Tarasenko also was available
- hello it's me 2050

The problem with Tarasenko is there is way too much risk for the money he makes. He is a great player with a great shot, when he is engaged. However there is just too much risk IMO that he can disengage just as easily, and that is what makes it tough to commit to a player like that. Credit Berube for doing an excellent job of getting his team bought in and engaged.

It's not looking at Provorov as the #1.
- MJL

The Flyers view him that way tho.

And I agree that they shouldn't throw him away for nothing or anything like that.

But like w/ Phaneuf and the Leafs, at some point there needs to be some exit strategy from Provorov-dependency. They gotta find their Morgan Reilly so they can start reducing Provy's role to something more appropriate to his abilities. Eventually trade him out when the timing's right.

He's not THE problem, but Provorov-dependency is part of the problem. No moving forward until that's addressed, IMO.

It's not looking at Provorov as the #1. It's looking at him as a defenseman playing on the top pairing with a similar player at that level. The problems were created by the Flyers lack of judgement and failure over the years to draft and develop enough defenseman.



Again, that's bad coaching and decision making by the Flyers. Not on Provorov as a player. Of course the results haven't been good. On his own in isolation he is not a true shut down defenseman. Combine it with the team's inability as a whole to possess the puck and attack more. Along with awful team defense and what do you get? Don't downgrade Provorov as a player because of bad team planning, coaching. etc.



Again, that would be on team management and not Provorov. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
- MJL

I agree completely on this. Yeo better not be anywhere near making or influencing a single decision about the defense. His coaching performance has been positively mind numbing! Fletcher has tried multiple times to sure up the defense personnel with Niskanen and then Ellis, but thus far has failed to provide stability to the top 4. His drafting of York may help next season and we just have to wait and see what happens with Ellis or an additional signing.

I simply don’t blame developing defenseman for not being able to carry a load that put too much on one, Provy, and not enough on another, Sanheim. I just blame Yeo, AV and Fletcher for not stepping in. Hopefully, the Flyers haven’t ruined either. Sanheim hasn’t been allowed to develop any PP skills that he may possess, but that is on decision-makers, not Provy. Sanheim is a year older than Provy, yet they have kept him from responsibility and helping carry the load. Now we have no idea how he would do with it. That has to stop moving forward. It is not a slight against either defenseman.

It's not looking at Provorov as the #1. It's looking at him as a defenseman playing on the top pairing with a similar player at that level. The problems were created by the Flyers lack of judgement and failure over the years to draft and develop enough defenseman.

- MJL

You're absolutely right .. Thanks Ron!

The Flyers view him that way tho.

And I agree that they shouldn't throw him away for nothing or anything like that.

But like w/ Phaneuf and the Leafs, at some point there needs to be some exit strategy from Provorov-dependency. They gotta find their Morgan Reilly so they can start reducing Provy's role to something more appropriate to his abilities. Eventually trade him out when the timing's right.

He's not THE problem, but Provorov-dependency is part of the problem. No moving forward until that's addressed, IMO.
- Tomahawk

A healthy Ellis fixes this problem IMO.

I thought Sanheim and Risto made a good pair, and playing with Risto allowed Sanheim to really come into his own this past season. I think the Flyers should extend Sanheim and leave this 2nd pairing alone, its the least of their problems right now.
- jd250

RR had nothing to do w/ Sanheim's season. He played even better when RR was out.

Chuck has made it hard on himself.

Remember when you said he shouldn't let Trotz leave the building? He is the perfect fit for this team? What has changed in 24 hours?
- hello it's me 2050

Nothing has changed .. I still like Trotz as long as his current goals reflect what he has been like in his career. However if he has decided he wants another kick of the can for a Cup, this is not the team for him at this point.

A healthy Ellis fixes this problem IMO.
- jd250

Too bad that doesn’t exist.

The problem with Tarasenko is there is way too much risk for the money he makes. He is a great player with a great shot, when he is engaged. However there is just too much risk IMO that he can disengage just as easily, and that is what makes it tough to commit to a player like that. Credit Berube for doing an excellent job of getting his team bought in and engaged.
- jd250

Too much risk lol. You kill me. Yet you love the ellis trade.

Plus his injuries were misdiagnosed or something to that effect where the team "messed" up. They found what was wrong and fixed it.

RR had nothing to do w/ Sanheim's season. He played even better when RR was out.
- Tomahawk

It comes down to whether you believe you eyes or a subset of advanced metrics.

Nothing has changed .. I still like Trotz as long as his current goals reflect what he has been like in his career. However if he has decided he wants another kick of the can for a Cup, this is not the team for him at this point.
- jd250

When is Barry coming in for the interview?

It comes down to whether you believe you eyes or a subset of advanced metrics.
- jd250

I believe my eyes and advanced stats.

I don't particularly trust your eyes tho lol

The problem with Tarasenko is there is way too much risk for the money he makes. He is a great player with a great shot, when he is engaged. However there is just too much risk IMO that he can disengage just as easily, and that is what makes it tough to commit to a player like that. Credit Berube for doing an excellent job of getting his team bought in and engaged.
- jd250

Tarasenko's contract is up after next year. He was available both to Seattle and via trade. He is the high end talent we keep hearing about that the Flyers need, is he not? He was an established 30-40 goal scorer long before Berube arrived. The risk with him was always about his shoulder which has held up pretty damn well.

I believe my eyes and advanced stats.

I don't particularly trust your eyes tho lol
- Tomahawk

Fair enough :-)

It comes down to whether you believe you eyes or a subset of advanced metrics.
- jd250

Can you believe both?

Fair enough :-)
- jd250

You're a good sport

Tarasenko's contract is up after next year. He was available both to Seattle and via trade. He is the high end talent we keep hearing about that the Flyers need, is he not? He was an established 30-40 goal scorer long before Berube arrived. The risk with him was always about his shoulder which has held up pretty damn well.
- TobyFlenderson

He is high end talent, not doubt, which the Flyers desperately need. However he is also 30 years old so the question is, do you want the Flyers to commit a significant amount of cap space on an aging sniper? I would prefer they get younger and try to develop their version of Tarasenko.

You're a good sport
- Tomahawk

Thanks! I always look forward to your posts, even if I sometimes don't agree with them. You are one of the more knowledgeable posters on this forum and I appreciate it.

What does Torts have to do with Trotz? I love Trotz and I do believe he is a good choice for the Flyers, because unlike Torts, Trotz has proven he can stick with a team and grow with a young core of players. He has done it in the past. Torts has demonstrated the opposite IMO.

So I know you continually try to be a forum clown and try to throw words against me and others, and its sad because you seem like a smart guy. I wish you would spend your energy contributing to the discussion instead of just trying to zing people all the time.
- jd250

It's not a good look for you to call others a forum clown when you continually post uninformed and inaccurate information. Tortorella took over a TB team that was among the dregs in the league and coached them for 7 seasons and won a Stanley Cup. Lecavalier credits Tortorella with making him into the player he became. He also took over Columbus and was there for 6 seasons and improved that team also.

When is Barry coming in for the interview?
- hello it's me 2050

I hear this week.

He is high end talent, not doubt, which the Flyers desperately need. However he is also 30 years old so the question is, do you want the Flyers to commit a significant amount of cap space on an aging sniper? I would prefer they get younger and try to develop their version of Tarasenko.
- jd250

Remember Ryan Ellis?

I hear this week.
- jd250

week is almost over and I doubt anyone is coming in on a holiday weekend Friday.

What do you think is the holdup?

Remember Ryan Ellis?
- hello it's me 2050

Ah, defensemen are a different breed. You can have a defenseman that plays at a high level well into their 30s, if they are a healthy of course.

I thought Sanheim and Risto made a good pair, and playing with Risto allowed Sanheim to really come into his own this past season. I think the Flyers should extend Sanheim and leave this 2nd pairing alone, its the least of their problems right now.
- jd250

You still believe that Ristolainen had something to do with Sanheim's positive play. Not sure how much information you actually need to come to the correct conclusion.

week is almost over and I doubt anyone is coming in on a holiday weekend Friday.

What do you think is the holdup?
- hello it's me 2050

I don't know what the issue might be, I have not mowed Fletcher's lawn recently to find out.