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Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

May 21 @ 10:29 PM ET
Just because Zucker has a bad contract doesn't mean we need to overpay Rackell. Don't get me wrong, at $4M you could do worse but there are to be this illusion that he is better than he is.

Beyond one really good season he has been fairly mediocre. Hasn't scored 20 goals in 4 years. Struggles to stay healthy. Hasn't proven himself in the playoffs. I get it, he flashes some skill but there are a lot of other options out there that can put up about 40-50 points.

- MacPatty

If that were true why do we never get them?
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 21 @ 10:29 PM ET
Just because Zucker has a bad contract doesn't mean we need to overpay Rackell. Don't get me wrong, at $4M you could do worse but there are to be this illusion that he is better than he is.

Beyond one really good season he has been fairly mediocre. Hasn't scored 20 goals in 4 years. Struggles to stay healthy. Hasn't proven himself in the playoffs. I get it, he flashes some skill but there are a lot of other options out there that can put up about 40-50 points.

- MacPatty


I think Rakell is a very good passenger, so being stuck on team like ANA the last few years probably had him floating around, going with the flow on a mediocre team. Game 7 aside, because he clearly wasn't ready to play, he was noticeable each and every game since the trade. He looks like a player who's been reinvigorated on a team that gives him a chance to win.


Pags
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Stony Point, NY
Joined: 10.06.2007

May 21 @ 10:30 PM ET
Just (frank)ed around on capfriendly for a bit and this Rust deal takes a lot of pressure off of us that we may be able to pull everything off. With Rust’s deal, Malkin signed to $7.1 mil, and Letang signed to $8.5 mil, you can sign Rakell to $5 mil and have $3.5 mil for three vacant roster spots (two forwards and a goalie) before any trades. Basically all we have to do is trade one D man and we can make it all work.
- Victoro311
Lol, I just did the same. Gave Geno the rumored 6.67, Letang 8.5, Rakell 5, Heinen/Erod 1.5 each, let Kap walk, traded Zuck for a late 2nd, traded Dumo for 2 2nds, signed MAF for 2@2, and the one bit of wishful thinking...signed Nichushkin 6 years at 5 per. Had almost a million left.
Pags
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Stony Point, NY
Joined: 10.06.2007

May 21 @ 10:35 PM ET
Just because Zucker has a bad contract doesn't mean we need to overpay Rackell. Don't get me wrong, at $4M you could do worse but there are to be this illusion that he is better than he is.

Beyond one really good season he has been fairly mediocre. Hasn't scored 20 goals in 4 years. Struggles to stay healthy. Hasn't proven himself in the playoffs. I get it, he flashes some skill but there are a lot of other options out there that can put up about 40-50 points.

- MacPatty
Rakell looked great with Geno, played physical, was tough on the boards, was a net front guy and never hesitated to shoot. He's 29 and just made 3.8. Show me some available names that bring all that and that you know can play with Geno for less than 5 a year...
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

May 21 @ 10:36 PM ET
Lol, I just did the same. Gave Geno the rumored 6.67, Letang 8.5, Rakell 5, Heinen/Erod 1.5 each, let Kap walk, traded Zuck for a late 2nd, traded Dumo for 2 2nds, signed MAF for 2@2, and the one bit of wishful thinking...signed Nichushkin 6 years at 5 per. Had almost a million left.
- Pags

Dude no lie I was about to ask what everyone on here thought Nichushkin was going to get in free agency. Would absolutely love him here. Would add lots of size too. A line of him, Malkin, and Rackell would be hard to play against.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 21 @ 10:44 PM ET
Dude no lie I was about to ask what everyone on here thought Nichushkin was going to get in free agency. Would absolutely love him here. Would add lots of size too. A line of him, Malkin, and Rackell would be hard to play against.
- Victoro311


I literally created this AGM like ten minutes ago lol


https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/3269660
Pags
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Stony Point, NY
Joined: 10.06.2007

May 21 @ 10:47 PM ET
Dude no lie I was about to ask what everyone on here thought Nichushkin was going to get in free agency. Would absolutely love him here. Would add lots of size too. A line of him, Malkin, and Rackell would be hard to play against.
- Victoro311
Honestly I don't even know if he goes anywhere...all depends on who the Avs choose to keep between him, Kadri, Burakovsky, Lehkonen, Kuemper and Manson. They only have 25.5 in space so they can't keep them all. Nich only made 2.8 this year but he's still only 27 and was nearly a PPG so I could see him easily get 7+ from someone. I was using the imaginary 'take less to play with Sid/Geno" discount lol
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

May 21 @ 10:51 PM ET
I don't know that Hex Burke are as ready us most of us to move on from Dumo... Hope I'm wrong...
Pags
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Stony Point, NY
Joined: 10.06.2007

May 21 @ 10:51 PM ET
I literally created this AGM like ten minutes ago lol


https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/3269660

- Rinosaur
I'm a better G.M., Seattle gave me Florida's 2nd for Zucker
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

May 21 @ 10:54 PM ET
I don't know that Hex Burke are as ready us most of us to move on from Dumo... Hope I'm wrong...
- MattStrat

I think it comes down to what Sullivan thinks right now. Hex and Burke didn’t sign Dumo, but Sullivan seems really attached to him and deadest that he’s still a top pairing guy. Hex doesn’t strike me as the kind a guy that would money puck his coach. Maybe that’s a good enough reason for him to go.
Pags
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Stony Point, NY
Joined: 10.06.2007

May 21 @ 10:55 PM ET
I don't know that Hex Burke are as ready us most of us to move on from Dumo... Hope I'm wrong...
- MattStrat
I think the playoffs without him proved that he's definitely expendable. Comes down to him or Petts and one played well and one didn't play.

And non Pens question...Avs lost Girard tonight and doubt he's back soon, do they dare dress JJ next game????
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

May 21 @ 10:56 PM ET
Rakell looked great with Geno, played physical, was tough on the boards, was a net front guy and never hesitated to shoot. He's 29 and just made 3.8. Show me some available names that bring all that and that you know can play with Geno for less than 5 a year...
- Pags


Niederreiter, Domi, Palat, Burakovski, Nichushkin are a few that come to mind who could have similar impact at a similar rate.

I'm not anti Rackell but I also don't want to chase and lock him up to a premium contract.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 21 @ 10:57 PM ET
I think it comes down to what Sullivan thinks right now. Hex and Burke didn’t sign Dumo, but Sullivan seems really attached to him and deadest that he’s still a top pairing guy. Hex doesn’t strike me as the kind a guy that would money puck his coach. Maybe that’s a good enough reason for him to go.
- Victoro311


Sullivan bumped him off the top pair a few times this season, so I'm not convinced he's as attached as he once was. I think he at least sees that Dumo may not be the player he was. Whether or not that translates into being amenable to trading him is a different story.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 21 @ 11:00 PM ET
I'm a better G.M., Seattle gave me Florida's 2nd for Zucker
- Pags


I honestly didn't think too hard about a return for Zucker. I just think SEA is a good destination. I'm sure Hex would take whatever for him at this point if his whole hit comes off the books.

I'm not sure how accurate I am on Nichushkin though.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

May 21 @ 11:04 PM ET
I don't know that Hex Burke are as ready us most of us to move on from Dumo... Hope I'm wrong...
- MattStrat


I won't be sad if Dumo goes but Pettersson is my first choice to move on the left side. If only because of contract status, Dumo is gone after this season and while I don't mind Pettersson he is paid a bit too much for a bit too long.

MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

May 21 @ 11:05 PM ET
If that were true why do we never get them?
- Victoro311


We never have cap space.
Pags
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Stony Point, NY
Joined: 10.06.2007

May 21 @ 11:09 PM ET
I honestly didn't think too hard about a return for Zucker. I just think SEA is a good destination. I'm sure Hex would take whatever for him at this point if his whole hit comes off the books.

I'm not sure how accurate I am on Nichushkin though.

- Rinosaur
Just thought it funny we both sent him to Seattle. Dumo I sent to Arizona because Chychrun is gone and they'll need to pay someone lol

Commented earlier on Nichushkin, if he leaves the Avs I could see him getting 7+ easy. I gave him 5 as well, but then realized he's still only 27.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

May 21 @ 11:10 PM ET
I honestly didn't think too hard about a return for Zucker. I just think SEA is a good destination. I'm sure Hex would take whatever for him at this point if his whole hit comes off the books.

I'm not sure how accurate I am on Nichushkin though.

- Rinosaur


That's probably pretty close for Nichushkin. Solid lineup but I think you might be under on a few guys.

I think with Zucker the Pens aren't getting much other than a cap dump but Seattle is a good fit. Good gamble for a trade deadline chip, if he is healthy and having a good season he could net a 1st with salary retention.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

May 21 @ 11:15 PM ET
We never have cap space.
- MacPatty

We do we just spend it on Jack Johnson, Tanev, and McGinn.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

May 21 @ 11:15 PM ET
Just thought it funny we both sent him to Seattle. Dumo I sent to Arizona because Chychrun is gone and they'll need to pay someone lol

Commented earlier on Nichushkin, if he leaves the Avs I could see him getting 7+ easy. I gave him 5 as well, but then realized he's still only 27.

- Pags


Nichushkin is having his first good season ever, no one is giving him $7M with term. Max he gets is a 5x$5M, even though the talent is there, he is a huge risk.

Dumo definitely a good fit for Zona as a fill in like you mentioned but also a deadline value if he is healthy. Look at what Chiarot and Kulak got at the deadline, if he is healthy, Dumo is worth more.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

May 21 @ 11:25 PM ET
We do we just spend it on Jack Johnson, Tanev, and McGinn.
- Victoro311


One bad contract can just turn into a waterfall effect.... Though I'll argue Tanevs wasn't bad, injuries aside he has been a .5ppg player the last 2 seasons.
Pags
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Stony Point, NY
Joined: 10.06.2007

May 21 @ 11:25 PM ET
Nichushkin is having his first good season ever, no one is giving him $7M with term. Max he gets is a 5x$5M, even though the talent is there, he is a huge risk.
- MacPatty
We'll have to revisit this one later in the year. Granted he's a late developer, but he is a puck possession, power forward beast with speed, hands and a shot, and who can play with elite talent. Not many like him in the league and he just turned 27. This year was also his first playing top 6.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

May 21 @ 11:46 PM ET
One bad contract can just turn into a waterfall effect.... Though I'll argue Tanevs wasn't bad, injuries aside he has been a .5ppg player the last 2 seasons.
- MacPatty

Don’t really think McGinn is that bad of a contract either, he’s just not very impactful.

The point I’m making is that we usually go into the offseason with just enough cap to make an impactful signing and we pretty much are never able to pull it off and up spending our cap on bit pieces just for the sake of spending it. Managing free agency is hard. If an impact guy hits the market, there’s gonna be ten other teams that are trying like hell to sign him too, so even if you get the contract offer right, he still has to pick you over the other guys. Not always the case. If you remember, Saad told us no this past offseason even though our offer was in line with what he wanted, he just didn’t want to play here.

So when you say that we can just tell Rakell to kick rocks because we can just get someone else, the answer is not really. We know Rakell is open to the idea of coming back. He’s said as much. We have no idea if Palat, Nino, Nich, or whoever would even consider Pittsburgh and then we’re stuck with paying Frank Vatrano $3 mil a year just cus.
Pags
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Stony Point, NY
Joined: 10.06.2007

May 22 @ 1:06 AM ET
Another name that caught my eye, wondering what you all think...Chandler Stephenson of Vegas. They have to shed some serious salary and with Eichel, he's now bumped to the 3rd line. He's had 2 decent seasons there as a top 6, only 28, good 5 vs 5 and on faceoffs, fast, kills penalties and signed for 2 more years at 2.75 per. Pretty much a steal for a 60 point guy who can do a few things.

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/3270269
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

May 22 @ 6:39 AM ET
Letang and Malkin are definitely going to test free agency. Might be a good thing for the Malkin situation. Pens are just going to have to Match Letangs best offer.
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