphoma and belief around league is he could still end up being a late day 1 pick or early day 2 pick.


Oh, and the pick value chart was something that fell off a NHL teams draft table when I had access. I am not saying original six team didn't know it suddenly was left behind...
SC116
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 08.29.2015

May 21 @ 9:55 AM ET
Interesting thing about Miroshenko - https://www.sportsnet.ca/...d-with-hodgkins-lymphoma/

If he is actually in Germany undergoing treatment, that changes things a little bit - ok, not for the condition, that's a factor - but yeh sure if he is as hot as you say, Wiz, then I could 100% see someone taking a flyer on him - especially a late first rounder where it's more about taking a flyer on a guy, and it doesn't entirely matter if it turns out because the benefits would far outweigh the risks at that point.

I apoligise for going all in on the geo-political aspect, although it is always going to be a factor with family as well - it is a little different if outside of the country. I put no stock in information provided from the country of origin, but am going on that being as according a report passed along by Sportsnet. I do, though, imagine that if there is any question about this guy actually being in Germany then that doesn't really change what team might be willing to take a risk with potentially getting nothing from their pick. It maybe being a bit different for someone still in Russia itself, when it comes to the draft. Anyone in that category is a way different category of risk for teams.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

May 21 @ 10:48 AM ET
On Jan.22,2022 I had him ahead of Cooley, Savoie, Kemell in the #2 overall slot.
He stayed their at second overall until Feb. 22, 2022.

He looked like the best sniper in the draft. He a bit over 6 foot, 190lbs., but built like a tank when you watch him.
All that goofy trade talk but I didn't write an evaluation on him, and didn't put one up yet, so here goes, just for you, Rico:
A excellent cool under pressure package of finesse and power. In the last three seasons, he has be a fabulous stud of a scorer, and terrific playmaker with good vision and long powerful strides straight ahed, and even better lateral agility on his pins. He captain the Russian U-17 and U-18 in his years, and showed superior stick handling phone booth style and plays like a much better guy, who can bulldoze his way through traffic, and I have seen him while on the wall, make sharp, sudden cuts exploding to the slot, or exploding to incoming loose pucks. Get heavy shots away lighting quick, and accurate. How power play one timer isa beauty and he rates as one of the top three finishers in the draft class.
You do have to wonder if many NHL teams have removed him completely from their draft lists. Corey Pronman says Miroshnichenko has been making positive progress in his fight against Hodgkin’s lymphoma and belief around league is he could still end up being a late day 1 pick or early day 2 pick.


Oh, and the pick value chart was something that fell off a NHL teams draft table when I had access. I am not saying original six team didn't know it suddenly was left behind...

- wiz1901


You Da Man, Wiz......... No doubt Miroshnichenko is an interesting player/situation. 5 yrs from now he could be a difference making NHL all-star taken late in rd 1. But of course there comes risk. Can't swing on the top 2-3 talent in the top 10 but a ate 1st is probably where he goes.

Before covid he was going to Muskegon of the USHL and go head to head with Fantilli of Chicago. Fans really got robbed.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

May 21 @ 11:36 AM ET
This pretty well sums up the Hawks to-do list this summer.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...chicago-blackhawks-2.html

1. Find a coach
2. Settle on a couple of goalies
3. What to do with Kane and Toews
4. Trade some other pieces
4. RFA decisions regarding Strome and Kubalik
5, Extend Debrincat


DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

May 21 @ 1:23 PM ET
This pretty well sums up the Hawks to-do list this summer.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...chicago-blackhawks-2.html

1. Find a coach
2. Settle on a couple of goalies
3. What to do with Kane and Toews
4. Trade some other pieces
4. RFA decisions regarding Strome and Kubalik
5, Extend Debrincat

- boilermaker100



1. Rick Bowness
2. Kahkonen (via trade), Comrie (UFA)
3. Re-sign Kane, trade Toews
4. Trade Murphy or McCabe, trade T Johnson (if possible)
5. Re-sign Strome ($4 x 4), trade Kubalik (for Kahkonen)
6. $9.5 x 8
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

May 21 @ 1:46 PM ET
1. Rick Bowness
2. Kahkonen (via trade), Comrie (UFA)
3. Re-sign Kane, trade Toews
4. Trade Murphy or McCabe, trade T Johnson (if possible)
5. Re-sign Strome ($4 x 4), trade Kubalik (for Kahkonen)
6. $9.5 x 8

- DarthKane


1. Think Bowness want to retire. He's 67.
2. One of many possible duos.
3. Both stay. Kane eventually extends. Toews retires.
4. I'd be happy if one of those trades occur.
5. Agree about Strome term and salary. Hopefully Kubalik traded for more than a bag of pucks.
6. Sounds about right.




Scott1977
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

May 21 @ 2:14 PM ET
1. Rick Bowness
2. Kahkonen (via trade), Comrie (UFA)
3. Re-sign Kane, trade Toews
4. Trade Murphy or McCabe, trade T Johnson (if possible)
5. Re-sign Strome ($4 x 4), trade Kubalik (for Kahkonen)
6. $9.5 x 8

- DarthKane

Agree but then if those things happen then hawks are not doing a rebuild just a retool on the fly imo.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

May 21 @ 2:22 PM ET
1. Think Bowness want to retire. He's 67.
2. One of many possible duos.
3. Both stay. Kane eventually extends. Toews retires.
4. I'd be happy if one of those trades occur.
5. Agree about Strome term and salary. Hopefully Kubalik traded for more than a bag of pucks.
6. Sounds about right.

- boilermaker100


What is the date that Kane, Toews and Cat are eligible to sign an extension?
wizardofi
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Maple Ridge, BC
Joined: 04.17.2011

May 21 @ 2:24 PM ET
1. Think Bowness want to retire. He's 67.
2. One of many possible duos.
3. Both stay. Kane eventually extends. Toews retires.
4. I'd be happy if one of those trades occur.
5. Agree about Strome term and salary. Hopefully Kubalik traded for more than a bag of pucks.
6. Sounds about right.

- boilermaker100


Bowness has said he's not retiring
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

May 21 @ 2:38 PM ET
What is the date that Kane, Toews and Cat are eligible to sign an extension?
- mohel


The "league year" used to start on July 1. I think it's been pushed back several days , so around July 10-13.
Lauerg
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 04.29.2021

May 21 @ 3:03 PM ET
This pretty well sums up the Hawks to-do list this summer.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...chicago-blackhawks-2.html

1. Find a coach
2. Settle on a couple of goalies
3. What to do with Kane and Toews
4. Trade some other pieces
4. RFA decisions regarding Strome and Kubalik
5, Extend Debrincat

- boilermaker100

My list for possible coaches: Tocchet or Maurice , Julian , and Boudreau .
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

May 21 @ 3:05 PM ET
1. Think Bowness want to retire. He's 67.
2. One of many possible duos.
3. Both stay. Kane eventually extends. Toews retires.
4. I'd be happy if one of those trades occur.
5. Agree about Strome term and salary. Hopefully Kubalik traded for more than a bag of pucks.
6. Sounds about right.

- boilermaker100



I don’t know how much value Kubalik has. He’s had 2 sub-par season in a row, although he finished a bit stronger with 11 points in his last 16 games.

KD tried to get Kahkonen from Minny in the Fleury deal but he has already be dealt to SJ. I think he’d be worth a shot, even for Kubalik.

An interest rumour I saw online (if its online it must be true) was Kubalik to Anaheim for former 2nd round pick in 2020 Sam Colangelo. This would be an interesting option, but I’d rather see KD use Kubalik used to acquire a goaltender.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

May 21 @ 3:10 PM ET
My list for possible coaches: Tocchet or Maurice , Julian , and Boudreau .
- Lauerg



Bruce “There it is” Boudreau is staying in Vancouver for another year.

Tocchet would be a good choice, he’d make sure the team works hard.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

May 21 @ 3:12 PM ET
1. Rick Bowness
2. Kahkonen (via trade), Comrie (UFA)
3. Re-sign Kane, trade Toews
4. Trade Murphy or McCabe, trade T Johnson (if possible)
5. Re-sign Strome ($4 x 4), trade Kubalik (for Kahkonen)
6. $9.5 x 8

- DarthKane

Two goalies off the table: Korpisalo re-signed with the Jackets a few days ago while Koskinen is rumored to sign in Switzerland.
Angotti
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

May 21 @ 3:17 PM ET
Bruce “There it is” Boudreau is staying in Vancouver for another year.

Tocchet would be a good choice, he’d make sure the team works hard.

- DarthKane

I would be good with that as well, would not be surprised if he ends up as Hawks coach, but hey, according to my wife I’m wrong all the time.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

May 21 @ 3:44 PM ET
I don’t know how much value Kubalik has. He’s had 2 sub-par season in a row, although he finished a bit stronger with 11 points in his last 16 games.

KD tried to get Kahkonen from Minny in the Fleury deal but he has already be dealt to SJ. I think he’d be worth a shot, even for Kubalik.

An interest rumour I saw online (if its online it must be true) was Kubalik to Anaheim for former 2nd round pick in 2020 Sam Colangelo. This would be an interesting option, but I’d rather see KD use Kubalik used to acquire a goaltender.

- DarthKane

If the Hawks could trade Kubalik for Colangelo (scoring power winger), I would go for it.

If not Colangelo, I would ask for any of these prospects not named Mason McTavish or Jacob Perreault who the Ducks wouldn't give up unless for an elite player:

* Sasha Pastujov (competitive, smart scorer who can snuff out pucks)
* Brayden Tracey (secondary scorer who complements top players)
* Olen Zellweger (offensive D-man catalyst but smart defensively, too)
* Jackson Lacombe (excellent skater who can move the puck up and out and has an active stick)
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

May 21 @ 4:07 PM ET
Two goalies off the table: Korpisalo re-signed with the Jackets a few days ago while Koskinen is rumored to sign in Switzerland.
- Theo Fox


I’m surprised the Jackets re-signed Korpisalo after the year he had. The Hawks should stay far away from Koskinen.

This year’s class of UFA goalies isn’t impressive, I’d rather KD acquire a netminder (for a reasonable price) via trade. Kahkonen or one of the 2 Washington goalies would be fine, then KD can sign a veteran UFA goalie to a 1 year deal as the back-up.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

May 21 @ 7:33 PM ET
I would be good with that as well, would not be surprised if he ends up as Hawks coach, but hey, according to my wife I’m wrong all the time.
- Angotti


She's a wise woman, Lou.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

May 21 @ 8:19 PM ET
I don’t know how much value Kubalik has. He’s had 2 sub-par season in a row, although he finished a bit stronger with 11 points in his last 16 games.

KD tried to get Kahkonen from Minny in the Fleury deal but he has already be dealt to SJ. I think he’d be worth a shot, even for Kubalik.

An interest rumour I saw online (if its online it must be true) was Kubalik to Anaheim for former 2nd round pick in 2020 Sam Colangelo. This would be an interesting option, but I’d rather see KD use Kubalik used to acquire a goaltender.

- DarthKane


Why waste a trade on a goalie when you can sign Lanks cheap, and find a UFA to sign for a season. There are enough out there to pick from.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 21 @ 8:22 PM ET
They are going to destroy Girard in this series.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

May 21 @ 8:51 PM ET
Bruce “There it is” Boudreau is staying in Vancouver for another year.

Tocchet would be a good choice, he’d make sure the team works hard.

- DarthKane



Or else, doesn’t he have alleged ties with the Bruno Scarfo family, and avoided jail in that gambling ring that involved Gretzky’s wife? Wonder if Lazarus would bring that up.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

May 21 @ 9:04 PM ET
I think the Rangers could be in on Toews in the summer (provided they eat half). We def have prospects to send that way. There was some rumors around the time of the Kyle Beach situation of the Rangers being interested

Faceoffs are killing them right now, and who better to get then Toews
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