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RajaAmpat
Joined: 12.16.2018

Jun 1 @ 7:41 PM ET
Lol we’re like 2 gms away. One to dismantle this cluster(frank) and the other to finish up the job the first one started
- PhillaBully


Bring on Ragnar as coach, Floki to run the PP, Ivar the Boneless to coach the PK and Lagertha as the GM...
rayc16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Free Frosty
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 1 @ 8:01 PM ET
I prefer TNT
Joe Nardone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Medicine Hat
Joined: 07.05.2018

Jun 1 @ 8:11 PM ET
Tough call. There's guys I'd want gone like Ristolainen but a. No one wants him.b. if you could find a taker it's for pennies on the dollar.

I'm sick of Hayes but again, no takers. I'm biting the bullet of one more year of JVR.

Sorry if it felt like I dodged the question. The guys I want moved are unmovable.

- Pelle31Forever


I suppose 7 other GMs offering a 1st plus for him last offseason does not impact your opinion that no one wants him?

He pretty much played as advertised.

But hey not every dman we have is as good as our perennial Norris candidate, Provorov.

SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 1 @ 8:30 PM ET
I suppose 7 other GMs offering a 1st plus for him last offseason does not impact your opinion that no one wants him?

He pretty much played as advertised.

But hey not every dman we have is as good as our perennial Norris candidate, Provorov.

- Joe Nardone

Ristolainen is movable. I know it, you know it. Fletcher wants him here. I’m fine with him being here but most of our fans are being over dramatic and speaking as if we’re stuck with him. I’ll give him another full season before rushing to judgement. The entire team was lackluster from top to bottom.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 1 @ 8:33 PM ET
I'd be surprised if a contending team would take on JVR for a full season. The cap is really tight for most contending teams so even with 50% retained, it's a tough sell. Far more likely if he has a decent season to be a deadline deal.
- MJL

Now this is more logical thinking. Unless something big is in the works (I doubt it), I’d hang on to JvR until the next deadline and get something for him.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Jun 1 @ 8:35 PM ET
I suppose 7 other GMs offering a 1st plus for him last offseason does not impact your opinion that no one wants him?

He pretty much played as advertised.

But hey not every dman we have is as good as our perennial Norris candidate, Provorov.

- Joe Nardone


Sure there was
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 1 @ 9:26 PM ET
I suppose 7 other GMs offering a 1st plus for him last offseason does not impact your opinion that no one wants him?

He pretty much played as advertised.

But hey not every dman we have is as good as our perennial Norris candidate, Provorov.

- Joe Nardone


He did play pretty much as advertised. Overwhelmingly mediocre. That's the problem. Let those other 7 GM's take him.
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jun 1 @ 9:42 PM ET
In my view you look at what support structure you need to keep in place. For me, that's Couturier, Konecny , Laughton, Provorov and Sanheim. The rest you fill in with young players and prospects. Not that those players are untouchable but you just can't empty the cup board completely.

Like you said though. There's difficulty in moving players.

- MJL

Farabee doesn’t make your list?

Or do you put him as one of the few assets Hilly could actually fetch something for?

I’d put him on my short list. At 22, I’ve seen what he can do, and I think he’s worth keeping in orange.
fishbulb
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.28.2009

Jun 1 @ 9:42 PM ET
Jeez. The 'kid line' for the rangers just globe-trotted the bolts. Might not continue but it was neat to see.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 1 @ 9:48 PM ET
Farabee doesn’t make your list?

Or do you put him as one of the few assets Hilly could actually fetch something for?

I’d put him on my short list. At 22, I’ve seen what he can do, and I think he’s worth keeping in orange.

- Hesh_


He falls in the young player category.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 1 @ 9:58 PM ET
Another horrible pickup by Drury, Frank Vatrano. That guy really doesn’t know what he’s doing as a GM
rayc16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Free Frosty
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 1 @ 10:00 PM ET
Jeez. The 'kid line' for the rangers just globe-trotted the bolts. Might not continue but it was neat to see.
- fishbulb

They’ve been pretty good so far in these playoffs. No reason to think they won’t continue but I do expect the bolts to be better and win the series.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 1 @ 10:04 PM ET
They’ve been pretty good so far in these playoffs. No reason to think they won’t continue but I do expect the bolts to be better and win the series.
- rayc16


Seems like some rust with TB with not playing for 9 games. When or if all 3 of those guys take off, Rangers will be a juggernaut.
rayc16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Free Frosty
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 1 @ 10:07 PM ET
Seems like some rust with TB with not playing for 9 games. When or if all 3 of those guys take off, Rangers will be a juggernaut.
- MJL

Rags future is in good shape. That’s very unfortunate.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 1 @ 10:13 PM ET
Shesterkin trying to draw a penalty.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 1 @ 10:22 PM ET
Farabee doesn’t make your list?

Or do you put him as one of the few assets Hilly could actually fetch something for?

I’d put him on my short list. At 22, I’ve seen what he can do, and I think he’s worth keeping in orange.

- Hesh_

My top two guys I would trade right now but I think the organization are super high on are Cam Atkinson and Scott Laughton. Watching Atkinson go neck and neck was Voracek at his price tag was nice until he got hurt but the reality is, Jake is not only the better player but the healthier player. As for Laughton, I think he brings more value to a contender than an underachieving team such as this one. Neither guy we should retain salary on.
rayc16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Free Frosty
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 1 @ 10:25 PM ET
My top two guys I would trade right now but I think the organization are super high on are Cam Atkinson and Scott Laughton. Watching Atkinson go neck and neck was Voracek at his price tag was nice until he got hurt but the reality is, Jake is not only the better player but the healthier player. As for Laughton, I think he brings more value to a contender than an underachieving team such as this one. Neither guy we should retain salary on.
- SuperSchennBros


Not sure if the stats prove it out but Cam seemed to be less productive once G got traded, even before he got injured.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 1 @ 10:29 PM ET
Not sure if the stats prove it out but Cam seemed to be less productive once G got traded, even before he got injured.
- rayc16

He looked best with Brassard and once Brassard got hurt or traded, his production dropped without Brassard in the line up.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jun 1 @ 11:39 PM ET
My top two guys I would trade right now but I think the organization are super high on are Cam Atkinson and Scott Laughton. Watching Atkinson go neck and neck was Voracek at his price tag was nice until he got hurt but the reality is, Jake is not only the better player but the healthier player. As for Laughton, I think he brings more value to a contender than an underachieving team such as this one. Neither guy we should retain salary on.
- SuperSchennBros
Once again I disagree with your take. Jake isn't really a better player. How many goals did Jake have this year? Jake is healthier cause he spends most of his games playing on the perimeter. Cam actually goes into the dirty areas to score goals. Unfortunately that brings on the increased chances of injury(especially with his size), but to state that Jake is simply the better player makes no sense at all.

On another note, I believe I mentioned that the Rags' kid line scares me. Wa la, there was the example tonight. They are bringing an element that makes the Rags very dangerous. My thinking is that the Bolts were rusty and this was a game the Rags were going to win, but if the Rags win game 2....look out. Go Avs!!

Forgot to mention Laughts. He is just a very strange player to me. At times he looks like a 25-30 goal scorer and then he completely goes MIA for 30 games. He's just a strange player to get a read on. Don't care if he stays or goes to be honest, but then again I could say that about most players on this sad sack team. I don't even have the energy to discuss this team cause it's all been talked about. I'm enjoying watching real hockey! The Flyers suck. Thanks!

Damn, one more thing on this late night ramble session(no I'm not drinking). The first player on my hit list is TK. Trade him to LA for some of their young talent. I've seen enough of his lazy play and not bearing down. Lots of ability, but it seems when he spends all his time yapping at the other team it takes him off his own game. Time to move on! I mean, JVR is obvious, but no one is taking him unless you retain a good bit of salary and that makes the trade worthless.
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Jun 2 @ 2:16 AM ET
Once again I disagree with your take. Jake isn't really a better player. How many goals did Jake have this year? Jake is healthier cause he spends most of his games playing on the perimeter. Cam actually goes into the dirty areas to score goals. Unfortunately that brings on the increased chances of injury(especially with his size), but to state that Jake is simply the better player makes no sense at all.

On another note, I believe I mentioned that the Rags' kid line scares me. Wa la, there was the example tonight. They are bringing an element that makes the Rags very dangerous. My thinking is that the Bolts were rusty and this was a game the Rags were going to win, but if the Rags win game 2....look out. Go Avs!!

Forgot to mention Laughts. He is just a very strange player to me. At times he looks like a 25-30 goal scorer and then he completely goes MIA for 30 games. He's just a strange player to get a read on. Don't care if he stays or goes to be honest, but then again I could say that about most players on this sad sack team. I don't even have the energy to discuss this team cause it's all been talked about. I'm enjoying watching real hockey! The Flyers suck. Thanks!

Damn, one more thing on this late night ramble session(no I'm not drinking). The first player on my hit list is TK. Trade him to LA for some of their young talent. I've seen enough of his lazy play and not bearing down. Lots of ability, but it seems when he spends all his time yapping at the other team it takes him off his own game. Time to move on! I mean, JVR is obvious, but no one is taking him unless you retain a good bit of salary and that makes the trade worthless.

- Phillywhiteout

"Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah... I don't even have the energy to discuss this team... Thanks! More Blah Blah Blah..."

Oh, the irony!



BTW, any chance this happens to be you?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VpIQcho3Fw
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jun 2 @ 5:45 AM ET
"Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah... I don't even have the energy to discuss this team... Thanks! More Blah Blah Blah..."

Oh, the irony!



BTW, any chance this happens to be you?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VpIQcho3Fw

- Bendecko
You are one weird phuck. What are you even doing here? You come on here with all this off the wall shyte that isn't the least bit funny. Adults are speaking. Why don't you go play with your Humpty Dumpty doll in whatever asylum you are currently residing in? Thanks so much!!
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 2 @ 6:14 AM ET
Bring on Ragnar as coach, Floki to run the PP, Ivar the Boneless to coach the PK and Lagertha as the GM...
- RajaAmpat


Barbarians!!
Ahhh
We are the sons of Ragnar!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 2 @ 7:28 AM ET
Ristolainen is movable. I know it, you know it. Fletcher wants him here. I’m fine with him being here but most of our fans are being over dramatic and speaking as if we’re stuck with him. I’ll give him another full season before rushing to judgement. The entire team was lackluster from top to bottom.
- SuperSchennBros

100% agree. Let's see how Risto does on a team with a competent coaching staff. He will never will a top-pairing defenseman, but the good news is he is not being paid as if he is.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 7:41 AM ET
Once again I disagree with your take. Jake isn't really a better player. How many goals did Jake have this year? Jake is healthier cause he spends most of his games playing on the perimeter. Cam actually goes into the dirty areas to score goals. Unfortunately that brings on the increased chances of injury(especially with his size), but to state that Jake is simply the better player makes no sense at all.


- Phillywhiteout


Stating that Voracek is a player that stays on the perimeter is nonsense. That's just made up on your part. So Voracek is a playmaker and Atkinson is a goal scorer. Voracek ranked in the top 20 in the NHL in assists. Atkinson was 95th in the league in goals scored. To be fair, he would've ranked a little higher if not for injury. Atkinson is the better off the puck player but that aspect of his game is not enough to tilt the scale. Voracek makes more of an impact on the game for his team. So saying that Voracek is better makes no sense. Makes no sense. Thanks




MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 2 @ 7:43 AM ET
100% agree. Let's see how Risto does on a team with a competent coaching staff. He will never will a top-pairing defenseman, but the good news is he is not being paid as if he is.
- jd250



So another year of let's see how Ristolainen does with a ……………

Old saying, fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I'd settle for Ristolainen being a good second pair defenseman. Unfortunately, he's more of a 3rd pair defenseman. He's make a pretty good 3rd pair defenseman. Unfortunately, he makes too much money for that.
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