Konecny and Farabee had their best seasons under AV

Lindblom was looking to have his best season with AV until he was diagnosed with Cancer.

Provorov had his 2nd best season with AV

Hart had a good year his 1st season with AV

I dont buy the AV was a bad coach routine, I just think he started to lose the room when he started playing mind games. Flyers were a good team in 2019-20 over the 69 games they played. People try to shrug it off to a hot streak but the 1st half of the season is just as good as their 2nd half.

This team has a habit of going through coaches like underwear. Its rare for a PHI coach to complete 4 years. Last one was Laviollette.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I personally believe AV lost the room when he criticized Hart publicly, and he was never able to get it back.

I think its all important to be honest. To start with you have to have good players and a good mix of talent. Next you have to have a solid and proven system that the players believe in and will execute game in and game out. But then you need to have a strong work ethic and a high level of responsibility and accountability in order to get the most out of the talent you have.

For the Flyers, they have some good players, but no top end elite players. The Flyers unfortunately do not have a proven system that they believe in and execute consistently. And finally, the Flyers have shown a lack of worth ethic and accountability over the past few years, though this season I think that improved a bit.

So the Flyers need to start with step 1, get good players. Fletcher has stated he wants this team to get younger, faster and more talented. That to me is a big step in the right direction.
- jd250

I don't believe that the Flyers have a work ethic or accountability issue. That is just the excuses that are used for lack of talent, poor coaching and poor team management.

I don't believe that the Flyers have a work ethic or accountability issue. That is just the excuses that are used for lack of talent, poor coaching and poor team management.
- MJL

Poor coaching i go along with but work ethic is disagree. There are multiple players who wont/dont back check at all. You can say it is bad coaching but the player has to give the effort for the system to work.

Poor coaching i go along with but work ethic is disagree. There are multiple players who wont/dont back check at all. You can say it is bad coaching but the player has to give the effort for the system to work.
- Flyerloon

I don't disagree that there are instances that occur such as failure to back check but I don't think that's due mainly to a work ethic issue.

I don't disagree that there are instances that occur such as failure to back check but I don't think that's due mainly to a work ethic issue.
- MJL

When i watch a team like Ottawa, i see all 5 players heading back to there zone with haste every play. I can honestly say that i almost never saw that with the Flyers.

Call it buy in for the system or what you want but i see a team playing together, but with the Flyers it doesnt have that feel ever. There always seems to be 1 or 2 players not back checking and this leads to out man rushes & goals.

For me,
Trade JVR
Trade Lindblom
Trade Laughton
Trade Povorov
Trade atkinson

Gain assets from these trades play our rookies and younger players and see what we have.

We already know these current players can do and thats not make the playoffs.

I’m all for tort’s as the next coach here. It’s exactly what this team needs. It will also weed out the softies. Mike Keenan 2.0

I don't believe that the Flyers have a work ethic or accountability issue. That is just the excuses that are used for lack of talent, poor coaching and poor team management.
- MJL

Bang on.

Lazy analysis looking to thinks like work ethic. They can become the most hard working team in the NHL, and it’s not going to move the needle drastically.

Romanticizing a blue collar attitude, and nothing more.

I’m all for tort’s as the next coach here. It’s exactly what this team needs. It will also weed out the softies. Mike Keenan 2.0
- Keyser soze

After what’s likely an initial moment of success, it’s going to make them more of a joke for other NHL markets.

Bet your house on that.

When i watch a team like Ottawa, i see all 5 players heading back to there zone with haste every play. I can honestly say that i almost never saw that with the Flyers.

Call it buy in for the system or what you want but i see a team playing together, but with the Flyers it doesnt have that feel ever. There always seems to be 1 or 2 players not back checking and this leads to out man rushes & goals.

For me,
Trade JVR
Trade Lindblom
Trade Laughton
Trade Povorov
Trade atkinson

Gain assets from these trades play our rookies and younger players and see what we have.

We already know these current players can do and thats not make the playoffs.
- Flyerloon

I don't disagree that the problem exists. I just don't think it's due to work ethic. I would caution against trading Provorov. The rest I can get on board with.

I cannot disagree with you, this team even with a completely healthy lineup lacked speed and top end talent. We saw it time and time again that the team had to work so hard just to score a goal, that they frequently created grade A looks but could not finish. Look, I never for a second thought this team would be a cup contender, but I thought on paper coming into this season they would make the playoffs. As you know, but probably will not admit, I have been harping on this team lacking speed and top end talent for quite some time. I liked the Ellis trade quite a bit, and I know you didn't, but in hindsight trading for Risto instead of trying to obtain more speed and top end talent was a bad move.
- jd250

The Ellis trade was horrible. Ellis was and always will be a sidekick. Depending on him os a #1 go to is stupid. Only flyers would bank on that. Sorta like only flyers would offer package #13 +++ in deal for a marginal nhl player and give absolute horrible extension. This team sucks so bad. Defending ANY move is just crazy. They are biggest laughingstock possibly ever in hockey

This organization is in such a horrible position....They are possibly going with Hart and Fedotov in goal next year. One is still struggling to find consistency as a starting goaltender, and the other has no NHL experience at all.

Given the state of the team and their poor defensive play the last few seasons, I don't know how this team doesnt do everything in it's power to insulate those two goaltenders and give them a decent shot at proper development....

They can hire a defensive minded coach to try and help instill proper defensive zone play, but they don't have the current group of forwards that can execute and transition from defense to offense on a consistent basis.....They're certainly not going to be able to trade their way to that roster, and most assets they do have to trade are draft picks or prospects....And their d corps has a few good pieces, but is still largely an unknown. They can't even plan how to address the d, as the top pairing d man is consistently hampered by injury.

Any way you look at it, I just don't see how they can even follow a logical plan

The Ellis trade was horrible. Ellis was and always will be a sidekick. Depending on him os a #1 go to is stupid. Only flyers would bank on that. Sorta like only flyers would offer package #13 +++ in deal for a marginal nhl player and give absolute horrible extension. This team sucks so bad. Defending ANY move is just crazy. They are biggest laughingstock possibly ever in hockey
- Stayin alive

You sound angry! Still peeved that your beloved Pens lost and have no chance at winning the Cup before their stars wilt into oblivion?

The Ellis trade was horrible. Ellis was and always will be a sidekick. Depending on him os a #1 go to is stupid. Only flyers would bank on that. Sorta like only flyers would offer package #13 +++ in deal for a marginal nhl player and give absolute horrible extension. This team sucks so bad. Defending ANY move is just crazy. They are biggest laughingstock possibly ever in hockey
- Stayin alive

It's a very short-sighted trade for sure....in an effort to make a change, he made a very high risk trade that has given the Flyers zero return so far, with the best outcome being you play without a top pairing d man for 20-30 games minimum each season....Who needs a top pairing d man on a consistent basis?

Given Poile's history, I don't know how red flags weren't flying for Fletcher and company. This is a guy who's dealt Weber, Kimmo, Jones, let Suter walk, cut bait on Subban... and came out unscathed on all of those moves. And now he can add how he foisted Ellis onto Fletcher to that list. It's embarrassingly bad for the Flyers.

Anyone else hate our uniforms and logo?

Rangers are kinda cool with the shadows.

I have no interest in moving on from Provorov unless you are getting the second coming of Nickolas Lidstrom, Chris Pronger, Drew Doughty or John Carlson. I’m not in favor of moving on from Hart but his lack of staying healthy by season’s end as a young guy is frustrating for me.

I get a feeling the Flyers are very high on Cam Atkinson. He’s 32, he went from having a pretty strong first half, to his production jumping off a cliff, even before injury. I look at his career stats and this season. One season was all I needed from Cam Atkinson. Unless you have Hall of fame numbers, I wanna go young. I would trade Atkinson while he has any value.

You fail to understand what culture is.

How teams prepare for games, what they eat, whether or not they party on nights before games, how they train and practice is all part of the culture.

Mackinnon enforces a strict healthy diet on the team. That is part of their culture.

Thornton in San Jose attended every optional skate (Exaggeration I know you get nitpicky about that). That in turn made younger players show up because they felt it was expected of them. That was San Jose's culture.

Flyers dont have Culture. Im sorry that is incorrect, The players do what they want when they want. Their culture is just show up and play

They eat what ever garbage they want.

Physical conditioning is not the top priority of this team, you can see it on a lot of the players.

Players pack it in when they are losing and give up. They are mentally fragile.

Players constantly coast in the defensive zone or dont backcheck

The Flyers dont play with Physicality or snarl they just get pushed around.

These are traits that lead to losing, not the other way around.

The young players come in and think this is acceptable

Im not saying the team needs to go full Hextall and force the players to do these thing but the leaders need to step up and lead by example. The players build the culture.

We need a culture where the players are expected to be their best
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I think you did a very good job of giving an example of what culture is on a team. I’m not at with the team on a daily basis but I haven’t read anything about those winning traits with this Flyers team in a long while. I hope they have a few young players that are still willing to buy into to a winning culture from some new veteran players this team acquires this off season.

This team fired their coach in November 2021 I can’t comprehend them saying they need TIME to build a coaches profile they are looking for.
What were they working of all that time?
How do other teams build coaches profiles?
How long does that take?
What has changed in hockey that needs this prolonged time to figure out what type of coach is needed. ( good communicator, develops talent, hold everyone accountable)

I would love to hear a behind closed doors conversations from other teams in the NHL about the Flyers coach selection process. I bet the other teams who are looking for a new coach appreciate the Flyers giving them to time to select who they want before the Flyers figure things out.

It’s depressing being a fan of this team.

Anyone else hate our uniforms and logo?

Rangers are kinda cool with the shadows.
- DrMidnite

Dear god, no. Flyers are one of the most iconic looks in the game. Especially after the original 6. Hell, I like Philly’s appearance better than a few of them, too.

Sure, there were a few mistakes along the way (adding silver to the logo, for example), but I really wouldn’t change it for the world.

Anyone else hate our uniforms and logo?
- DrMidnite

No

Rangers are kinda cool with the shadows.
- DrMidnite

I saw a different team. The only way you change the culture of a team is to improve the team. Winning changes the culture. A team lacking talent can only work so hard. Culture is a word thrown around here as if it is actually a factor. This team is not good not because of a bad culture with the players. It's bad because they lack talent. They're mismanaged and they have an archaic management that has no clue on how to build a hockey team in the modern day NHL
- MJL

Absolute dope. How many teams have won more than Toronto in regular season last 7 years. How many times have they made it out of the first round? Culture is not created by winning games. Culture is created before after in between games. Not suprised you don’t get that

I don't disagree that there are instances that occur such as failure to back check but I don't think that's due mainly to a work ethic issue.
- MJL

Right because you have to be good to back check & show effort 🤣 🤡

You sound angry! Still peeved that your beloved Pens lost and have no chance at winning the Cup before their stars wilt into oblivion?

- Phillywhiteout

I’m a canes fan. And a flames fan. And if you actually think pens lose that series if jarry was healthy you’re nuts.

No

- Bendecko

Seriously. I mean, I’m biased. I’m not gonna tell you I’m not. But the Flyers look has been lauded league wide. Perhaps it’s because it was established early as orange was a danger warning to opponent of the Bullies 50 years ago. Yeah, I know. It’s not that presently.

But best looks in hockey to me, and I’m even voting for teams who turn my stomach include (in no specific order) - Montreal, Toronto, Chicago, Philly, Detroit. Chicago and Detroit, I prefer the reds. Toronto I love the blues. Montreal and Philly are great all around.

St. Louis in their blues are pretty sharp, too.

And if we’re talkin classics teams, the Northstars, Nords, and Whale would qualify as pretty awesome.

Are we all resolved to this being a Torts redemption project, for bot he and the team alike?

It smells like it. I caught a whiff.

Anyone else hate our uniforms and logo?

Rangers are kinda cool with the shadows.
- DrMidnite

no...stop

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