TK had that 1 good season and got a good contract out of it. Has done nothing since he signed that contract. Been saying get rid of TK and Laughton for awhile now.
- WhiskeyMan

Can't get behind any hate for the players. I just can't bring myself to do it. It's frankly lazy analysis, and changes the focus from those who are actually at fault.

To address your examples, the Flyers could move on from Konecny, or Laughton but to what end? Lateral moves at best? That's Fletcher's calling card.

If Konecny was more consistent. If Sanheim was more physical. If they had a hard ass to yell at them between periods.

They could beat Tampa Bay in a 7 game series.

Who believes this poop? The Players have already been turned over, and that "culture change" Chuck raved about last season worked wonders.
- FlyerFan3260

What are you rambling on about? The players havent been turned over, there are clearly still guys there.

Turnover also doesnt address the talent issue

Culture change doesnt happen overnight. The culture is defined by your leadership group. Your leaders need to set an example for the younger players.

The core still remains. Getting rid of the fringe players means little.

Add TK and Laughton to your list. No issue keeping Hart.
- hello it's me 2050

Giroux and Voracek were fringe players.

TK had that 1 good season and got a good contract out of it. Has done nothing since he signed that contract. Been saying get rid of TK and Laughton for awhile now.
- WhiskeyMan

He had two good seasons of back to back 24 goals. Signed the contract, and had his best season of 61 points. So I would respectfully say this is inaccurate.

Had his second best season points wise this past season.

What are you rambling on about? The players havent been turned over, there are clearly still guys there.

Turnover also doesnt address the talent issue

Culture change doesnt happen overnight. The culture is defined by your leadership group. Your leaders need to set an example for the younger players.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The post wasn't meant to get on you, but rather some of what I read in other comments.

Fletcher was hired in 2018. Only an incompetent organization would believe this somehow isn't his team. He has his paw prints all over it, and the trajectory hasn't really been to that of success.

I am not addressing leadership. More intangible crap that the Flyers archaic mindset is obsessed with. Next we will hear about how they don't try.

TK had that 1 good season and got a good contract out of it. Has done nothing since he signed that contract. Been saying get rid of TK and Laughton for awhile now.
- WhiskeyMan

His "1 good season" came after signing the contract.

Since signing, he has lead the team in scoring with 147 points in 195 games.

Hextall?
- corduroy

He had two good seasons of back to back 24 goals. Signed the contract, and had his best season of 61 points. So I would respectfully say this is inaccurate.

Had his second best season points wise this past season.
- MBFlyerfan

Some people have plenty of time to type out their bad takes, but somehow don't have a spare minute to check their facts first.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/travis-konecny

Can't get behind any hate for the players. I just can't bring myself to do it. It's frankly lazy analysis, and change the focus from those who are actually a fault.

To address your examples, the Flyers could move on from Konecny, or Laughton but to what end? Lateral moves at best? That's Fletcher's calling card.
- FlyerFan3260

Not lateral at all. Konecny has a top 6 role on the team. Replacing him alters the team considerably. Get a worse player and the team suffers, get a better player and the team improves.

Laughton is one of the Leadership guys. If culture change is what you want, he is a guy that needs to go. If you look at the roster, a guy like Laughton seems like the odd man out unless you are playing a 3 mill player on the 4th line. If dealt you are not bringing a roster player back

I would agree but we need to see what we have in these young guys and they need to play. It will be another year of Frost looking over his shoulder and playing 13 minutes because he gambled on a 50/50 puck. There’s a ton of young guys that could use some ice time. Instead the vets will be trotted out, Thompson re signing on the way.
- ClaudeFather

Laine sure looked happier this season without Torts trying to turn him into a power forward lol

His "1 good season" came after signing the contract.

Since signing, he has lead the team in scoring with 147 points in 195 games.
- Feanor

You think he played well the last two seasons? He certainly didn’t play up to his potential and he was not engaged most games. He has been a problem.

Laine sure looked happier this season without Torts trying to turn him into a power forward lol
- Tomahawk

Haha yup, this would be the absolute worst time to get Torts. They’ll sniff the playoffs and further send us down this middling purgatory like state of the franchise.

Not lateral at all. Konecny has a top 6 role on the team. Replacing him alters the team considerably. Get a worse player and the team suffers, get a better player and the team improves.

Laughton is one of the Leadership guys. If culture change is what you want, he is a guy that needs to go. If you look at the roster, a guy like Laughton seems like the odd man out unless you are playing a 3 mill player on the 4th line. If dealt you are not bringing a roster player back
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The Flyers aren't likely winning a Konecny trade at this point. Especially with Fletcher at the helm, who is far too willing to be taken advantage of.

There isn't a lot of need for me to continue on, things like culture change mean nothing to me. Talent wins, and unless they solve that issue not even George Washington is going to move the needle.

Poorly run teams focus on these intangibles to the extent that the Flyers do. Wouldn't it be something if they focused on their continued failed player development staff with the same passion?

Haha yup, this would be the absolute worst time to get Torts. They’ll sniff the playoffs and further send us down this middling purgatory like state of the franchise.
- ClaudeFather

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When things went off the rails in November, TK was nowhere to be found.

When things went off the rails in November, TK was nowhere to be found.
- ClaudeFather

Better yet so too were Chuck Fletcher, and Dave Scott.

Not lateral at all. Konecny has a top 6 role on the team. Replacing him alters the team considerably. Get a worse player and the team suffers, get a better player and the team improves.

Laughton is one of the Leadership guys. If culture change is what you want, he is a guy that needs to go. If you look at the roster, a guy like Laughton seems like the odd man out unless you are playing a 3 mill player on the 4th line. If dealt you are not bringing a roster player back
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Laughton hasn't played on the 4th line since 17-18.

What Flyers roster are you looking at where he will be a 4th liner next season?

You think he played well the last two seasons? He certainly didn’t play up to his potential and he was not engaged most games. He has been a problem.
- ClaudeFather

Definitely had a regress in the second season. Still managed his second highest point total season this past year and led the team. Regardless of how bad the team was he still led them in points. I think that is something to build on for next season.

Definitely had a regress in the second season. Still managed his second highest point total season this past year and led the team. Regardless of how bad the team was he still led them in points. I think that is something to build on for next season.
- MBFlyerfan

Nah, just keep shipping out guys like Konecny and Ghost and Voracek who are supposed to be the problem, then act puzzled when they do better on their new teams and the Flyers finish bottom 5 again.

I think the Flyers are very much ignoring it.

Or to be more specific to your point, continue to believe they can fill their biggest needs through FA/trades.

It's why it's hard for me to get truly upset, or excited about any coach. The philosophy of how to build a team is dead wrong. I am not sure how many more seasons it's going to take for Scott to understand it.
- FlyerFan3260

you can for sure make a case for that, after that we are left with what we have. When I think of the coach I think of the all the young players here and now signing with the big club, a real coach is huge just for that purpose. I want the kid line, Allison, Tanner L, Brink, Attard and more to learn the right way. That is why I don't mind a Torts, he tends to get the best out of a squad, what Cam said helps even more.

On the talent piece, I am on record saying let it roll this season, get great picks next season, then add to compete, just one season of patience. I like the depth right now, 2 straight drafts picking top 5, that will help tremendously.

I said last off-season, we cant stop CF from adding via FA/trades and honestly, there was a case to be made he should, but I also said he could not add all he needed in 1 off-season, he needed to be smart and do it over 2 seasons, just my opinion. He tried to fill all the holes coming into this season, mistake, and it blew up in his face. When he was done he still didn't address speed. Here he is again, he cant fix this in 1 off-season, especially when you subtract G and now have less upper end talent.

I think the Flyers have a much better middle 6, a much better top 9, more youth and speed (as long as the GM/coach don't go with the Thompson method). I like our goal tending. I think York will fit nicely, I predict Ellis will play and play well. I think Coots, Hayes, TK, Cam and Farabee will all play well. Do they have enough fire power to score enough goals? Probably not, unless it all falls into place.

We can all agree we want a coach that has a good system and gets buy-in

My big question, if it is all close to what I said above, where do the Flyers finish draft position wise? Worse case 10-12, most likely 14-18 and worse case they barely get into the playoffs.

So you are the GM, what do you do this off-season?

1. Try to finish close to the bottom (trade Coots, will have to happen)
2. Add to improve the team (we know what this means)
3. stand pat and let happen what happens


As a fan I have an opinion, as a loyal fan, once the direction is chosen I starting rooting for my team.

If CF goes all in he needs luck. If Johnny G is one of his guys, he is hoping the Oil run the table and Johnny G wants to leave and will give a hometown discount. CF needs luck with other teams, there are plenty of teams who will be moving good players to get their teams right (Vegas etc). There is a thin path to re-tool, CF has the assets to do it, not the right path in my opinion but there is a path

I see that Kadri drew 2 penalties, resulting in a 5 on 3, then let the full time on the penalty run out, then scored. That's badass.

He is a "born Flyer". I would say 9.5m x 7 years + NMC.

Laine sure looked happier this season without Torts trying to turn him into a power forward lol
- Tomahawk

thank God the Flyers don't have a Laine or upper end talent

I see that Kadri drew 2 penalties, resulting in a 5 on 3, then let the full time on the penalty run out, then scored. That's badass.

He is a "born Flyer". I would say 9.5m x 7 years + NMC.
- PT21

Cool. Just trade JVR + the 5th overall to make room.

Haha yup, this would be the absolute worst time to get Torts. They’ll sniff the playoffs and further send us down this middling purgatory like state of the franchise.
- ClaudeFather

Torts might get a veteran team over the hump with a kick in the ass.

He does nothing for a mish mash team with key young players who need to build confidence.

Giroux and Voracek were fringe players.
- Feanor

so you cherry pick those 2 out of that list? Well done. Bravo.

Oh and removing CC for the final 2 months was a huge change.