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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 24 @ 12:33 PM ET
He had 1 good season 19/20, 61 points in 66 games. The two before that were okay seasons and showed promise.
- WhiskeyMan



That was after he signed his contract.

You said this:


TK had that 1 good season and got a good contract out of it. Has done nothing since he signed that contract. Been saying get rid of TK and Laughton for awhile now.


I was just pointing out you were wrong. And your follow up statement directly contradicts what you said the first time.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 24 @ 12:38 PM ET
Maybe the Flyers should try not to destroy the confidence and trade value of their own good players...
- Tomahawk


It's absolutely mind boggling how many on this board are completely disconnected. How some still don't understand the salary cap and waiver situations in the league.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 24 @ 12:38 PM ET
This is complete nonsense. A winning culture is built by winning. There is no leadership group or leader that can overcome a lack of talent. You want a better culture, build a better team.
- MJL


It is not nonsense. A culture is the expression of a team's values, attitudes, and beliefs about sports and competition. Winning and losing can affect culture but it is not culture itself

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 24 @ 12:39 PM ET
It's absolutely mind boggling how many on this board are completely disconnected. How some still don't understand the salary cap and waiver situations in the league.
- MJL

What tweaks do you htink florida has to make? Any opinion on who they should add/subtract?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 24 @ 12:40 PM ET


The Risto Ghost Yandle shyt poop show was enough for me to ax Fletcher. I think Risto on a good team as the 4th dman is a win especially once you hit the playoffs, but he is one of 3 number 4 dmen we have on this team and our number 1 guy has a mystery injury..

- Joe Nardone


I love the myth that once the playoffs come, Ristolainen's faults as a player would all of a sudden disappear. As if his negative physical value would go away and he would be an effective player. With more intense and tougher hockey in the playoffs, Ristolainen would be even more of a liability than he is in the regular season.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 24 @ 12:43 PM ET
LOL some funny stuff. You don't know that replacing Konecny alters the team in any manner until you know who is actually replacing him. If they intend to play Laughton on the 4th line, then they should trade him. Too much money to pay a 4th liner. However, he is better than a 4th liner.
- MJL


You are just repeating what I said..... If you move Konecny for a better player the team is better and if not its worse. That is literally covers the bases of not knowing who the player is. The player you get is either better, worse or the same.

Again with Laughton, the same thing pretty much said the same thing without explicitly saying the 3 mill price tag is too much. If Cates is on the 3rd line you trade Laughton.

Do you do anything but try to stir the pot?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 24 @ 12:44 PM ET
I agree - doing nothing would have been better, but Haag stinks people. Let’s stop w the Haag nonsense.
- Joe Nardone


Having Haag on the 3rd pairing last season would've improved the team.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 24 @ 12:45 PM ET
It is not nonsense. A culture is the expression of a team's values, attitudes, and beliefs about sports and competition. Winning and losing can affect culture but it is not culture itself
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


You'd make a perfect Flyers intern. Well schooled in archaic nonsense.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 24 @ 12:46 PM ET
You are just repeating what I said..... If you move Konecny for a better player the team is better and if not its worse. That is literally covers the bases of not knowing who the player is. The player you get is either better, worse or the same.

Again with Laughton, the same thing pretty much said the same thing without explicitly saying the 3 mill price tag is too much. If Cates is on the 3rd line you trade Laughton.

Do you do anything but try to stir the pot?

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


No I'm not. You made another bad statement. That moving Konecny will alter the team and can't be a lateral move. Poorly thought out. You can't judge a move until it's made.

There's no stirring the pot. Just setting the record straight. Which unfortunately has to be done a lot.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

May 24 @ 12:55 PM ET


Farabee-Couturier-Konecny
Lindblom-Hayes-Atkinson
Cates-Frost-Tippett
Ratcliffe-Laczynski-Hodgson

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Unless Paul Coffey and Nic Lidstrom, Brian Leetch and Chris Pronger, as well as Chris Chelios and Al Iafrati find the fountain of youth, drink from it, and all sign with the Flyers at a cap friendly price…

That lineup ain’t making no playoffs and if it squeaks in, it’s getting obliterated worse than Florida was by Tampa.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

May 24 @ 12:55 PM ET
So Torts has already interviewed for Flyers head coaching job.
FlyerFan3260
Location: MAGA
Joined: 09.28.2020

May 24 @ 1:03 PM ET
So Torts has already interviewed for Flyers head coaching job.
- landros 2


The idea that there are some men who are considering him says all one needs to know.

I’d like to know who they are.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 24 @ 1:05 PM ET
No I'm not. You made another bad statement. That moving Konecny will alter the team and can't be a lateral move. Poorly thought out. You can't judge a move until it's made.

There's no stirring the pot. Just setting the record straight. Which unfortunately has to be done a lot.

- MJL


No its stiring the pot. You analyze every word of every sentence looking for any reason correct or criticize. Nothing I said was incorrect. You are either purposely stirring the pot or your reading comprehension needs work
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 24 @ 1:06 PM ET
Having Haag on the 3rd pairing last season would've improved the team.
- MJL


only if Yandle wasnt
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 24 @ 1:08 PM ET
Unless Paul Coffey and Nic Lidstrom, Brian Leetch and Chris Pronger, as well as Chris Chelios and Al Iafrati find the fountain of youth, drink from it, and all sign with the Flyers at a cap friendly price…

That lineup ain’t making no playoffs and if it squeaks in, it’s getting obliterated worse than Florida was by Tampa.

- mikeyo27


Never said it was. There is no miracle move to turn this team into a contender in one season. Even with Fletcher's "aggressive retool Fletcher thinks the team is 2-3 years away.

There will be improvement but nothing dramatic.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 24 @ 1:12 PM ET
The idea that there are some men who are considering him says all one needs to know.

I’d like to know who they are.

- FlyerFan3260

Knowing the direction the flyers are going to take , who would you hire?
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

May 24 @ 1:17 PM ET
Never said it was. There is no miracle move to turn this team into a contender in one season. Even with Fletcher's "aggressive retool Fletcher thinks the team is 2-3 years away.

There will be improvement but nothing dramatic.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Agreed. I know that all you were saying is that that is potentially the starting forwards next year. I also took you as implying exactly what I wrote on response. Yes, several years away it seems.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

May 24 @ 1:27 PM ET
What tweaks do you htink florida has to make? Any opinion on who they should add/subtract?
- hello it's me 2050


Get Hedman And Vasy
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 24 @ 1:29 PM ET
Knowing the direction the flyers are going to take , who would you hire?
- hello it's me 2050


You take the best coach. The goal is to win the Stanley Cup. You cant take a guy and hope the guy to win SC with is available later.

Trotz should be the #1 on the list. After that Im fine with Torts, Montgomery or that European guy people keep salivating over.

The only guys I have no interest in are Julien, Boucher and Tochett
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

May 24 @ 1:29 PM ET
Having Haag on the 3rd pairing last season would've improved the team.
- MJL

yes lets compare bad D men to yandle...good one
Maybe if we had hagg we would be picking 7th and not 5th
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 24 @ 1:34 PM ET
What tweaks do you htink florida has to make? Any opinion on who they should add/subtract?
- hello it's me 2050


Improve the Defence but they shouldnt make any drastic changes. This is a team that hasnt had much playoff experience. Give them a few years and they will be able to make the push.

The top guys didnt produce, that cost them. Its the same with the Leafs. Worst thing they could do is blow it up.
rayc16
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 24 @ 1:35 PM ET
Just doing nothing on defense would have been much better, short term and long term.

Now they're out the draft picks and a (frank) ton of future cap space with cement head RR and permanent training room resident Ellis.

- Tomahawk

100% agree
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

May 24 @ 1:41 PM ET
Improve the Defence but they shouldnt make any drastic changes. This is a team that hasnt had much playoff experience. Give them a few years and they will be able to make the push.

The top guys didnt produce, that cost them. Its the same with the Leafs. Worst thing they could do is blow it up.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


How many cracks do the leafs get with this core? Its not like they are even close, haven't won a playoff round in ages. Maybe if they made it to the conference finals I would agree, but they cant win 1 round
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 24 @ 1:50 PM ET
So Atkinson has given the green light for Torts. We know Fletcher is easily led.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

I’m pretty sure Hayes’ hand was up Atkinson’s ass behind the red curtain when Cam was speaking.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

May 24 @ 1:50 PM ET
https://twitter.com/Kevin...5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

one of the coaches, who are the others....
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