Out:

Shanny
Dubas
Keefe
Nylander
Kerfoot
Campbell
Holl
Kase
Giordano
Spezza
Engvall
Clifford
Mrazek


Potentially in:

Darcy Tucker (Pres)
Sundin (GM)
Trotz (coach)
Forsberg
Kadri
Palat
Chychrun
Kempny
Stolarz
Kuemper
Trochek
B.Ritchie
Konecny
Wilson
Deslauriers

If any of the prospects that either don’t want to sign right away, or are taking too long to develop need to moved. Sorry Amirov, Knies, Woll etc..

This is just a template for the type of team I’d try to build. Every single player has to bring it every single shift. The coach, GM, and Pres all would have a ton of command.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Holy (frank)

Holy (frank)

- .HOHO.

That team would kick ass, and you know it.

The Leafs are out. It’s a little early in the day (the 2023 season) to be anything but imaginative.

This is just the type of team I’d try to build. Bring in players that won’t take a shift off, and management that has balls.

Out:

Shanny💙
Dubas
Keefe
Nylander
Kerfoot
Campbell
Holl💙
Kase💙
Giordano
Spezza
Engvall
Clifford
Mrazek💙


Potentially in:

Darcy Tucker (Pres)
Sundin (GM)
Trotz (coach)
Forsberg💙
Kadri💙
Palat
Chychrun💙
Kempny
Stolarz
Kuemper
Trochek
B.Ritchie
Konecny 💙
Wilson💙
Deslauriers

If any of the prospects that either don’t want to sign right away, or are taking too long to develop need to moved. Sorry Amirov, Knies, Woll etc..

This is just a template for the type of team I’d try to build. Every single player has to bring it every single shift. The coach, GM, and Pres all would have a ton of command.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Are you 12 years old? Serious question.
- gravyface

Serious question

[quote=mr.sir]
We need some of that late 90’s to mid-2000’s swagger back.

Tucker is actually a smart guy, but he’d probably rather just golf and live in Muskoka for the rest of his days.

That team would kick ass, and you know it.

The Leafs are out. It’s a little early in the day (the 2023 season) to be anything but imaginative.

This is just the type of team I’d try to build. Bring in players that won’t take a shift off, and management that has balls.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Ok, riddle me this Batman…..

How the (frank) do you know Tucker and Sundin would be good Pres. and GM?
How the (frank) are you getting those players?

Stupid pipe dream post.

Ok, riddle me this Batman…..

How the (frank) do you know Tucker and Sundin would be good Pres. and GM?
How the (frank) are you getting those players?

Stupid pipe dream post.
- .HOHO.

So, you actually can’t read?

Is that what you’re telling me?

My God.



If you’d spend less time trying to attack me like the rest of the flakies, maybe you’d be capable of understanding what I said.

Maybe some day, hat boy.

Serious question


- Arctic_AARDVARK

Yeah well your list reads like a 12-year old with a controller in his hand, building a 0% chance team. I mean, I don't even think GM Mode would approve any of those moves.

Yeah well your list reads like a 12-year old with a controller in his hand, building a 0% chance team. I mean, I don't even think GM Mode would approve any of those moves.
- gravyface

Another non-reader in here 🤦🏻‍♂️

Jesus Murphy.

Is it the word “template” you both struggle with?

I’m not gonna lie, a big reason I still come here is because I know I’ll be attacked, and I’ve got all the time in the world to watch you’s fall flat on your face, then turn to childish insults.

You’s then whine about me into the wee hours of the morning.

It’s incredible


I’d rather just talk about hockey tho, fwiw.

If any of the prospects that either don’t want to sign right away, or are taking too long to develop need to moved. Sorry Amirov, Knies, Woll etc..

- Arctic_AARDVARK

This is how you end up losing Verhaghe or Marchment but at least you're committed to a plan so I applaud you for that.

I’m not gonna lie, a big reason I still come here is because I know I’ll be attacked, and I’ve got all the time in the world to watch you’s fall flat on your face, then turn to childish insults.

You’s then whine about me into the wee hours of the morning.

It’s incredible


I’d rather just talk about hockey tho, fwiw.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I'd discuss hockey but I don't think you're reasonable about it. You tend to make a point and not listen to any other points and continually shove yours down others throats. There's no discourse with you, it's either agree with you or you laugh at them.

If you truly wanted to talk hockey you'd consider others views and maybe come to a compromise on things.

With that said, you're welcome to your dream scenario.

This is how you end up losing Verhaghe or Marchment but at least you're committed to a plan so I applaud you for that.
- Aaron_85

I didn’t say trade every AHL player you have, or give up on them..

But if the Leafs are willing to give you a roster spot, and you decide you don’t want it, then move him. As for Amirov, it’s not his fault and I wish him all the best but at this point he’s likely to miss out on a lot of development, and it’s not looking like a pick that’ll end up helping the Leafs.

I would’ve never traded Marchment.

I'd discuss hockey but I don't think you're reasonable about it. You tend to make a point and not listen to any other points and continually shove yours down others throats. There's no discourse with you, it's either agree with you or you laugh at them.

If you truly wanted to talk hockey you'd consider others views and maybe come to a compromise on things.

With that said, you're welcome to your dream scenario.
- Aaron_85

I think you’re wrong.

Were you guys considerate of my views? Or was it two immediate attacks on me?

Don’t chicken and eggs this.

I think you’re wrong.

Were you guys considerate of my views? Or was it two immediate attacks on me?

Don’t chicken and eggs this.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I don't really care how others respond to you, which doesn't make their responses reasonable either. This is how I've seen you post continuously.

You want a wholesale change of a team that is unheard of in an off season of sports so I don't know how you think it's realistic.

I didn’t say trade every AHL player you have, or give up on them..

But if the Leafs are willing to give you a roster spot, and you decide you don’t want it, then move him. As for Amirov, it’s not his fault and I wish him all the best but at this point he’s likely to miss out on a lot of development, and it’s not looking like a pick that’ll end up helping the Leafs.

I would’ve never traded Marchment.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

You said "get rid of every player taking too long to develop." You didn't give a definition so I'm left to guess at what you mean. Please be more clear when making vague statements.

Marchment didn't play major junior hockey until age 19, was undrafted until signed to the Marlies in 2015/16. Gets traded in 2020 to the Panthers. Doesn't make the main roster until 2021/22 as a 27 year old. He has 91 NHL games and 54 of them came this year. I think you're backpedaling on your statement of "taking too long to develop" as this would definitely fall into that. You don't want to give Amirov a chance because "it might be too long" but 7 years isn't for the guy you like? You're talking out of two sides of your mouth and showing you simply dislike the current management and players over actual facts.

I don't really care how others respond to you, which doesn't make their responses reasonable either. This is how I've seen you post continuously.

You want a wholesale change of a team that is unheard of in an off season of sports so I don't know how you think it's realistic.
- Aaron_85

Yeah.

I want wholesale change in a lot of things. Politics, the Leafs, other things lol.

That’s how I operate. I don’t ever expect it to happen, but it shouldn’t stop me (or anyone) from speaking their minds.

Look man, there’s a handful of posters in here who just went too far, and you can’t expect me to ever have a normal conversation with them. They straight up broke the law, and HB knows about it.

But I don’t want beef with the rest of you. The problem is, those who went too far are a noisy bunch and the rest of you tend to pile on. I never respond to my haters.

Idk what else we’re supposed to talk about if it isn’t about the roster construction of the Leafs. I plainly stated from the get-go that it’s just a template. Those are the players I’d try to move, and the rest are the type of players I’d try to get.

There’s nothing to blow out of proportion here. But that’s not the point is it? Maybe I’m the ONLY one who wants to talk about hockey, and everyone else just wants to fill some void in their lives by being internet bullies.

You said "get rid of every player taking too long to develop." You didn't give a definition so I'm left to guess at what you mean. Please be more clear when making vague statements.

Marchment didn't play major junior hockey until age 19, was undrafted until signed to the Marlies in 2015/16. Gets traded in 2020 to the Panthers. Doesn't make the main roster until 2021/22 as a 27 year old. He has 91 NHL games and 54 of them came this year. I think you're backpedaling on your statement of "taking too long to develop" as this would definitely fall into that. You don't want to give Amirov a chance because "it might be too long" but 7 years isn't for the guy you like? You're talking out of two sides of your mouth and showing you simply dislike the current management and players over actual facts.
- Aaron_85

I gave examples.

I’ve always like Marchment and didn’t think the Leafs gave him a fair shot. Hence why he isn’t someone I would’ve moved.

Amirov isn’t tracking towards being an NHL player.

One guy was undrafted, the other cost a 1st rd pick. MASSIVE false equivalency on your part.

Yeah.

I want wholesale change in a lot of things. Politics, the Leafs, other things lol.

That’s how I operate. I don’t ever expect it to happen, but it shouldn’t stop me (or anyone) from speaking their minds.

Look man, there’s a handful of posters in here who just went too far, and you can’t expect me to ever have a normal conversation with them. They straight up broke the law, and HB knows about it.

But I don’t want beef with the rest of you. The problem is, those who went too far are a noisy bunch and the rest of you tend to pile on. I never respond to my haters.

Idk what else we’re supposed to talk about if it isn’t about the roster construction of the Leafs. I plainly stated from the get-go that it’s just a template. Those are the players I’d try to move, and the rest are the type of players I’d try to get.

There’s nothing to blow out of proportion here. But that’s not the point is it? Maybe I’m the ONLY one who wants to talk about hockey, and everyone else just wants to fill some void in their lives by being internet bullies.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Again, I don't care how you and other posters interact. You're all adults, I believe you should all ignore each other. I am not commenting on law breaking or anything, you can take that up with the police.

I have not treated you this way so don't get your back up here with me.

Sure, as I said, you're welcome to your dream "scorched earth" take as I said in an earlier post. I wasn't hating, I was being honest, you're welcome to it. I don't agree with it and I try to make realistic approaches based on the information I have available to me. Which to be fair, is a pittance as I'm confident there's so much going on we aren't privy too.

I gave examples.

I’ve always like Marchment and didn’t think the Leafs gave him a fair shot. Hence why he isn’t someone I would’ve moved.

Amirov isn’t tracking towards being an NHL player.

One guy was undrafted, the other cost a 1st rd pick. MASSIVE false equivalency on your part.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

It isn't. Amirov cost a first round pick but he has a medical issue. You're suggesting here that it was a waste when it couldn't be predicted of his medical issue. It's plain bad luck. Also, on the humanity side of things, I don't think you can trade him now with the bad PR. Maybe after he clears treatment and can resume his career but right now it would look SO bad on the team. Also, you and I can't say if he is tracking or not tracking towards being a player because of his illness. He is just in the shadows until further information on his treatment is given.

I still think you're simply hating on certain guys drafted by the management you dislike. 7 years before he made a roster. That's 2 years since his trade and he never got a sniff with the Panthers for TWO years. I don't think the leafs didn't give him a fair shot, I think he literally took 7 years to develop, which by your definition you would have given up on him. You only said "Get rid of all the guys taking too long to develop". You didn't put a set number of years, you didn't say who are making progress, you left it at a general statement and I would think someone suggesting that would put 7 years as too long.

But hey, you're welcome to your opinion. I'm welcome to mine too. Neither is right or wrong most likely.

At any rate, I do not think this team needs what you suggest. This is a good team and this is the gut check time for management if they truly believe in their plan. Window is open right now and I don't see massively changing that plan would be ideal. I would see it as you do, a management overhaul to get that done over an 18 month period and maybe longer.

BUT since the management isn't being overturned it isn't happening so the realistic approach for me is to look to re-sign the right UFA's, RFA's and look for options in free agency to shore things up. I do think a different set of wingers for JT would be needed. I'd be open to moving Nylander for something like a JT Miller player.

Again, I don't care how you and other posters interact. You're all adults, I believe you should all ignore each other. I am not commenting on law breaking or anything, you can take that up with the police.

I have not treated you this way so don't get your back up here with me.

Sure, as I said, you're welcome to your dream "scorched earth" take as I said in an earlier post. I wasn't hating, I was being honest, you're welcome to it. I don't agree with it and I try to make realistic approaches based on the information I have available to me. Which to be fair, is a pittance as I'm confident there's so much going on we aren't privy too.
- Aaron_85

Fair enough. And it’s been documented.

I don’t have my back up with you, so don’t take it that way. But you wanted context, so I provided it.

This is a good example tho of how quickly things can get derailed when people have a grudge against you. I just tried starting a convo (I’m line with the topic of the thread) that we could all discuss, share ideas, and PERHAPS come to some kind of agreement.

You’s could have said, “maybe I wouldn’t move player X, but maybe this player instead.” Just a suggestion.

I gave examples.

I’ve always like Marchment and didn’t think the Leafs gave him a fair shot. Hence why he isn’t someone I would’ve moved.

Amirov isn’t tracking towards being an NHL player.

One guy was undrafted, the other cost a 1st rd pick. MASSIVE false equivalency on your part.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

But I'm off. Have a good day.

It isn't. Amirov cost a first round pick but he has a medical issue. You're suggesting here that it was a waste when it couldn't be predicted of his medical issue. It's plain bad luck. Also, on the humanity side of things, I don't think you can trade him now with the bad PR. Maybe after he clears treatment and can resume his career but right now it would look SO bad on the team. Also, you and I can't say if he is tracking or not tracking towards being a player because of his illness. He is just in the shadows until further information on his treatment is given.

I still think you're simply hating on certain guys drafted by the management you dislike. 7 years before he made a roster. That's 2 years since his trade and he never got a sniff with the Panthers for TWO years. I don't think the leafs didn't give him a fair shot, I think he literally took 7 years to develop, which by your definition you would have given up on him. You only said "Get rid of all the guys taking too long to develop". You didn't put a set number of years, you didn't say who are making progress, you left it at a general statement and I would think someone suggesting that would put 7 years as too long.

But hey, you're welcome to your opinion. I'm welcome to mine too. Neither is right or wrong most likely.

At any rate, I do not think this team needs what you suggest. This is a good team and this is the gut check time for management if they truly believe in their plan. Window is open right now and I don't see massively changing that plan would be ideal. I would see it as you do, a management overhaul to get that done over an 18 month period and maybe longer.

BUT since the management isn't being overturned it isn't happening so the realistic approach for me is to look to re-sign the right UFA's, RFA's and look for options in free agency to shore things up. I do think a different set of wingers for JT would be needed. I'd be open to moving Nylander for something like a JT Miller player.
- Aaron_85

Hindsight is 20/20, but I did say they should’ve drafted Schneider, who’s now playing NHL games. Never even heard of Amirov til he was drafted. So yeah, I hated that pick from the get-go.

I try to be a counter-balance for all the fans who think Dubas can do no wrong. Everyone gets so hot and horny over every pick he makes. ohhhh Topi Neimela and Roni Hiroven are studs! Lol. I’m trying to be rational believe it or not. Have any panned out yet? Sandin I guess?

Another thing is I don’t believe in these arbitrary timelines for how long it would take new management to get things up to speed. I think it would happen immediately. There would be no step backwards. Maybe less regular season success, and more focus on building a playoffs style hockey team.

But I'm off. Have a good day.

- Aaron_85

Peace.

Are you 12 years old? Serious question.
- gravyface

I'm shocked. Imho this is possibly his best post ever.