Gosh remember when Tavares took that hometown discount to join his childhood team? The more players that do this, the worse JT's deal looks. Gio doesn't even have an NMC.
- Bartacus

It’s nowhere near the same thing, and you had to know this because nobody can be that clueless.

I’d suggest you take the trolling elsewhere.

after this season 21-22, it's 1/2m

what issue is that?
- dmnted

THERE HAS TO BE AN ISSUE

Looks like it’s hard to beat Tampa in a playoff game

Looks like it’s hard to beat Tampa in a playoff game
- Canada Cup

Their goalie is ok

Looks like it’s hard to beat Tampa in a playoff game
- Canada Cup

Vasilevskiy man!

As good as their d core is and having Hedman they still have up an above avg shot against each game - That beast of a money wins every time man.

That old adage - show me a good team or coach amd I’ll show you a great goaltender.

Always hated tenders but they are the most important position in the game

The refs in this Colorado / St. Louis game are really letting Perron dig his own grave. They should just throw a 10 minute misconduct at him before he does something really, really stupid.

Looks like it’s hard to beat Tampa in a playoff game
- Canada Cup

No shame, You took them to 7, Presents Trophy Winners (what's that worth again) swept.

Watching this Colorado game, kadri is exactly what the leafs are missing for playoffs.

It’s amazing how leaf players get suspended and crucified during playoffs when they are a generally clean team, only to go unnoticed in other markets.

Gosh remember when Tavares took that hometown discount to join his childhood team? The more players that do this, the worse JT's deal looks. Gio doesn't even have an NMC.
- Bartacus

It's impressive that people continue to fail to see the difference between Tavares signing and Spezza and Gio signing.

Lot of dudes to sign though:

UFAs:

1 x 3rd liner (Mickey)
2 x 4th liners (Blackwell, Spezza)
1 x starting goaltender
1 x 1st pairing D (Laboosh)

RFAs:
2 x 3rd/4th liners (Engvall, Kase)
2 x 4/5/6 defensemen (Lillybust, Sandin)

So like 5 forwards, 3 D, and a starting goalie for 7M.
- gravyface

If possible, trading Mrazek and Holl clears up $5.8M. Looks a bit better that way. Even more-so if Muzzin ends up gone, too.

Watching this Colorado game, kadri is exactly what the leafs are missing for playoffs.

It’s amazing how leaf players get suspended and crucified during playoffs when they are a generally clean team, only to go unnoticed in other markets.
- bryant

Well...the Leafs were missing Kadri in the playoffs when he was playing for them.

Well...the Leafs were missing Kadri in the playoffs when he was playing for them.
- Zezel

So was Colorado last season.

And if Perron is continued to be allowed to run around, he might be out again this playoffs, but for a different reason.

Amazing that Florida only scored 3 goals total against Tampa. Tampa (frank)ed them up good.

Kadri hattrick

Amazing that Florida only scored 3 goals total against Tampa. Tampa (frank)ed them up good.
- Zezel

w/o Brayden Point

If possible, trading Mrazek and Holl clears up $5.8M. Looks a bit better that way. Even more-so if Muzzin ends up gone, too.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I think trading Muzzin just leaves too many holes and uncertainty.

Also, a few guys get bumped to the minors like Kallgren so it's legit 8 million before Mrazek or Holl are moved. If they move then it's 12.8 (have to have Kallgren or another back up there)

It’s nowhere near the same thing, and you had to know this because nobody can be that clueless.

I’d suggest you take the trolling elsewhere.
- Cush29

Right. Brad Marchand is from Halifax, not Boston. Put up better numbers than Tavares his signing year on a competitive team and signed a deal 'in his prime' at a different value. You're right though, this troll can't count.

I think trading Muzzin just leaves too many holes and uncertainty.

Also, a few guys get bumped to the minors like Kallgren so it's legit 8 million before Mrazek or Holl are moved. If they move then it's 12.8 (have to have Kallgren or another back up there)
- Aaron_85

Might cost us an asset to move Mrazek.
Possibly the same asset we get for Holl.

If we eat 25% of Mrazek, we could actually get an asset instead of giving one up....

It's impressive that people continue to fail to see the difference between Tavares signing and Spezza and Gio signing.
- GreatGigInTheSky

All I was saying was that people who want to play for a specific team, even in their prime, have been known to take meaningful discounts as UFAs that let GMs build a contender around them. Brad Marchand isn't even from Boston, put up better numbers than Tavares when he signed his deal, settled on a different number. The JT signing set a precedent for other contracts which necessitates the Gio/Spezza deals, but thankfully the Leafs are fortunate to have a ton of homegrown players. This is a fantastic signing.

All I was saying was that people who want to play for a specific team, even in their prime, have been known to take meaningful discounts as UFAs that let GMs build a contender around them. Brad Marchand isn't even from Boston, put up better numbers than Tavares when he signed his deal, settled on a different number. The JT signing set a precedent for other contracts which necessitates the Gio/Spezza deals, but thankfully the Leafs are fortunate to have a ton of homegrown players. This is a fantastic signing.
- Bartacus

Marchand is a winger, JT is a centre.

It was reported that Tavares turned down more money from both NYI and San Jose.

At the time, it was the biggest UFA signing in history, probably still is.

We all knew the deal wouldn’t age well, but Toronto went years without centre depth. Now they have it.

Tavares was still almost a ppg this year, there are far worse contracts out there.

Elite talent will get you through times of no cap space better than cap space will get you through times of no elite talent.
- Zezel

What will get us through one round of the playoffs??

It's a low bar, I know....😢

All I was saying was that people who want to play for a specific team, even in their prime, have been known to take meaningful discounts as UFAs that let GMs build a contender around them. Brad Marchand isn't even from Boston, put up better numbers than Tavares when he signed his deal, settled on a different number. The JT signing set a precedent for other contracts which necessitates the Gio/Spezza deals, but thankfully the Leafs are fortunate to have a ton of homegrown players. This is a fantastic signing.
- Bartacus

First, I think the Leafs are really close. But knowing what they are missing is really important.

Second, Florida offers a clear insight into where the Leafs may have come from. Florida won the President's Trophy and a first playoff round by playing great offensive hockey. Panthers have huge regular season offensive talent and won by simply outscoring everyone. On multiple occasions they fell behind on the regular season scoreboard and were able to come back because of their elite offensive power.

Third, Tampa shows us what a team needs to be if they want to win it all.

In today's NHL, teams that can win a Stanley Cup need good goaltending and a strong defensive game in their own end. They also need for every forward to offer up a 200' presence on every shift.

Leafs need to be careful in their thinking. Cannot simplify the challenge as being only one win away from going all the way.

Does anyone else wonder why Seattle and Calgary opened the door allowing Giordano to walk? Be careful when an opportunity appears to good to be true.

Marchand is a winger, JT is a centre.

It was reported that Tavares turned down more money from both NYI and San Jose.

At the time, it was the biggest UFA signing in history, probably still is.

We all knew the deal wouldn’t age well, but Toronto went years without centre depth. Now they have it.

Tavares was still almost a ppg this year, there are far worse contracts out there.
- Kinger34

This is all true.

It is also true that it was a colossal mistake.

You don't need an 11M 2C. The Leafs had Matthews and Kadri.

It has prevented the Leafs from building using the gold standard template: 1G, 1D, 1C.

4 forwards @ 40M? Can't get us out of round one five years straight. Now that we're at the "contract won't age well" stage - it's going to be even harder.

What will get us through one round of the playoffs??

It's a low bar, I know....😢
- fifty__missions

I think it is actually a really good and tough question. The Leafs are closer to being a Stanley Cup contender than some of the other pretenders.

For example, Many Leaf fans are easily convinced that round 1 could have been won if Kadri and Hyman were still on the Leaf line up cards. I understand there are financial constraints. But, as Tampa has demonstrated, winning requires some sandpaper in your lineup in order to finish the job.

This is all true.

It is also true that it was a colossal mistake.

You don't need an 11M 2C. The Leafs had Matthews and Kadri.

It has prevented the Leafs from building using the gold standard template: 1G, 1D, 1C.

4 forwards @ 40M? Can't get us out of round one five years straight. Now that we're at the "contract won't age well" stage - it's going to be even harder.
- fifty__missions

Oh FFS, they don't draw Tampa they are out of round one this year, but Tampa in round two means the end. And round two also is not good enough.