At what? Cooking?

Because it sure as hell ain't at goaltending.
- Scabeh

Thats your opinion.

I disagree. Gibson is up there with the most talented goalies in the league, plenty goes into goaltending and the proof is in the inconsistency of all of it.

who?
- senstroll

The Islanders could move on from Varlamov ($5m / 1 year remaining)

Anaheim might move Gibson ($6.4m / 5 years remaining) - but he feels like a reputation move, not a performance move. He's been below average and outperformed or matched by his backup in the last 4 years. He's an expensive risk.

I'm sure the Kings would trade Quick and his $5.8 x 1 year deal. I wouldn't want him or his contract.

I think Florida would trade Bob and his 4x$10m contract, but who would want it?

I don't think Philly's given up on Carter Hart (2x$4m) and I don't think they have an heir apparent. I also don't think he's proven himself stable, even though he's only 23.

That's about all the guys I can think of that teams would want to move. I saw Santo mention Lehner, but I don't know if Vegas is ready to give Thompson the keys yet. I wouldn't be.

Saros, sure. he has had 4 nice seasons in a row. reasonable contract. they have Askarov who is still very young. doubt they are ready to hand over things to a 20yo. but who knows

Gibson, Id stay away from, 3 very average years in a row. too much risk imo to get little to no improvement.

lehner...no idea on his status
- senstroll

Not to say Lehner's mental health is fragile or anything, but he's blown up in Ottawa, Buffalo and Vegas...can you imagine him on the Leafs?

Saros, sure. he has had 4 nice seasons in a row. reasonable contract. they have Askarov who is still very young. doubt they are ready to hand over things to a 20yo. but who knows

Gibson, Id stay away from, 3 very average years in a row. too much risk imo to get little to no improvement.

lehner...no idea on his status
- senstroll

Gibson has been on a really bad team, and while I understand you can still put up good numbers on a bad team I do not think it tells the whole story.

There is not a question in my mind that he is an elite goalie.

Saros, sure. he has had 4 nice seasons in a row. reasonable contract. they have Askarov who is still very young. doubt they are ready to hand over things to a 20yo. but who knows

Gibson, Id stay away from, 3 very average years in a row. too much risk imo to get little to no improvement.

lehner...no idea on his status
- senstroll

I tend to agree with you. I don't think there's been any indication that Askarov is ready for the big game yet. He didn't even get to play in the A this year. I think he needs at least a year to see what he has before you can make the decision - and it would take some lights out performance from a 21 year old to make that decision.

Saros, sure. he has had 4 nice seasons in a row. reasonable contract. they have Askarov who is still very young. doubt they are ready to hand over things to a 20yo. but who knows

Gibson, Id stay away from, 3 very average years in a row. too much risk imo to get little to no improvement.

lehner...no idea on his status
- senstroll

even if he was available, I'd stay away from him.

The Islanders could move on from Varlamov ($5m / 1 year remaining)

Anaheim might move Gibson ($6.4m / 5 years remaining) - but he feels like a reputation move, not a performance move. He's been below average and outperformed or matched by his backup in the last 4 years. He's an expensive risk.

I'm sure the Kings would trade Quick and his $5.8 x 1 year deal. I wouldn't want him or his contract.

I think Florida would trade Bob and his 4x$10m contract, but who would want it?

I don't think Philly's given up on Carter Hart (2x$4m) and I don't think they have an heir apparent. I also don't think he's proven himself stable, even though he's only 23.

That's about all the guys I can think of that teams would want to move. I saw Santo mention Lehner, but I don't know if Vegas is ready to give Thompson the keys yet. I wouldn't be.
- Monkeypunk

So basically every goalie in the league gives you reasons to not trade for them?

The Islanders could move on from Varlamov ($5m / 1 year remaining)

Anaheim might move Gibson ($6.4m / 5 years remaining) - but he feels like a reputation move, not a performance move. He's been below average and outperformed or matched by his backup in the last 4 years. He's an expensive risk.

I'm sure the Kings would trade Quick and his $5.8 x 1 year deal. I wouldn't want him or his contract.

I think Florida would trade Bob and his 4x$10m contract, but who would want it?

I don't think Philly's given up on Carter Hart (2x$4m) and I don't think they have an heir apparent. I also don't think he's proven himself stable, even though he's only 23.

That's about all the guys I can think of that teams would want to move. I saw Santo mention Lehner, but I don't know if Vegas is ready to give Thompson the keys yet. I wouldn't be.
- Monkeypunk

a lot of Meh and doesnt feel like an upgrade ..at least not a significant one

a lot of Meh and doesnt feel like an upgrade ..at least not a significant one
- senstroll

I think goaltending is very situational and being on certain teams effects their play greatly.

Campbell is an above average goalie. He is decently talented and has an emotional approach to the mental side of things, which we have seen can give us very highs and very lows.

Gibson has been on a really bad team, and while I understand you can still put up good numbers on a bad team I do not think it tells the whole story.

There is not a question in my mind that he is an elite goalie.
- Santo_44

this seems like a really good way to (frank) yourself and the cap.

there is 100% doubt in my mind

since I dont know much about goalies, just looking at this, goals saved above expected
https://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm

he ranks the last 3 year

114 with -14gsaa
72 with -7gsaa
82 with -18gsaa

just terrible
huge pass on a high risk

Not to say Lehner's mental health is fragile or anything, but he's blown up in Ottawa, Buffalo and Vegas...can you imagine him on the Leafs?
- AdamFrench

yeah, just feels like it would be a bad situation for him

this seems like a really good way to (frank) yourself and the cap.

there is 100% doubt in my mind

since I dont know much about goalies, just looking at this, goals saved above expected
https://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm

he ranks the last 3 year

114 with -14gsaa
72 with -7gsaa
82 with -18gsaa

just terrible
huge pass on a high risk
- senstroll

Yeah and what happened to Anaheim after December? Loads of injuries and a young team that just fell apart.

The cap hit is more than reasonable and will get even better as the years go in with the cap going up.

So basically every goalie in the league gives you reasons to not trade for them?
- Santo_44

Every goalie rumoured to be available I have reason to not want, yes. There's a reason their teams are willing to move on from them.

If there was a team in immediate rebuild mode with a solid goalie, that's who you make a deal with it. Anaheim isn't really that team. They've been taking the steps and their prominent youth are developing faster than expected - they could be in the mix sooner rather than later. They are either on the cusp and Gibson is a requirement, or they are on the cusp and Gibson is holding them back in their estimation.

Every goalie rumoured to be available I have reason to not want, yes. There's a reason their teams are willing to move on from them.

If there was a team in immediate rebuild mode with a solid goalie, that's who you make a deal with it. Anaheim isn't really that team. They've been taking the steps and their prominent youth are developing faster than expected - they could be in the mix sooner rather than later. They are either on the cusp and Gibson is a requirement, or they are on the cusp and Gibson is holding them back in their estimation.
- Monkeypunk

Stolarz

Stolarz
- gravyface

The 28 year old with 30 games of good NHL hockey?

Every goalie rumoured to be available I have reason to not want, yes. There's a reason their teams are willing to move on from them.

If there was a team in immediate rebuild mode with a solid goalie, that's who you make a deal with it. Anaheim isn't really that team. They've been taking the steps and their prominent youth are developing faster than expected - they could be in the mix sooner rather than later. They are either on the cusp and Gibson is a requirement, or they are on the cusp and Gibson is holding them back in their estimation.
- Monkeypunk

Gibson was at the all star game before the brutal 2nd half.

Gibson has had plenty of highs in his career, I am willing to bet that incredibly low is not indicative of his future play.

Gibson has also been there for what? 8 seasons? Could be just time to move on for him.

The soon to be 28 year old with 30 games of good NHL hockey?
- AdamFrench

He also played against the weak teams on the Ducks schedule.

The 28 year old with 30 games of good NHL hockey?
- AdamFrench

Yup, 1A/B with Campbell.

Yup, 1A/B with Campbell.
- gravyface

Campbell wants Peterson money.

He is likely gone unless he takes a cheaper deal.

Campbell wants Peterson money.

He is likely gone unless he takes a cheaper deal.
- Santo_44

Is that what the reports say? I haven't read anything about his asks.

I think he stays if you offer him 4 years at 3.5-4M.

Gibson was at the all star game before the brutal 2nd half.

Gibson has had plenty of highs in his career, I am willing to bet that incredibly low is not indicative of his future play.

Gibson has also been there for what? 8 seasons? Could be just time to move on for him.
- Santo_44

Campbell was an all star too and was good in the playoffs and wasn't getting 6.4M last year, I don't see Gibson as elite at all - he is streaky like the goalie the Leafs had this year so paying 6.4M for what you already have and paid alot less and would pay less to resign doesn't jive with me.

It's not like anyone can point at Gibson and say "He wins playoff series" so I don't get why your so high on him. He has not just shat the bed late season this year, it's his trademark last few years - hot start and then downhill late season.

I think Gibson is overpaid by at least 1.4 M / year right now if not more.

Is that what the reports say? I haven't read anything about his asks.
- Scabeh

Friedman says they have been way off all season and still are.

Peterson is a comparable for him.(I would have never given Peterson that contract)

Friedman also said JC's value may be high in FA with the 1A/1B trend. Which kind of baffles me because teams moved to that direction in order to save cap Its a copy cat league and I think that trend is coming full circle.

Yeah and what happened to Anaheim after December? Loads of injuries and a young team that just fell apart.

The cap hit is more than reasonable and will get even better as the years go in with the cap going up.
- Santo_44

Let's qualify it internally then.

Anaheim doles out their playing responsibilities more heavily to their starter - giving him the tougher assignments. Now I ignored Dostal who was an emergency replacement, starting 3 games against Chicago, Detroit and San Jose.

Of the other 79 games, Gibson appeared in 33 against Playoff teams, and 23 against non-playoff teams. Stolarz appeared in 13 against Playoff teams and 15 against non-playoff teams. Gibson only seemed to come out of 2 games - once against Chicago where he was pulled, and one where he appears to have been injured against the Stars. Stolarz was likewise injured and the Ducks had to use a replacement goalie in the 3rd.

In Gibson's 33 games against Playoff teams, he was .904, 3.37. In his 23 against non-playoff teams, he was .904, 2.98.

Stolarz, in 13 appearances against playoff teams, was .905, 3.33. Against non-playoff teams in 15 games, he was 9.27, 2.22.

John Gibson has an elite reputation for his work in 2016 - 2018, and he's young enough to believe that he hasn't lost it, but he sure as Hell isn't showing it.

Is that what the reports say? I haven't read anything about his asks.

I think he stays if you offer him 4 years at 3.5-4M.
- Scabeh

I'd rather have Campbell at 3.5/4 than Gibson at 6.4 today.

I'd rather have Campbell at 3.5/4 than Gibson at 6.4 today.
- Cush29

Me too.

Add to that one comes without giving anything away in return.