100% agree. Let's see how Risto does on a team with a competent coaching staff. He will never will a top-pairing defenseman, but the good news is he is not being paid as if he is.
- jd250

It's not so much the money as it is the 5 years.

I suppose 7 other GMs offering a 1st plus for him last offseason does not impact your opinion that no one wants him?

He pretty much played as advertised.

But hey not every dman we have is as good as our perennial Norris candidate, Provorov.
- Joe Nardone

That he did. funny thing is you think that is a good thing.

What 7 teams in your opinion would be interested in RR at this tine with a 6 year 5.1 per contract?

Seems like some rust with TB with not playing for 9 games. When or if all 3 of those guys take off, Rangers will be a juggernaut.
- MJL

Who won the 5 on 5 battle last night Cliff?

100% agree. Let's see how Risto does on a team with a competent coaching staff. He will never will a top-pairing defenseman, but the good news is he is not being paid as if he is.
- jd250

RR is a coach killer....

Stating that Voracek is a player that stays on the perimeter is nonsense. That's just made up on your part. So Voracek is a playmaker and Atkinson is a goal scorer. Voracek ranked in the top 20 in the NHL in assists. Atkinson was 95th in the league in goals scored. To be fair, he would've ranked a little higher if not for injury. Atkinson is the better off the puck player but that aspect of his game is not enough to tilt the scale. Voracek makes more of an impact on the game for his team. So saying that Voracek is better makes no sense. Makes no sense. Thanks
- MJL

We obviously have differing opinions on Voracek. Quite frankly I've never liked his game and never thought he was worth the 8 mil a year he was being paid. I think he is a talented hockey player, but I think he was part of the country club atmosphere in Philly. Perhaps technically Voracek is the better player, but I'd rather have a guy like Atkinson on my team in a heart beat.

We obviously have differing opinions on Voracek. Quite frankly I've never liked his game and never thought he was worth the 8 mil a year he was being paid. I think he is a talented hockey player, but I think he was part of the country club atmosphere in Philly. Perhaps technically Voracek is the better player, but I'd rather have a guy like Atkinson on my team in a heart beat.
- Phillywhiteout

Imagine giving players 8 year deals for 8 million and the like. Then not building around them. Baffling.

We obviously have differing opinions on Voracek. Quite frankly I've never liked his game and never thought he was worth the 8 mil a year he was being paid. I think he is a talented hockey player, but I think he was part of the country club atmosphere in Philly. Perhaps technically Voracek is the better player, but I'd rather have a guy like Atkinson on my team in a heart beat.
- Phillywhiteout

So in other words, your opinion that saying that Voracek is the better player is nonsense is the equivalent of picking your favorite color. Just because.

So in other words, your opinion that saying that Voracek is the better player is nonsense is the equivalent of picking your favorite color. Just because.
- MJL

How was the rangers 5 on 5 play last night?

So in other words, your opinion that saying that Voracek is the better player is nonsense is the equivalent of picking your favorite color. Just because.
- MJL

No, you are misunderstanding me. While Voracek may have more natural ability I think Atkinson is the better all around hockey player and I'd rather have him on my team than country club Jakey.

How was the rangers 5 on 5 play last night?
- hello it's me 2050

No, you are misunderstanding me. While Voracek may have more natural ability I think Atkinson is the better all around hockey player and I'd rather have him on my team than country club Jakey.
- Phillywhiteout

No, I'm not misunderstanding you at all. It's your comment that saying Voracek as the better player is nonsense. Voracek is more elite at his strengths than Atkinson is at his. So while you make like Atkinson better. Telling someone that their opinion was nonsense was in fact nonsense. Thanks

Imagine giving players 8 year deals for 8 million and the like. Then not building around them. Baffling.
- hello it's me 2050

Not only not building around them, but trading Schenn for picks who wont contribute for years, and trading for umberger while dishing out those contracts were baffling.

Imagine giving players 8 year deals for 8 million and the like. Then not building around them. Baffling.
- hello it's me 2050

So thinking about the flyers would you sign Gaudreau if he really wants to come to Philly? I feel like this could be kind of like Panarin wanting to go to NY. I think you can rebuild this while also aquring players that can help you move through the rebuild or retool or whatever word we want to use.

I think you can make moves to help your team now and the future. Like Konecny has value, would a team closer to contention move a younger player to get a former all-star? I saw an article the Kings could listen on Durzi, Iafallo and Valardi to get a top line winger? Would Konecny fit there?

I get the doom and gloom but I also feel that there are ways to go about this without mortgaging picks and prospects while also reshaping the roster.

Once again I disagree with your take. Jake isn't really a better player. How many goals did Jake have this year? Jake is healthier cause he spends most of his games playing on the perimeter. Cam actually goes into the dirty areas to score goals. Unfortunately that brings on the increased chances of injury(especially with his size), but to state that Jake is simply the better player makes no sense at all.

On another note, I believe I mentioned that the Rags' kid line scares me. Wa la, there was the example tonight. They are bringing an element that makes the Rags very dangerous. My thinking is that the Bolts were rusty and this was a game the Rags were going to win, but if the Rags win game 2....look out. Go Avs!!

Forgot to mention Laughts. He is just a very strange player to me. At times he looks like a 25-30 goal scorer and then he completely goes MIA for 30 games. He's just a strange player to get a read on. Don't care if he stays or goes to be honest, but then again I could say that about most players on this sad sack team. I don't even have the energy to discuss this team cause it's all been talked about. I'm enjoying watching real hockey! The Flyers suck. Thanks!

Damn, one more thing on this late night ramble session(no I'm not drinking). The first player on my hit list is TK. Trade him to LA for some of their young talent. I've seen enough of his lazy play and not bearing down. Lots of ability, but it seems when he spends all his time yapping at the other team it takes him off his own game. Time to move on! I mean, JVR is obvious, but no one is taking him unless you retain a good bit of salary and that makes the trade worthless.
- Phillywhiteout

You don’t have the energy to discuss this team and yet you type a 4 paragraph Monologue? Also within your Exhaustion, did you actually lose the brain cells to actually have a proper grasp on two very different players? One of who drives play with elite level talent, the other not so much.

https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1532033509791088640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1532033509791088640%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

No college for Owen?
- hello it's me 2050

north dakota he will be playing for , the contract offer is procedural to maintain his contractual rights going forward

You don’t have the energy to discuss this team and yet you type a 4 paragraph Monologue? Also within your Exhaustion, did you actually lose the brain cells to actually have a proper grasp on two very different players? One of who drives play with elite level talent, the other not so much.
- SuperSchennBros

NO ONE on the current Flyers team drives play with elite level talent and please oh please don't insinuate that Jakey is elite in any way cause he's not. And thanks!

So thinking about the flyers would you sign Gaudreau if he really wants to come to Philly? I feel like this could be kind of like Panarin wanting to go to NY. I think you can rebuild this while also aquring players that can help you move through the rebuild or retool or whatever word we want to use.

I think you can make moves to help your team now and the future. Like Konecny has value, would a team closer to contention move a younger player to get a former all-star? I saw an article the Kings could listen on Durzi, Iafallo and Valardi to get a top line winger? Would Konecny fit there?

I get the doom and gloom but I also feel that there are ways to go about this without mortgaging picks and prospects while also reshaping the roster.
- J35Bacher

I also heard at the trade deadline that LA was interested in Konecny. I would certainly do that trade tomorrow if it's real! I don't want Johnny Hockey though. He may get you to the playoffs, but he's a shrinking violet when things get tougher come playoff time. He was eaten alive by the Oil's top line in that just completed series and he looked very timid the last several games of that series.

NO ONE on the current Flyers team drives play with elite level talent and please oh please don't insinuate that Jakey is elite in any way cause he's not. And thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

I personally prefer Cam over Jake. Jake is a great player, but I just respect Cam's compete level and style of play over Jake's. Also, Jake had been here for 10-years and it was just time for a change in this lineup.

I personally prefer Cam over Jake. Jake is a great player, but I just respect Cam's compete level and style of play over Jake's. Also, Jake had been here for 10-years and it was just time for a change in this lineup.
- dramado

I wonder if peoples perception changes on Jake if he is making say 6.5 million compared to 8.

That was one contract that seemed to be an overpay as he was coming off a career year and doubled his salary i believe.

I wonder if peoples perception changes on Jake if he is making say 6.5 million compared to 8.

That was one contract that seemed to be an overpay as he was coming off a career year and doubled his salary i believe.
- J35Bacher

Voracek was a top scorer in the league, second in assists and seemed to be on the verge of NHL stardom. The contract was market value.

So thinking about the flyers would you sign Gaudreau if he really wants to come to Philly? I feel like this could be kind of like Panarin wanting to go to NY. I think you can rebuild this while also aquring players that can help you move through the rebuild or retool or whatever word we want to use.

I think you can make moves to help your team now and the future. Like Konecny has value, would a team closer to contention move a younger player to get a former all-star? I saw an article the Kings could listen on Durzi, Iafallo and Valardi to get a top line winger? Would Konecny fit there?

I get the doom and gloom but I also feel that there are ways to go about this without mortgaging picks and prospects while also reshaping the roster.
- J35Bacher

Here is my take. Knowing the direction this organization will go yes I look at JG (or similar) as you need some top end talent. If you acquire JG or whoever you then do not move out TK Ivan and the like for younger guys as that is 2 steps forward 2 steps back to me. As you then are wasting JG still productive years. Now if they are moved in hockey deals that bring back guys of similar ilk so be it.

This team can’t do a Saint Ronnie and half ass it again.

Tear it down or win “now”. To me it is one or the other. Me, I tear it down. That is an easy decision.

What would it take to get Byfield from the Kings? Valardi is no longer waiver exempt though not 100%. Does that lower his price?

Voracek was a top scorer in the league, second in assists and seemed to be on the verge of NHL stardom. The contract was market value.
- MJL

Hockey's version of Bobby Abreau. Not a winner.

north dakota he will be playing for , the contract offer is procedural to maintain his contractual rights going forward
- wbroudy

They have his rights for 3 years I believe. If he goes to college the entire duration. do not htink it has anything to do with contract procedure.

The fact they offered him a deal tells me no college. Junior hockey.

Not only not building around them, but trading Schenn for picks who wont contribute for years, and trading for umberger while dishing out those contracts were baffling.
- bradster

smartest guy in the room.

100% agree. Let's see how Risto does on a team with a competent coaching staff. He will never will a top-pairing defenseman, but the good news is he is not being paid as if he is.
- jd250

so av and the staff was not competent? IF that is the case, what does that say about the gm who hired him?