You seem to think that I'm using sv% to make these arguments. I haven't done so a single time.

sv% is heavily influenced by play in front.

I'm using Goals Above Replacement, Standing Points Above Replacement and Wins Above Replacement.

These stats, most so by SPAR, puts all goalies on an equal playing field and doesn't take into consideration the players in front of them. These stats judge them by how they handle low, medium and high danger opportunities.

So no, sv% is mostly irrelevant, here.
- TheSabresTaco

I'd like to see them... ot challenging you here, just curious...do you have them for all G's...could be very, very I interesting.

28 year old goalie on the downside of his career yet Quick.... 36..... is only getting better.. No room for a 28 year old to have better numbers in the next 8 years... Will only get worse
- DirtyDan

good goalies have average numbers on bad teams and decent numbers on good teams

there is a reason when the hawks were winning cups, crawford had really good numbers and when they were just another team, his numbers were closer to middle of the pack

same for quick, price, bobrovsky, etc, etc, etc

I remember one of Miller's last years as a sabre, his numbers were worse overall but he was playing much better on really bad teams then say the year before or after he won the vezina

These stats, most so by SPAR, puts all goalies on an equal playing field and doesn't take into consideration the players in front of them. These stats judge them by how they handle low, medium and high danger opportunities.

So no, sv% is mostly irrelevant, here.
- TheSabresTaco

Would these opportunities not be determined by who is in front of them?

good goalies have average numbers on bad teams and decent numbers on good teams

there is a reason when the hawks were winning cups, crawford had really good numbers and when they were just another team, his numbers were closer to middle of the pack

same for quick, price, bobrovsky, etc, etc, etc

I remember one of Miller's last years as a sabre, his numbers were worse overall but he was playing much better on really bad teams then say the year before or after he won the vezina
- homiedclown

As for Miller, was he playing better or did he have to look better? With the wild stick saves and glove saves... Those don't happen as much when you have a solid team in front of you. He probably also had all the confidence in the world post-vezina/Olympic run.

Gibson solid numbers on solid teams... Average on bad teams... Seems about right there Homie

different era

84-85 league leaders in GAA



1. Tom Barrasso • BUF 2.67
2. Pat Riggin • WSH 2.98
3. Pelle Lindbergh • PHI 3.02
4. Steve Penney • MTL 3.09
5. Bob Sauve • BUF 3.23
6. Warren Skorodenski • CBH 3.23
7. Rick Wamsley • STL 3.27
8. Doug Keans • BOS 3.29
9. Andy Moog • EDM 3.30
10. Mario Gosselin • QUE 3.31


84-85 league leaders in save percentage


1. Warren Skorodenski • CBH .903
2. Pelle Lindbergh • PHI .899
3. Andy Moog • EDM .895
4. Reggie Lemelin • CGY .888
5. Mike Liut • 2TM .888
6. Tom Barrasso • BUF .887
7. Pat Riggin • WSH .886
8. Kelly Hrudey • NYI .886
9. Rick Wamsley • STL .885
10. Grant Fuhr* • EDM .885
- homiedclown

yeah my comment about barrasso was more about his time spent in BUFFALO

What is the 2nd most likely contract?
- IonSabres

2 years at $4M per, but it's much lower in percent predicted compared to the 4 year deal (14% vs. 47%, which is large disparity on their site).

Weird how both Miller and Gibson's #'s decreased post 18-19 when there team in front of them were literal poop

yeah my comment about barrasso was more about his time spent in BUFFALO
- SabresFaninIndiana

he was IMO the scape goat for some bad moves bowman made

5 1/2 years as a sabre

5 years in top 7 for shutouts
4 years in top 8 for wins
3 years in top 6 for save percentage
2 years in top 2 for gaa

he was pretty arrogant off the ice, esp on the golf course

Weird how both Miller and Gibson's #'s decreased post 18-19 when there team in front of them were literal poop
- DirtyDan

imagine that

You can't put using a Fantasy Hockey draft aside for the basis of your opinion, it is disingenuous at best.

Shut your mouth until you compare Vasi and Gibson stars for several years while both teams were good.
Of course having a stud defense in front of Vasi does help him at all right.

Nice Troll Job, it is all that you do though
- IonSabres

Common sense bee'och....

About to be a 3 peat goalie that's "on his own universe" vs. A guy 🌮's trading portillo for.

Take the L , like your former president and stop being such a crybaby about it.

You 3 years ago posted comparable stats between the 2 goalies.

I told you vaslevsky was way better. You were wrong....

Come on midget hands, post the friggin numbers by season...don't forget to adjust for age & games played for accuracy
'15-'16 Gibson
'16-'17 both
'17-'18 both
'18-'19 Vasi

Hint: go to Hockey-Reference.com not MyFriendsJiltedDaughtersFantasyRankings.com.
- IonSabres

I can palm a basketball for the record.

Your drunk ass wants to keep pretending gibson and vaslevsky are interchangeable.

Denial, similar to still wearing your red hat.

"They should hang all the people that entered Congress "

How about the guy that is proven to brain wash them

This site is free though. If you go through the effort to search for a conclusion, you will see that Gibson has been below decent.

https://www.naturalstattr...m/playerteams.php?stdoi=g
- TheSabresTaco

Attention Tampaion

Open your ears as much as you open your mouth for lightning cocks......

Common sense bee'och....

About to be a 3 peat goalie that's "on his own universe" vs. A guy 🌮's trading portillo for.

Take the L , like your former president and stop being such a crybaby about it.

You 3 years ago posted comparable stats between the 2 goalies.

I told you vaslevsky was way better. You were wrong....
- Boss34

3 years ago would have been in spring 2019

2016/17
gibson was 7th in save percentage and 7th in GAA
Dell was first in GAA as a side note
vasilevski was 28th in GAA and 22nd in save percentage
https://www.quanthockey.c...17-nhl-goalies-stats.html

17-18
gibson 12th in GAA and 8th in save percentage
vasilevski was 22nd in GAA and 16th in save percentage
https://www.quanthockey.c...18-nhl-goalies-stats.html

18-19
gibson was 32 in GAA and 18th in save percentage
vasilevski was 9th in GAA and 6th in save percentage
https://www.quanthockey.c...19-nhl-goalies-stats.html

so for the 3 year window before this pissing contest started
gibson was on average 17th in GAA and 10th in save percentage
vasilevski was on average for those three years 20th in gaa and 15th in GAA

time for this pissing contest to die on the hill, call it a draw and leave it alone

3 years ago would have been in spring 2019

2016/17
gibson was 7th in save percentage and 7th in GAA
Dell was first in GAA as a side note
vasilevski was 28th in GAA and 22nd in save percentage
https://www.quanthockey.c...17-nhl-goalies-stats.html

17-18
gibson 12th in GAA and 8th in save percentage
vasilevski was 22nd in GAA and 16th in save percentage
https://www.quanthockey.c...18-nhl-goalies-stats.html

18-19
gibson was 32 in GAA and 18th in save percentage
vasilevski was 9th in GAA and 6th in save percentage
https://www.quanthockey.c...19-nhl-goalies-stats.html

so for the 3 year window before this pissing contest started
gibson was on average 17th in GAA and 10th in save percentage
vasilevski was on average for those three years 20th in gaa and 15th in GAA

time for this pissing contest to die on the hill, call it a draw and leave it alone
- homiedclown

How is the pissing contest a draw.

Tamponion - states that Gibson and vaslevsky are a similiar status around the nhl.

I tell him , dude your drunk, vaslevsky is way better.

He posts more similarities statistically

I state vaslevsky and gibson aren't close in talent.

Check out any nhl rankings or even fantasy ratings, for him to stop talking loud with his small red hat.

Anyone comparing gibson and vaslevsky? Anymore?
😀😀😀😀😀

Of course not, tamponion was being loud and drunk.
And wrong.

Would these opportunities not be determined by who is in front of them?
- DirtyDan

Do you like quantified answers...not perfect by any means, but far more descriptive....27 xGSA, --4xWAR etc
Or, do you like qualified, general discriptors as answers...good, decent, great, ok, bad, etc.

How is the pissing contest a draw.

Tamponion - states that Gibson and vaslevsky are a similiar status around the nhl.

I tell him , dude your drunk, vaslevsky is way better.

He posts more similarities statistically

I state vaslevsky and gibson aren't close in talent.

Check out any nhl rankings or even fantasy ratings, for him to stop talking loud with his small red hat.

Anyone comparing gibson and vaslevsky? Anymore?
😀😀😀😀😀

Of course not, tamponion was being loud and drunk.
And wrong.
- Boss34

you said the pissing contest was 3 years ago

I posted the stats for both goalies for the 3 years up til the those comparisons were made some 3 years ago, by you and him

they were close then

they are not close now


at the time it was a valid conversation, and now of course it's not


let it die on the hill

you said the pissing contest was 3 years ago

I posted the stats for both goalies for the 3 years up til the those comparisons were made some 3 years ago, by you and him

they were close then

they are not close now


at the time it was a valid conversation, and now of course it's not


let it die on the hill
- homiedclown

No poop, i appreciate your posting.

He was wrong and continues to act like he was right.

It was laughable at the time, and now it's even more laughable.

Like a stolen election with 0 proof

I state vaslevsky and gibson aren't close in talent.

.
- Boss34

of course they are not close now

they were 3 years ago though, in fact taking the three year average of both goalies from 15-17 to 18-19, and you said this conversation was 3 years ago, gibson had better numbers for that 3 year window and your guy had better numbers in the 18-19 season

No poop, i appreciate your posting.

He was wrong and continues to act like he was right.

It was laughable at the time, and now it's even more laughable.

Like a stolen election with 0 proof
- Boss34

three years ago it was a valid conversation


now it's not


has he said they are similar goalies in the past 24 months, or just that one conversation you remind us of daily, that was made 3 years ago?

Nick Alberga
@thegoldenmuzzy
·
26m
Hearing Ducks G John Gibson is open to being dealt and belief out of Anaheim is he’s informed the club of that.

I can palm a basketball for the record.

Your drunk ass wants to keep pretending gibson and vaslevsky are interchangeable.

Denial, similar to still wearing your red hat.

"They should hang all the people that entered Congress "

How about the guy that is proven to brain wash them
- Boss34

Drivel. We aren't talking 5" kids basketballs numnuts...and 1 hand not two.
Complete and utter BS.
Afraid to be shown up.
Typical, you sound like Biden...don't let the facts prove you wrong, lol.
wussy.

You are a horsepoop poster ...like guys cause the take pictures, hate guys cause they wont sign an autograph, afraid to post numbers that would shut you large mouth with Risto, Girgs cocks in them.

Post 'em or shut the (frank) up.

Nick Alberga
@thegoldenmuzzy
·
26m
Hearing Ducks G John Gibson is open to being dealt and belief out of Anaheim is he’s informed the club of that.
- Stripes77

would you give up pick 28 for him if the ducks ate 2 mil per?

Attention Tampaion

Open your ears as much as you open your mouth for lightning cocks......
- Boss34

Post the numbers for the seasons referenced.
Don't be afraid, it is ok to take your head out of your ass.

God you look so pathetic in theses posts.

would you give up pick 28 for him if the ducks ate 2 mil per?
- homiedclown

Here's part two of that question...

Does Adams get ripped for giving up a first round pick for a goalie if Gibson doesn't work out, ala Tim Murray?

(I wouldn't hate it, btw)

Here's part two of that question...

Does Adams get ripped for giving up a first round pick for a goalie if Gibson doesn't work out, ala Tim Murray?

(I wouldn't hate it, btw)
- Powerslave

Probably. When you trade a valuable asset like a 1st round pick, and yes, a late 1st rounder is still valuable, you had better be right, otherwise, you deserve the criticism you get.