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JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jun 27 @ 10:43 AM ET
The guy has essentially taken last 3 months off! Worst GM in the league.
- TheUltimateJet


Cue the Chevy excuse makers in 3... 2... 1...
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Jun 27 @ 6:34 PM ET
This so called "toxic" dressing room has to get addressed ASAP !

TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 27 @ 11:32 PM ET
This so called "toxic" dressing room has to get addressed ASAP !
- bennythehat


It seems that there has always been a “toxic” element to the dressing room ever since this team relocated from Atlanta to Winnipeg.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jun 28 @ 3:08 PM ET
It seems that there has always been a “toxic” element to the dressing room ever since this team relocated from Atlanta to Winnipeg.
- TheUltimateJet


Ladd and Wheeler were terrible leaders, still effecting the room all these years later.
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Jun 28 @ 4:23 PM ET
I'm okay with giving up Heinola to sweeten a trade involving Wheeler.

Would the Jets dare to draft a Russian this year ?
It would not likely be a popular move with Manitoba's Ukrainian community.

I am surprised that Paul MacLean's name has not come up for the coaching position.





2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jun 28 @ 5:46 PM ET
I'm okay with giving up Heinola to sweeten a trade involving Wheeler.

Would the Jets dare to draft a Russian this year ?
It would not likely be a popular move with Manitoba's Ukrainian community.

I am surprised that Paul MacLean's name has not come up for the coaching position.

- bennythehat


this is an offseason to make only the obvious (for cap or hockey reasons) and necessary (room cancers) moves. True player evaluation can only happen after a new coach arrives, gets buy in from team and leadership, and time for players to settle down and settle in. then we evaluate and consider bigger moves. I don't want to see talent shipped out unless we are confident of why that talent should be moved along.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 28 @ 6:42 PM ET
Ladd and Wheeler were terrible leaders, still effecting the room all these years later.
- JetFuel


This I can get behind. I always felt there was substance behind Gary Lawless’s article about “The Atlanta 5”. One remains and now is a top 3 trade target.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jun 29 @ 1:15 PM ET
This I can get behind. I always felt there was substance behind Gary Lawless’s article about “The Atlanta 5”. One remains and now is a top 3 trade target.
- TheUltimateJet


Ultimate - can you find a link to the article? I have heard it referenced a few times but have only ever seen good press for the core that came from Atlanta.
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Jun 29 @ 2:27 PM ET
Ultimate - can you find a link to the article? I have heard it referenced a few times but have only ever seen good press for the core that came from Atlanta.
- 2.0


Until someone is willing to break from the clique and demand more from his peers, the Winnipeg Jets will continue to be losers.

The current leadership group has allowed itself to stagnate. To hover around .500 and to accept mediocrity.

We've seen it this week, with the Jets supplying a superior effort in a win over the New York Rangers and then playing soft, uninspired hockey in a loss to the dreadful Florida Panthers. They know they are better than their record but they're unwilling to push one another to the next level. They're a comfortable little club and they're going nowhere.

Effective leaders don't stand idle when their peers are inconsistent. Players can demand more from one another in the most effective of ways. In three years we have not seen this from the Winnipeg Jets core leadership group.

Guys like Olli Jokinen and Mark Stuart know the right way and it's great when they voice their opinion, but if there's to be change, it must come from higher up.

There is a hierarchy in the Jets dressing room and at the top is a group of players who bonded together in Atlanta. Those friendships are taking precedence over results and they are rotting away any chance of success for the Jets.

Andrew Ladd, Blake Wheeler, Bryan Little, Toby Enstrom and Dustin Byfuglien. All talented, all well-paid and secure. And all at the top of an underachieving team.

About five years ago, the Toronto Maple Leafs had "The Muskoka 5," a group of players that held their inner sanctum's interests above those of the team. That group was comprised of five key players: captain Matts Sundin, Darcy Tucker, Bryan McCabe, Thomas Kaberle and Pavel Kubina. "Muskoka 5" implied these players were comfortable merely playing out the season and spending the summers in lake country.

Here in Winnipeg, we have the Atlanta Association. A clubby set where calling one another out is forbidden.

Don't tell me Ladd can't see the difference in the work ethic and will to win between this group and those he won Stanley Cups with in Carolina and Chicago. Ladd is both perceptive and a player, who for the most part, personifies the characteristics required to win. He works hard at practice, goes to the tough areas on the ice and is willing to put his body into the action. Maybe he has his off nights, but if the Jets had 10 Andrew Ladds they'd be a playoff team.

And I don't think Ladd is a bad captain. But I have to question whether he's the right man for this situation.

Ladd isn't the problem. But he hasn't been able to effect a solution. Given a couple of veterans who could demand respect in the room and push for change, Ladd might succeed.

But his support group isn't helping him. They don't have the personalities for it and it's not going to change.

Good people? Sure. But leaders? The type to stand up and tell his best friend he's not getting it done? Nope.

Last season, Winnipeg fans watched Byfuglien's weight balloon before their very eyes. It wasn't until coach Claude Noel yanked GM Kevin Cheveldayoff into the fray anything changed. The players just repeated their mantra of what a "special talent" Byfgulien is.

This year, it's Wheeler playing like a point guard and firing up one three-pointer after another. The crease? That's something in Wheeler's pants, not an area on the ice with which he's familiar.

Byfuglien has for the most part eliminated the fitness issues, but still plays the game like he's on a pond in his native Minnesota. Is Byfuglien an all-star this season? Most likely. But the defensive lapses will prevent him from achieving Norris Trophy consideration.

Coaches have been nudging Byfuglien in the right direction his entire career, and he's made strides. But what would a push from a teammate do for him? Sadly, we don't have that answer.

Wheeler has all the talent to be a top-end player, but needs to be constantly pushed to perform like a big man and not a perimeter player. He's never going to be a banger or a fighter and that's not what anyone should expect.

Wheeler has to go to the net, however, and needs to be in the middle of the ice, fighting traffic. No doubt the coaches have told him this. But the difference between Perry Pearn showing him something on video and Ladd or Little leaning into his ear on the bench and setting him straight is vast. So too would be the results.

There's an old-school mentality missing from this group. The Chicago Blackhawks have it. So do the Boston Bruins. A group of players that demand the most from one another. By the time Hawks coach Joel Quenneville starts beefing about somebody's work, the player has already heard about it from the next stall.

Jacob Trouba has this steel, but at 19 and less than 20 games into his NHL career, it's a little early to expect him to stand up and force his teammates to be accountable. There will be an evolution in terms of leadership with the Jets, and Trouba will one day captain this team. He'll have the support of Zach Bogosian, and together they'll demand a higher, more consistent effort.

But it's not happening today. The results prove otherwise. The Jets don't expect one another to bring it each and every night.

Neither should you.

[email][email protected][/email] Twitter: @garylawless
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jun 29 @ 5:35 PM ET
Until someone is willing to break from the clique and demand more from his peers, the Winnipeg Jets will continue to be losers.

The current leadership group has allowed itself to stagnate. To hover around .500 and to accept mediocrity.

We've seen it this week, with the Jets supplying a superior effort in a win over the New York Rangers and then playing soft, uninspired hockey in a loss to the dreadful Florida Panthers. They know they are better than their record but they're unwilling to push one another to the next level. They're a comfortable little club and they're going nowhere.

Effective leaders don't stand idle when their peers are inconsistent. Players can demand more from one another in the most effective of ways. In three years we have not seen this from the Winnipeg Jets core leadership group.

Guys like Olli Jokinen and Mark Stuart know the right way and it's great when they voice their opinion, but if there's to be change, it must come from higher up.

There is a hierarchy in the Jets dressing room and at the top is a group of players who bonded together in Atlanta. Those friendships are taking precedence over results and they are rotting away any chance of success for the Jets.

Andrew Ladd, Blake Wheeler, Bryan Little, Toby Enstrom and Dustin Byfuglien. All talented, all well-paid and secure. And all at the top of an underachieving team.

About five years ago, the Toronto Maple Leafs had "The Muskoka 5," a group of players that held their inner sanctum's interests above those of the team. That group was comprised of five key players: captain Matts Sundin, Darcy Tucker, Bryan McCabe, Thomas Kaberle and Pavel Kubina. "Muskoka 5" implied these players were comfortable merely playing out the season and spending the summers in lake country.

Here in Winnipeg, we have the Atlanta Association. A clubby set where calling one another out is forbidden.

Don't tell me Ladd can't see the difference in the work ethic and will to win between this group and those he won Stanley Cups with in Carolina and Chicago. Ladd is both perceptive and a player, who for the most part, personifies the characteristics required to win. He works hard at practice, goes to the tough areas on the ice and is willing to put his body into the action. Maybe he has his off nights, but if the Jets had 10 Andrew Ladds they'd be a playoff team.

And I don't think Ladd is a bad captain. But I have to question whether he's the right man for this situation.

Ladd isn't the problem. But he hasn't been able to effect a solution. Given a couple of veterans who could demand respect in the room and push for change, Ladd might succeed.

But his support group isn't helping him. They don't have the personalities for it and it's not going to change.

Good people? Sure. But leaders? The type to stand up and tell his best friend he's not getting it done? Nope.

Last season, Winnipeg fans watched Byfuglien's weight balloon before their very eyes. It wasn't until coach Claude Noel yanked GM Kevin Cheveldayoff into the fray anything changed. The players just repeated their mantra of what a "special talent" Byfgulien is.

This year, it's Wheeler playing like a point guard and firing up one three-pointer after another. The crease? That's something in Wheeler's pants, not an area on the ice with which he's familiar.

Byfuglien has for the most part eliminated the fitness issues, but still plays the game like he's on a pond in his native Minnesota. Is Byfuglien an all-star this season? Most likely. But the defensive lapses will prevent him from achieving Norris Trophy consideration.

Coaches have been nudging Byfuglien in the right direction his entire career, and he's made strides. But what would a push from a teammate do for him? Sadly, we don't have that answer.

Wheeler has all the talent to be a top-end player, but needs to be constantly pushed to perform like a big man and not a perimeter player. He's never going to be a banger or a fighter and that's not what anyone should expect.

Wheeler has to go to the net, however, and needs to be in the middle of the ice, fighting traffic. No doubt the coaches have told him this. But the difference between Perry Pearn showing him something on video and Ladd or Little leaning into his ear on the bench and setting him straight is vast. So too would be the results.

There's an old-school mentality missing from this group. The Chicago Blackhawks have it. So do the Boston Bruins. A group of players that demand the most from one another. By the time Hawks coach Joel Quenneville starts beefing about somebody's work, the player has already heard about it from the next stall.

Jacob Trouba has this steel, but at 19 and less than 20 games into his NHL career, it's a little early to expect him to stand up and force his teammates to be accountable. There will be an evolution in terms of leadership with the Jets, and Trouba will one day captain this team. He'll have the support of Zach Bogosian, and together they'll demand a higher, more consistent effort.

But it's not happening today. The results prove otherwise. The Jets don't expect one another to bring it each and every night.

Neither should you.


- bennythehat[email][email protected][/email] Twitter: @garylawless


Thanks for finding the article bennythehat. It is a scathing evaluation of the atlanta core. Its odd that though there is only one of the five remaining with the jets the current criticism is 180° turn from the lawless critique. Wheeler has been accused by some of pushing too hard, being relentless in prodding teammates to be excellent. His play hasn't been perimeter play as he (aging aside) has played with more consistent effort/engagement than some other stars on the team.

The current dialogue on Wheeler is that he is a bully in the ear of his teammates too much and not someone who is laisse-faire in leadership.

Everything we see about the team is smoke and mirrors - we really don't know for sure anything about anything.


TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 29 @ 7:50 PM ET
Thanks for finding the article bennythehat. It is a scathing evaluation of the atlanta core. Its odd that though there is only one of the five remaining with the jets the current criticism is 180° turn from the lawless critique. Wheeler has been accused by some of pushing too hard, being relentless in prodding teammates to be excellent. His play hasn't been perimeter play as he (aging aside) has played with more consistent effort/engagement than some other stars on the team.

The current dialogue on Wheeler is that he is a bully in the ear of his teammates too much and not someone who is laisse-faire in leadership.

Everything we see about the team is smoke and mirrors - we really don't know for sure anything about anything.

- 2.0


Thanks Benny for putting up the article!

Further to your point 2.0, the bullying behaviour these players bought to the dressing room definitely has affected the team. Who is to say that players like Scheifele, Morrissey, Ehlers, Connor, Hellebyuck, Dubois and now possibly new guys like Heinola and Perfetti will become the new bullies in the locker room.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jun 30 @ 12:05 PM ET
Thanks Benny for putting up the article!

Further to your point 2.0, the bullying behaviour these players bought to the dressing room definitely has affected the team. Who is to say that players like Scheifele, Morrissey, Ehlers, Connor, Hellebyuck, Dubois and now possibly new guys like Heinola and Perfetti will become the new bullies in the locker room.

- TheUltimateJet


I'm not getting your point Ultimate. The story was about how the atlanta 5 were too passive in leadership, bullying was not mentioned and seemed as though something resembling bullying would have been more welcomed by lawless than the absence of accountability written about. As for the next gen leadership they will have to figure it out. at times there is a fine line between leadership and bullying.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 30 @ 7:46 PM ET
I'm not getting your point Ultimate. The story was about how the atlanta 5 were too passive in leadership, bullying was not mentioned and seemed as though something resembling bullying would have been more welcomed by lawless than the absence of accountability written about. As for the next gen leadership they will have to figure it out. at times there is a fine line between leadership and bullying.
- 2.0


I am just worried about the effects of past behaviour on future behaviour. I guess I did not explain that properly.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jun 30 @ 9:09 PM ET
Sounds like Montgomery is going to Boston, he was the only one of the guys they interviewed that I thought was worth hiring for the head coach job, won't be surprised when Chipman and Chevy screw this up, hopefully not though and maybe they hire Brunette who'd be interesting especially since Florida let him go and hired Maurice.... Heard the Jets have talked to Blashill... 🤮
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jul 1 @ 1:23 PM ET
Dreger is reporting the Jets are hiring Bowness, Ugh just another retread with ties to the organization, what a bad hire by incompetent "hockey" people and an owner that's clinging to glory days that weren't even filled with glory... 🙄

bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Jul 3 @ 9:16 AM ET
Wondering how much Jets news is needed to get a new blog started.....Jacob ?
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jul 3 @ 3:42 PM ET
Wondering how much Jets news is needed to get a new blog started.....Jacob ?
- bennythehat


Ha! Yup I was wondering the same thing, there's been at least three pretty big Jets news stories in the last couple weeks yet we're still going off of this thread which is from May 25th.

The draft is just four days away, really hope there's a blockbuster trade on Thursday and Dubois is gone to another team for a 1st++, good riddance!!!
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